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www.devilfinder.com Clarion Ledger bush is a hindrance to business
in Mississippi About two years ago,there was an article in the Clarion Ledger about what a hindrance bush is to businesses in Mississippi.I hope all of the Republicans (I am talking real real Republicans and most Republicans here in Mississippi are real Republicans,not so-called republicans) in Mississippi are nowdays distancing themselves from bush and cheney. The other day,cheney came out of that hole in the ground and kissing up for bush.It isn't working,cheney,and you might as well know that Right Now! cuhulin |
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From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:33:00 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:48:41 GMT, Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? On Thursday, President Bush claimed that: "Nearly 100,000 fully trained and equipped Iraqi soldiers, police officers, and other security personnel are working today." *- President Bush, Press Conference, Sept. 23, 2004 However, the Pentagon said last Monday that of these ³nearly 100,000 fully trained and equipped Iraqi soldiers² only about 53,000 Iraqi troops have undergone training. In addition, Reuters reports that of the nearly 90,000 Iraqis currently in the police force, only 8,169 have had the full eight-week academy training. And it will be July 2006 before the administration's new goal of 135,000 fully trained police is met. Greg Did you ever stop to think that there were some trained Iraqi soldiers before the war started? We did not kill them all you know. Do you think that the Pentagon might have meant that we have only trained 53K? Nope. I think Bush is cooking the books. Or else he just screwed up. After all, math is hard work. Greg |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:44:12 -0500, dxAce
wrote: wrote: bush's troubles mount as Republican defections increase. www.globalnewsmatrix.com Defections? Heck, just today I read that the head of the NAACP in Orlando switched to the Republican party. That's progress! Now as soon as the rest of Black America realizes that the Liberal/Democrats really don't have their best interests at heart the better off the rest of us will be. dxAce Michigan USA Amen brother! I think I'm going to head over to the Mexican Resturant and get one of those 32 oz beers. I'll come back and fire up the SP600 and band cruise for awhile. Laugh at some of the outrageous tards on the SW bands like I laugh at them here. Usenet'Hole List --------------------------------- chicken little and his mom!, |
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Al-Qaeda beheaded some Americans.Al-Qaeda does NOT! deserve any mercy at
all! White Phosporus,,, so what! I Say give it to Al-Qaeda again! cuhulin |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:48:32 GMT, Greg wrote:
From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:33:00 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:48:41 GMT, Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? On Thursday, President Bush claimed that: "Nearly 100,000 fully trained and equipped Iraqi soldiers, police officers, and other security personnel are working today." *- President Bush, Press Conference, Sept. 23, 2004 However, the Pentagon said last Monday that of these ³nearly 100,000 fully trained and equipped Iraqi soldiers² only about 53,000 Iraqi troops have undergone training. In addition, Reuters reports that of the nearly 90,000 Iraqis currently in the police force, only 8,169 have had the full eight-week academy training. And it will be July 2006 before the administration's new goal of 135,000 fully trained police is met. Greg Did you ever stop to think that there were some trained Iraqi soldiers before the war started? We did not kill them all you know. Do you think that the Pentagon might have meant that we have only trained 53K? Nope. I think Bush is cooking the books. Or else he just screwed up. After all, math is hard work. Greg Did you try reading about this from more than one source? Me thinks not. Do some more research. You might finally draw a correct conclusion. Then again, being the liberal that you are, it's doubtful. Usenet'Hole List --------------------------------- chicken little and his mom!, |
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From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:37:06 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:26:20 GMT, Greg wrote: From: dxAce Organization: The Listener at the Gates of Dawn Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:17:42 -0500 Subject: the church of bush Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? The Associated Press PANAMA CITY, Panama Nov 7, 2005 President Bush vigorously defended U.S. interrogation practices in the war on terror Monday and lobbied against a congressional drive to outlaw torture. "There's an enemy that lurks and plots and plans and wants to hurt America again," Bush said. "So you bet we will aggressively pursue them but we will do so under the law." He declared, "We do not torture." 'Tard boy liberals such as yourself would rather give the terrorists some milk, cookies and a pat on the head. dxAce Michigan USA Actually, I would prefer to have seen Osama killed or captured and Al Qaeda destroyed in Afghanistan. But, like you, our commander-in-chief has a small attention span. As to operating torture camps - isn't that what we're supposed to be opposed to? Greg Actually, I don't think making people pose naked is torture, Nope, that's just good kids having a little fun, eh? Makes the US really look good. liberal media got the attention of all the bleeding heart liberals. ....and the entire world. It was the only way they had to fight back. They whined about some naked pictures. The media should protect us from the ugly truth? What happened to the Jews at the hands of the Nazis, that was torture. You're starting to sound like a bleeding heart liberal. Torture is what Bush want to legalize. He thinks it would make his job so much easier. He's wrong, as usual. Greg |
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:18:21 GMT, Greg wrote:
From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:37:06 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:26:20 GMT, Greg wrote: From: dxAce Organization: The Listener at the Gates of Dawn Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:17:42 -0500 Subject: the church of bush Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? The Associated Press PANAMA CITY, Panama Nov 7, 2005 President Bush vigorously defended U.S. interrogation practices in the war on terror Monday and lobbied against a congressional drive to outlaw torture. "There's an enemy that lurks and plots and plans and wants to hurt America again," Bush said. "So you bet we will aggressively pursue them but we will do so under the law." He declared, "We do not torture." 'Tard boy liberals such as yourself would rather give the terrorists some milk, cookies and a pat on the head. dxAce Michigan USA Actually, I would prefer to have seen Osama killed or captured and Al Qaeda destroyed in Afghanistan. But, like you, our commander-in-chief has a small attention span. As to operating torture camps - isn't that what we're supposed to be opposed to? Greg Actually, I don't think making people pose naked is torture, Nope, that's just good kids having a little fun, eh? Makes the US really look good. liberal media got the attention of all the bleeding heart liberals. ...and the entire world. It was the only way they had to fight back. They whined about some naked pictures. The media should protect us from the ugly truth? What happened to the Jews at the hands of the Nazis, that was torture. You're starting to sound like a bleeding heart liberal. Torture is what Bush want to legalize. He thinks it would make his job so much easier. He's wrong, as usual. Greg Do you actually think before you post? Usenet'Hole List --------------------------------- chicken little and his mom!, |
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There are some blacks here in Mississippi whom have switched from
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From: dxAce Organization: The Listener at the Gates of Dawn Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:35:56 -0500 Subject: the church of bush Beerbarrel wrote: On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:17:13 GMT, Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:00 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Greg Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt! The subject is Bush's lies. Try to keep up. Greg Why don't you just answer the question instead of avoiding it? Because the Liberal 'tards are fixated on WMD's. I know a fellow here who manages to bring up WMD's in every other sentence. It reminds me of a one time friend with whom it became impossible to carry on a conversation with because every other sentence that came out of his mouth had to do with Y2K and the gloom and doom that was to follow. dxAce Michigan USA That's the longest post I've ever seen from you Drakeman! I 'm really not fixated on WMD's. But Clifto asked for examples of lies from Bush & company and that's one of the most obvious, and arguably, most significant. Not that "Saddam has WMD's", honest men still debate what his WMD capability was. It's the: "there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." (Cheney) There was doubt, of course, in the intelligence community. That's the part that Bush & company didn't share with Congress, or the public. Greg |
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As A Bad Manager Some of y'all might remember I told y'all about that almost a year ago. bush is NOT a Republican,he is a liberal. cuhulin |
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From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:45:30 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:39:33 -0500, dxAce wrote: Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:28:30 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:17:13 GMT, Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:00 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Greg Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt! The subject is Bush's lies. Try to keep up. Greg Why don't you just answer the question instead of avoiding it? Are you drunk? Another 'Classic' 'tard boy response. LMAO dxAce Michigan USA I love these guys that just post links to some obscure news story. Do they actually have the ability to think critically for themselves. Barnard, Mike, Greg, David, and others they are all cut from the same mold I think. They remind me of a big turd swirling down the toilet. Do you think they make up this stuff as they are swirling side by side on the way down? Beerbelly, you're not funny and you're not too bright. What else have you got? Greg |
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John Barnard wrote:
clifto wrote: Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? Here goes: In August 2002, Cheney insisted: "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." In a March 2003 address to the nation, Bush said: "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised." In April 2003, Fleischer claimed: "But make no mistake--as I said earlier--we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about." In February 2003, Powell said: "We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more." On July 21, 2003, Bill Clinton said on the Larry King Show, "People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons." Same day, same show, same Clinton, actually defending Bush: "You know, everybody makes mistakes when they are president. I mean, you can't make as many calls as you have to make without messing up once in a while." I don't believe that Hussein was able to go on a WMD after the Powell/Rice statements and managed to obtain a huge aresenal between then and 2003. Even if I were to take your Powell quotes, and disregard that he's a flaming Bush-bashing liberal, your Powell quotes are a good sample in that they show how often Powell contradicts himself. In any event, I trump your flaming liberal Powell with a flaming liberal Clinton. And even if all your quotes and materials were 100% true and factual, we still don't have a lie, only bad intelligence relayed to the public. So keep on chanting about how Bush lied. Just don't do it around thinking people or people who are affected by reality or facts. -- If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination, my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin. |
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From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:19:42 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 00:18:21 GMT, Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:37:06 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:26:20 GMT, Greg wrote: From: dxAce Organization: The Listener at the Gates of Dawn Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:17:42 -0500 Subject: the church of bush Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? The Associated Press PANAMA CITY, Panama Nov 7, 2005 President Bush vigorously defended U.S. interrogation practices in the war on terror Monday and lobbied against a congressional drive to outlaw torture. "There's an enemy that lurks and plots and plans and wants to hurt America again," Bush said. "So you bet we will aggressively pursue them but we will do so under the law." He declared, "We do not torture." 'Tard boy liberals such as yourself would rather give the terrorists some milk, cookies and a pat on the head. dxAce Michigan USA Actually, I would prefer to have seen Osama killed or captured and Al Qaeda destroyed in Afghanistan. But, like you, our commander-in-chief has a small attention span. As to operating torture camps - isn't that what we're supposed to be opposed to? Greg Actually, I don't think making people pose naked is torture, Nope, that's just good kids having a little fun, eh? Makes the US really look good. liberal media got the attention of all the bleeding heart liberals. ...and the entire world. It was the only way they had to fight back. They whined about some naked pictures. The media should protect us from the ugly truth? What happened to the Jews at the hands of the Nazis, that was torture. You're starting to sound like a bleeding heart liberal. Torture is what Bush want to legalize. He thinks it would make his job so much easier. He's wrong, as usual. Greg Do you actually think before you post? Confused? Go have that beer now. Everything will be okay. Greg |
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From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:39:21 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:36:17 GMT, Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:28:30 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:17:13 GMT, Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:00 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Greg Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt! The subject is Bush's lies. Try to keep up. Greg Why don't you just answer the question instead of avoiding it? Are you drunk? Greg I guess I made my point with you. You have no answer. The answer: It doesn't. See my other posts. Greg |
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Local Soldier makes big find in Iraq. www.wnep.com Sergeant
Brian Packer of the Pennsylvania National Guard's 109th Mechanized Infantry (he is probally one of those guys whom trained at Camp Shelby near Hattiesburg,Mississippi before they shipped out to Iraq a few months ago.Hey,I have to get my dig in there too,ya know) found a big cache of weapons in Iraq.Good on yer,Sergeant Brian Packer. cuhulin |
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clifto wrote:
Same day, same show, same Clinton, actually defending Bush: "You know, everybody makes mistakes when they are president. I mean, you can't make as many calls as you have to make without messing up once in a while." Yeah, I guess 2000+ American kids dead, 19,000 American kids mutilated and tens of thousands of dead innocent civilians is just a little "once in a while mess up". Shame on us for being so critical of Bunnypants' lies. |
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Greg wrote:
Keep dreamin' Drakeman. Does the Drake Company know that their name is being asociated with such a paragon of public relations for the hobby? |
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clifto wrote: John Barnard wrote: clifto wrote: Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? Here goes: In August 2002, Cheney insisted: "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." In a March 2003 address to the nation, Bush said: "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised." In April 2003, Fleischer claimed: "But make no mistake--as I said earlier--we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about." In February 2003, Powell said: "We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more." On July 21, 2003, Bill Clinton said on the Larry King Show, "People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons." Same day, same show, same Clinton, actually defending Bush: "You know, everybody makes mistakes when they are president. I mean, you can't make as many calls as you have to make without messing up once in a while." I don't believe that Hussein was able to go on a WMD after the Powell/Rice statements and managed to obtain a huge aresenal between then and 2003. Even if I were to take your Powell quotes, and disregard that he's a flaming Bush-bashing liberal, your Powell quotes are a good sample in that they show how often Powell contradicts himself. In any event, I trump your flaming liberal Powell with a flaming liberal Clinton. Take a look where Rice says that Iraq and WMDs weren't an issue. Does that make Rice a "flaming liberal" as well? Does anyone that disagrees with the Chimp-in-Chief make them a "flaming liberal" in your eyes? No way in hell is Powell a "flaming liberal". You might want to check out the part where Tenet told Powell a load of bull**** with regards to the WMD issue and that caused a large rift between the two. Powell, much to his credit, was intelligent to leave the current ship of fools. And even if all your quotes and materials were 100% true and factual, we still don't have a lie, only bad intelligence relayed to the public. Sorry to bring reality to your attention but Bush took the intel available and treated it as a menu. In other words, he cherry-picked the intel. If this were a sports match it would be akin to fixing the outcome and he would have been turfed a long time ago. Too bad that the Chimp-in-Chief didn't inherit Bush, Sr's intelligence who appears to have a greater insight into the folly of trying to remove Saddam (Time, 2 March 1998). So keep on chanting about how Bush lied. Just don't do it around thinking people or people who are affected by reality or facts. So when would you like me to begin reinforcing that the Chimp-in-chief lied through his teeth around you? If you believe that Powell is a "flaming liberal" then you aren't thinking at all! You name wouldn't happen to be Clifto Clavin, would it? -- If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination, my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin. JB |
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Beerbarrel wrote: On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Greg Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt! Usenet'Hole List --------------------------------- chicken little and his mom!, It wasn't the other reasons that the Chimp-in-Chief used as the premise to invading Iraq. The US can't claim the Human Rights card as it didn't do much to curb those crimes while they were happening. It isn't the 9/11 terrorist angle as Powell was saying that he didn't see any evidence of a connection (20/20 interview, 9 Sept. 2005). One of Ahmed Chalabi's (remember him?) associates gave unreliable evidence as to the an Iraq-Al Qaeda connection but it was never corroborated by NSA, CIA or FBI. You may also want to take a look at the Downing Street memo which states "...Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy..." The British gov't doesn't dispute the authenticity of the memo. The Chimp pulled a cruel one on you. JB |
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dxAce wrote: Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:45:30 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:39:33 -0500, dxAce wrote: Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:28:30 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:17:13 GMT, Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:00 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Greg Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt! The subject is Bush's lies. Try to keep up. Greg Why don't you just answer the question instead of avoiding it? Are you drunk? Another 'Classic' 'tard boy response. LMAO dxAce Michigan USA I love these guys that just post links to some obscure news story. Do they actually have the ability to think critically for themselves. Barnard, Mike, Greg, David, and others they are all cut from the same mold I think. They remind me of a big turd swirling down the toilet. Do you think they make up this stuff as they are swirling side by side on the way down? Beerbelly, you're not funny and you're not too bright. What else have you got? He's far brighter than you, dimbulb. Are you a Canuck? Are you related to any Canucks? Have you ever dated any Canucks? dxAce Michigan USA You and Tracy seem to be suffering the symptoms of trauma. No wonder you two are so much alike! JB |
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dxAce wrote: Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Yep and even though uncertain one has to make a decision. Had President Bush not made the decision that he did, and Hussein did use WMD's then you stupid Liberals would be bitching about that and asking why nothing was done. You argument is specious. How could Hussein use that which he did not have? Bush cherry picked the intel and rigged the game. Powell, intel experts and American generals all agree that the WMD premise was a non-issue. Even Rice in 2001 wasn't worried about Saddam and WMDs. There's no pleasing you Kool-Aid drinkers. The truth is pleasing; it's a shame that you chose to ignore it! dxAce Michigan USA Enjoy your grape Kool-Aid. JB |
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Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:37:06 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:26:20 GMT, Greg wrote: From: dxAce Organization: The Listener at the Gates of Dawn Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:17:42 -0500 Subject: the church of bush Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? The Associated Press PANAMA CITY, Panama Nov 7, 2005 President Bush vigorously defended U.S. interrogation practices in the war on terror Monday and lobbied against a congressional drive to outlaw torture. "There's an enemy that lurks and plots and plans and wants to hurt America again," Bush said. "So you bet we will aggressively pursue them but we will do so under the law." He declared, "We do not torture." 'Tard boy liberals such as yourself would rather give the terrorists some milk, cookies and a pat on the head. dxAce Michigan USA Actually, I would prefer to have seen Osama killed or captured and Al Qaeda destroyed in Afghanistan. But, like you, our commander-in-chief has a small attention span. As to operating torture camps - isn't that what we're supposed to be opposed to? Greg Actually, I don't think making people pose naked is torture, Nope, that's just good kids having a little fun, eh? Makes the US really look good. liberal media got the attention of all the bleeding heart liberals. ...and the entire world. It was the only way they had to fight back. They whined about some naked pictures. The media should protect us from the ugly truth? What happened to the Jews at the hands of the Nazis, that was torture. You're starting to sound like a bleeding heart liberal. Torture is what Bush want to legalize. He thinks it would make his job so much easier. He's wrong, as usual. Greg The Chimp-in-Chief also thinks that being a dictator would make his job easier. JB |
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 06:18:25 GMT, John Barnard wrote:
dxAce wrote: Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:45:30 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:39:33 -0500, dxAce wrote: Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:28:30 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:17:13 GMT, Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:00 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Greg Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt! The subject is Bush's lies. Try to keep up. Greg Why don't you just answer the question instead of avoiding it? Are you drunk? Another 'Classic' 'tard boy response. LMAO dxAce Michigan USA I love these guys that just post links to some obscure news story. Do they actually have the ability to think critically for themselves. Barnard, Mike, Greg, David, and others they are all cut from the same mold I think. They remind me of a big turd swirling down the toilet. Do you think they make up this stuff as they are swirling side by side on the way down? Beerbelly, you're not funny and you're not too bright. What else have you got? He's far brighter than you, dimbulb. Are you a Canuck? Are you related to any Canucks? Have you ever dated any Canucks? dxAce Michigan USA You and Tracy seem to be suffering the symptoms of trauma. No wonder you two are so much alike! JB Yep! We can think...you can't! Usenet'Hole List --------------------------------- chicken little and his mom!, |
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Greg wrote: From: dxAce Organization: The Listener at the Gates of Dawn Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:07:58 -0500 Subject: the church of bush Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:45:30 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:39:33 -0500, dxAce wrote: Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:28:30 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:17:13 GMT, Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:00 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Greg Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt! The subject is Bush's lies. Try to keep up. Greg Why don't you just answer the question instead of avoiding it? Are you drunk? Another 'Classic' 'tard boy response. LMAO dxAce Michigan USA I love these guys that just post links to some obscure news story. Do they actually have the ability to think critically for themselves. Barnard, Mike, Greg, David, and others they are all cut from the same mold I think. They remind me of a big turd swirling down the toilet. Do you think they make up this stuff as they are swirling side by side on the way down? Beerbelly, you're not funny and you're not too bright. What else have you got? He's far brighter than you, dimbulb. Cuhulin is brighter than you. Are you a Canuck? Are you related to any Canucks? Have you ever dated any Canucks? Hurts to have that phobia, doesn't it? I guess calling people names on the newsgroups make you feel better. Beats being a 'tard boy liberal any day! Run along and work on those listening skills, boy. dxAce Michigan USA |
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Carter-K8VT wrote: clifto wrote: Same day, same show, same Clinton, actually defending Bush: "You know, everybody makes mistakes when they are president. I mean, you can't make as many calls as you have to make without messing up once in a while." Yeah, I guess 2000+ American kids dead, 19,000 American kids mutilated and tens of thousands of dead innocent civilians is just a little "once in a while mess up". Shame on us for being so critical of Bunnypants' lies. LMAO at the 'tard who accused me of insurance fraud. dxAce Michigan USA |
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John Barnard wrote: dxAce wrote: Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:45:30 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:39:33 -0500, dxAce wrote: Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:28:30 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:17:13 GMT, Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:00 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Greg Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt! The subject is Bush's lies. Try to keep up. Greg Why don't you just answer the question instead of avoiding it? Are you drunk? Another 'Classic' 'tard boy response. LMAO dxAce Michigan USA I love these guys that just post links to some obscure news story. Do they actually have the ability to think critically for themselves. Barnard, Mike, Greg, David, and others they are all cut from the same mold I think. They remind me of a big turd swirling down the toilet. Do you think they make up this stuff as they are swirling side by side on the way down? Beerbelly, you're not funny and you're not too bright. What else have you got? He's far brighter than you, dimbulb. Are you a Canuck? Are you related to any Canucks? Have you ever dated any Canucks? dxAce Michigan USA You and Tracy seem to be suffering the symptoms of trauma. Thanks for the diagnosis, Dr. CanaDork. dxAce Michigan USA |
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From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 05:00:09 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 06:18:25 GMT, John Barnard wrote: dxAce wrote: Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:45:30 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:39:33 -0500, dxAce wrote: Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:28:30 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:17:13 GMT, Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:00 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Greg Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt! The subject is Bush's lies. Try to keep up. Greg Why don't you just answer the question instead of avoiding it? Are you drunk? Another 'Classic' 'tard boy response. LMAO dxAce Michigan USA I love these guys that just post links to some obscure news story. Do they actually have the ability to think critically for themselves. Barnard, Mike, Greg, David, and others they are all cut from the same mold I think. They remind me of a big turd swirling down the toilet. Do you think they make up this stuff as they are swirling side by side on the way down? Beerbelly, you're not funny and you're not too bright. What else have you got? He's far brighter than you, dimbulb. Are you a Canuck? Are you related to any Canucks? Have you ever dated any Canucks? dxAce Michigan USA You and Tracy seem to be suffering the symptoms of trauma. No wonder you two are so much alike! JB Yep! We can think...you can't! Boring stuff. Have another beer. Greg |
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From: dxAce Organization: The Listener at the Gates of Dawn Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:20:47 -0500 Subject: the church of bush Greg wrote: From: dxAce Organization: The Listener at the Gates of Dawn Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:07:58 -0500 Subject: the church of bush Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:45:30 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:39:33 -0500, dxAce wrote: Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:28:30 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:17:13 GMT, Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:00 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Greg Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt! The subject is Bush's lies. Try to keep up. Greg Why don't you just answer the question instead of avoiding it? Are you drunk? Another 'Classic' 'tard boy response. LMAO dxAce Michigan USA I love these guys that just post links to some obscure news story. Do they actually have the ability to think critically for themselves. Barnard, Mike, Greg, David, and others they are all cut from the same mold I think. They remind me of a big turd swirling down the toilet. Do you think they make up this stuff as they are swirling side by side on the way down? Beerbelly, you're not funny and you're not too bright. What else have you got? He's far brighter than you, dimbulb. Cuhulin is brighter than you. Are you a Canuck? Are you related to any Canucks? Have you ever dated any Canucks? Hurts to have that phobia, doesn't it? I guess calling people names on the newsgroups make you feel better. Beats being a 'tard boy liberal any day! Run along and work on those listening skills, boy. dxAce Michigan USA "Another 'Classic' 'tard boy response." Greg |
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From: (John S. Dyson) Organization: IQuest Internet, LLC Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:10:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: the church of bush ...and now the lefties are much more doctorinaire and narrow minded than all but the most far right nazi wakko... John John Would that be you John john? Greg |
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From: dxAce Organization: The Listener at the Gates of Dawn Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 07:20:47 -0500 Subject: the church of bush Greg wrote: From: dxAce Organization: The Listener at the Gates of Dawn Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:07:58 -0500 Subject: the church of bush Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:45:30 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:39:33 -0500, dxAce wrote: Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:28:30 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:17:13 GMT, Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:00 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Greg Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt! The subject is Bush's lies. Try to keep up. Greg Why don't you just answer the question instead of avoiding it? Are you drunk? Another 'Classic' 'tard boy response. LMAO dxAce Michigan USA I love these guys that just post links to some obscure news story. Do they actually have the ability to think critically for themselves. Barnard, Mike, Greg, David, and others they are all cut from the same mold I think. They remind me of a big turd swirling down the toilet. Do you think they make up this stuff as they are swirling side by side on the way down? Beerbelly, you're not funny and you're not too bright. What else have you got? He's far brighter than you, dimbulb. Cuhulin is brighter than you. Are you a Canuck? Are you related to any Canucks? Have you ever dated any Canucks? Hurts to have that phobia, doesn't it? I guess calling people names on the newsgroups make you feel better. Beats being a 'tard boy liberal any day! Run along and work on those listening skills, boy. dxAce Michigan USA Boy? Greg |
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Haw Haw Haw!,,, too funny.
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Greg wrote:
From: clifto Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Uh huh. And here he is, years after the fact, to contradict virtually every person who's held office in the USA since 1996. It's certain Zinni is a liberal because (1) he's bashing Cheney and (2) he claims to know more about running things than everyone else. If that's the best you have, give up now, avoid the holiday rush. -- If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination, my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin. |
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Greg wrote:
'm really not fixated on WMD's. But Clifto asked for examples of lies from Bush & company and that's one of the most obvious, and arguably, most significant. Not that "Saddam has WMD's", honest men still debate what his WMD capability was. It's the: "there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." (Cheney) "it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted-for stocks of biological and chemical weapons." (Clinton) "predators of the twenty-first century... will be all the more lethal if we allow them to build arsenals of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons and missiles to deliver them... There is no more clear example of this threat than Saddam Hussein's Iraq." (Clinton) "Look, we have exhausted virtually all our diplomatic effort to get the Iraqis to comply with their own agreements and with international law. Given that, what other option is there but to force them to do so?" (Daschle) There was doubt, of course, in the intelligence community. There was no doubt in the CIA. But that's because the CIA wasn't allowed to do intelligence work for years, due to Clinton presidential directives. And the head of the CIA was a Clinton hangover. That's the part that Bush & company and Clinton and company didn't share with Congress, or the public. -- If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination, my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin. |
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John Barnard wrote:
It's a bad sign when Buchanan and GF Will start to criticize a Republican administration. Not really. Just a strong indicator of the fact that the conservative movement is alive and stronger than ever. -- If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination, my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin. |
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Greg wrote:
He declared, "We do not torture." We don't. Putting underwear on someone's head does not constitute torture. -- If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination, my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin. |
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Greg wrote:
You're starting to sound like a bleeding heart liberal. You're one to talk, making a statement like Torture is what Bush want to legalize. I want you to remember forever that you said that in public where everyone could see. -- If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination, my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin. |
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From: clifto
Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:19:49 -0600 Subject: the church of bush Greg wrote: From: clifto Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Uh huh. And here he is, years after the fact, to contradict virtually every person who's held office in the USA since 1996. well, he contradicted Cheney at the time of Cheney's remarks, though not publically. It's certain Zinni is a liberal because (1) he's bashing Cheney and (2) he claims to know more about running things than everyone else. Cheney has an approval rating of something like 12%. Isn't it's gratifying to think that 88% of Americans are liberals! If that's the best you have, give up now, avoid the holiday rush. It's not just General Zinni, there are a lot of military people in the Pentagon who are at odds with the way your politicians are pursuing the war. And he wasn't really bashing Cheney, just expressing his astonishment at what Cheney was saying. But you're a lot smarter than General Zinni, aren't you? (And I wouldn't waste my best on you cliffy.) -- If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination, my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin. Not surprising. Nor clever. Nor funny. Greg |
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