BpnJ - Nice Description of Walking Among the Big Trees ~ RHF
The Few - The Proud - The Brave - The Sequoias !
{ Once There Were Giants ! - That Stood Among Us. }

RHF - IIRC, you spent a bit of time up in the Sierra foothills (maybe
still do ?)

Did you go up to Calaveras Big Trees at all? The South Grove there is
very wild and splendid. A couple of those trees would be a fine place
to hang a really long quiet wire (relevancy to topic ;-) Maybe a
4,000-footer between the Agassiz tree and Old Columbus...you'd hear the
Big Bang with that set-up.

Bruce Jensen

wrote in message
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- Giant Sequoias have unusually thick bark,
which makes them fire resistant...

Resistant isn't quite the same as fireproof now is it. And do you really
think they would chop down the last of the big ones? More sensationalism
from the rabid eco-nazis.

Resistant isn't quite the same as fireproof now is it. And do you really
think they would chop down the last of the big ones? More
sensationalism
from the rabid eco-nazis.

Mike - Sequoia trees really do withstand fires beautifully - it takes a
particularly bad fire to kill one, and most lightning-caused forest
fires that naturally sweep through a grove every 10 to 50 years does
not reach an intensity to do much more than superficially scorch the
big trees. And, as I've already explained, their reproduction cannot
occur without it.

No, they will not chop down any large trees (which is defined, IIRC, as
trees greater than about 60" diameter at breast height) - they are all
protected under the Monument designation. It is the trees between the
big ones that would be taken, mostly firs and sugar pines.

Problem is, a sequoia forest is more than sequoia trees - it is an
elaborate fabric of living things, many of which depend upon each other
for support, biologically, chemically and physically. Just like you
require oxygen to breathe, food with various nutrients to grow and
survive, and mechanical support structures to clothe and house you, so
do the things in the forest require similar and analogous features.
You can argue and name-call if you like, but no living thing survives
without the input and support of dozens, hundreds, thousands of others
both far and near. Sequoia trees may seem so big and sturdy and
durable that they could survive on their own (they certainly can
withstand most fires) - and sometimes, people feel the same about
themselves - but at some point, pulling enough bricks out of the house
will make it fall.

This isn't eco-nazi stuff - it happens every year in places around the
world.

Bruce Jensen

"bpnjensen" wrote in message
ups.com...
Resistant isn't quite the same as fireproof now is it. And do you really
think they would chop down the last of the big ones? More
sensationalism
from the rabid eco-nazis.

Mike - Sequoia trees really do withstand fires beautifully - it takes a
particularly bad fire to kill one, and most lightning-caused forest
fires that naturally sweep through a grove every 10 to 50 years does
not reach an intensity to do much more than superficially scorch the
big trees. And, as I've already explained, their reproduction cannot
occur without it.

No, they will not chop down any large trees (which is defined, IIRC, as
trees greater than about 60" diameter at breast height) - they are all
protected under the Monument designation. It is the trees between the
big ones that would be taken, mostly firs and sugar pines.

Problem is, a sequoia forest is more than sequoia trees - it is an
elaborate fabric of living things, many of which depend upon each other
for support, biologically, chemically and physically. Just like you
require oxygen to breathe, food with various nutrients to grow and
survive, and mechanical support structures to clothe and house you, so
do the things in the forest require similar and analogous features.
You can argue and name-call if you like, but no living thing survives
without the input and support of dozens, hundreds, thousands of others
both far and near. Sequoia trees may seem so big and sturdy and
durable that they could survive on their own (they certainly can
withstand most fires) - and sometimes, people feel the same about
themselves - but at some point, pulling enough bricks out of the house
will make it fall.

This isn't eco-nazi stuff - it happens every year in places around the
world.

Bruce Jensen

Yes Bruce, but logging a few trees is not going to damage the forest. The
forestery practices of today are much less invasive. We need wood, period.
It has to come from somewhere. Ask the people in California how particulary
bad their fires have been as late.

MnMikew wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
- Giant Sequoias have unusually thick bark,
which makes them fire resistant...
.

And do you really
think they would chop down the last of the big ones? More sensationalism
from the rabid eco-nazis.

Her'e how it's done.. They clearcut everything; mile after mile after
mile
Up steep slopes, down into valleys, rught up to the highways.. where
they leave a strip of trees..

They might leave a tree or two " for reseeding " the area. These just
blow down, lacking the protection of the rest of the forest.


When it rains, the whole thing turns into Mud, crashing into towns at
the base of slopes, clogging streams, polluting reservoirs, washing out
highways..

along with the houses of the very people hired to do the clearcutting;
and anyone inside said house.

And who picks up the Bill? The taxpayers.

"Eco Nazis " ?

- You don't know what your talking about..

http://people.eku.edu/ritchisong/clearcut.jpg

wrote in message
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Her'e how it's done.. They clearcut everything; mile after mile after
mile
Up steep slopes, down into valleys, rught up to the highways.. where
they leave a strip of trees..

That isnt used much these days, especially in designated forests. This
probably does happen on Potlatch owned land though they dont leave a few
trees to reseed, the replant millions of new trees.

On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:55:18 -0500, "MnMikew"
wrote:



wrote in message
roups.com...
- Giant Sequoias have unusually thick bark,
which makes them fire resistant...

Resistant isn't quite the same as fireproof now is it. And do you really
think they would chop down the last of the big ones? More sensationalism
from the rabid eco-nazis.

You are a tool.

David wrote:

On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:55:18 -0500, "MnMikew"
wrote:



wrote in message
roups.com...
- Giant Sequoias have unusually thick bark,
which makes them fire resistant...

Resistant isn't quite the same as fireproof now is it. And do you really
think they would chop down the last of the big ones? More sensationalism
from the rabid eco-nazis.

You are a tool.

You are a stem.

On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:04:48 GMT, David wrote:

On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:55:18 -0500, "MnMikew"
wrote:



wrote in message
groups.com...
- Giant Sequoias have unusually thick bark,
which makes them fire resistant...

Resistant isn't quite the same as fireproof now is it. And do you really
think they would chop down the last of the big ones? More sensationalism
from the rabid eco-nazis.

You are a tool.

You are a fool.

"David" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:55:18 -0500, "MnMikew"
wrote:



wrote in message
roups.com...
- Giant Sequoias have unusually thick bark,
which makes them fire resistant...

Resistant isn't quite the same as fireproof now is it. And do you really
think they would chop down the last of the big ones? More sensationalism
from the rabid eco-nazis.

You are a tool.

and your a fool chicken little.