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Methodist Bishops Repent Iraq War 'Complicity' by K. J. Smith, 11/11/05 WASHINGTON -- Ninety-five bishops from President Bush's church said Thursday they repent their "complicity" in the "unjust and immoral" invasion and occupation of Iraq. "In the face of the United States administration's rush toward military action based on misleading information, too many of us were silent," said a statement of conscience signed by more than half of the 164 retired and active United Methodist bishops worldwide. President Bush is a member of the United Methodist Church, according to various published biographies. The White House did not return a request for comment on the bishops' statement. Although United Methodist leadership has opposed the Iraq war in the past, this is the first time that individual bishops have confessed to a personal failure to publicly challenge the buildup to the war. The signatures were also an instrument for retired bishops to make their views known, said bishop Joseph H. Yeakel, who served in the Baltimore-Washington area from 1984 to 1996. The current bishop for the Baltimore-Washington area, John R. Schol, also signed the statement. The statement avoids making accusations, said retired Bishop Kenneth L. Carder, instructor at Duke University's divinity school and an author of the document. "We would have made the statement regardless of who the president was. It was not meant to be either partisan or to single out any one person," Carder said. "It was the recognition that we are all part of the decision and we are all part of a democratic society. We all bear responsibility." Stith, who spent more than three years after his retirement working in East Africa -- including with Rwandan refugees -- said going to war over the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks did not solve the real problems behind them. The real issues are that much of the world lives in poverty, desperation and depression, he said, while an affluent minority of the world often oppresses them. Americans need to take responsibility for their world, Stith said. "To ignore things and to assume that persons in the government have all knowledge is to reject our franchise and our democracy," Stith said. About six weeks ago, Carder discussed the idea of a public statement with other colleagues who "had concerns" about the war, and the idea just grew, Carder said. Last week, the statement circulated during a biannual meeting of the Council of Bishops, "and before the week was out, we had 95 bishops," Carder said. In their statement, the bishops pledged to pray daily for the end of the war, for its American and Iraqi victims and for American leaders to find "truth, humility and policies of peace through justice." "We confess our preoccupation with institutional enhancement and limited agendas while American men and women are sent to Iraq to kill and be killed, while thousands of Iraqi people needlessly suffer and die, while poverty increases and preventable diseases go untreated," the statement said. Some bishops declined to sign their names, although they supported the statement, Carder said. This week's statement follows years of public opposition to the Iraq war by the church. In May 2004, the Council of Bishops passed a resolution that "lamented the continued warfare" and asked the U.S. government to seek international help to rebuild Iraq. The church's women's division called for an end to the war in 2002. And in 2001, the church's head of social policy, Jim Winkler, said the push for war was "without any justification according to the teachings of Christ," according to a report by The (London) Observer. Public approval of the war has steadily declined since the United States invaded Iraq in March 2003. At the time, seven of 10 Americans said the U.S. did the right thing. By this October, only four of 10 Americans did, according to CBS polls. About 11 million people belong to the United Methodist Church, including 200,000 in the Baltimore-Washington area. Carder and Stith said they hoped their statement would encourage more people to think about peacemaking. "The only solution seems to be to stay the course. But if you're on the wrong course, you don't stay the course," Carder said. "At the heart of the Christian faith is the willingness to acknowledge mistakes." |
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"Oklahoma Joe" wrote in message ... it IS murder... Methodist Bishops Repent Iraq War 'Complicity' by K. J. Smith, 11/11/05 WASHINGTON -- Ninety-five bishops from President Bush's church said Thursday they repent their "complicity" in the "unjust and immoral" invasion and occupation of Iraq. "In the face of the United States administration's rush toward military action based on misleading information, too many of us were silent," said a statement of conscience signed by more than half of the 164 retired and active United Methodist bishops worldwide. President Bush is a member of the United Methodist Church, according to various published biographies. The White House did not return a request for comment on the bishops' statement. Although United Methodist leadership has opposed the Iraq war in the past, this is the first time that individual bishops have confessed to a personal failure to publicly challenge the buildup to the war. The signatures were also an instrument for retired bishops to make their views known, said bishop Joseph H. Yeakel, who served in the Baltimore-Washington area from 1984 to 1996. The current bishop for the Baltimore-Washington area, John R. Schol, also signed the statement. The statement avoids making accusations, said retired Bishop Kenneth L. Carder, instructor at Duke University's divinity school and an author of the document. "We would have made the statement regardless of who the president was. It was not meant to be either partisan or to single out any one person," Carder said. "It was the recognition that we are all part of the decision and we are all part of a democratic society. We all bear responsibility." Stith, who spent more than three years after his retirement working in East Africa -- including with Rwandan refugees -- said going to war over the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks did not solve the real problems behind them. The real issues are that much of the world lives in poverty, desperation and depression, he said, while an affluent minority of the world often oppresses them. Americans need to take responsibility for their world, Stith said. "To ignore things and to assume that persons in the government have all knowledge is to reject our franchise and our democracy," Stith said. About six weeks ago, Carder discussed the idea of a public statement with other colleagues who "had concerns" about the war, and the idea just grew, Carder said. Last week, the statement circulated during a biannual meeting of the Council of Bishops, "and before the week was out, we had 95 bishops," Carder said. In their statement, the bishops pledged to pray daily for the end of the war, for its American and Iraqi victims and for American leaders to find "truth, humility and policies of peace through justice." "We confess our preoccupation with institutional enhancement and limited agendas while American men and women are sent to Iraq to kill and be killed, while thousands of Iraqi people needlessly suffer and die, while poverty increases and preventable diseases go untreated," the statement said. Some bishops declined to sign their names, although they supported the statement, Carder said. This week's statement follows years of public opposition to the Iraq war by the church. In May 2004, the Council of Bishops passed a resolution that "lamented the continued warfare" and asked the U.S. government to seek international help to rebuild Iraq. The church's women's division called for an end to the war in 2002. And in 2001, the church's head of social policy, Jim Winkler, said the push for war was "without any justification according to the teachings of Christ," according to a report by The (London) Observer. Public approval of the war has steadily declined since the United States invaded Iraq in March 2003. At the time, seven of 10 Americans said the U.S. did the right thing. By this October, only four of 10 Americans did, according to CBS polls. About 11 million people belong to the United Methodist Church, including 200,000 in the Baltimore-Washington area. Carder and Stith said they hoped their statement would encourage more people to think about peacemaking. "The only solution seems to be to stay the course. But if you're on the wrong course, you don't stay the course," Carder said. "At the heart of the Christian faith is the willingness to acknowledge mistakes." They should all be sent to Gitmo and tortured until they apologize to Bush and support the war again. |
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:46:14 GMT, Oklahoma Joe wrote:
it IS murder... Methodist Bishops Repent Iraq War 'Complicity' by K. J. Smith, 11/11/05 SNIP Public approval of the war has steadily declined since the United States invaded Iraq in March 2003. At the time, seven of 10 Americans said the U.S. did the right thing. By this October, only four of 10 Americans did, according to CBS polls. About 11 million people belong to the United Methodist Church, including 200,000 in the Baltimore-Washington area. Carder and Stith said they hoped their statement would encourage more people to think about peacemaking. "The only solution seems to be to stay the course. But if you're on the wrong course, you don't stay the course," Carder said. "At the heart of the Christian faith is the willingness to acknowledge mistakes." Bush and his gang will never admit that they made mistakes! Warren |
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Warren wrote: On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:46:14 GMT, Oklahoma Joe wrote: it IS murder... Methodist Bishops Repent Iraq War 'Complicity' by K. J. Smith, 11/11/05 SNIP Public approval of the war has steadily declined since the United States invaded Iraq in March 2003. At the time, seven of 10 Americans said the U.S. did the right thing. By this October, only four of 10 Americans did, according to CBS polls. About 11 million people belong to the United Methodist Church, including 200,000 in the Baltimore-Washington area. Carder and Stith said they hoped their statement would encourage more people to think about peacemaking. "The only solution seems to be to stay the course. But if you're on the wrong course, you don't stay the course," Carder said. "At the heart of the Christian faith is the willingness to acknowledge mistakes." Bush and his gang will never admit that they made mistakes! Mistakes? Hell the other day it was lies. You 'tards trying to alter things yet again? dxAce Michigan USA |
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"Warren" wrote in message ... .." Bush and his gang will never admit that they made mistakes! Warren "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinski." |
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"FDR" wrote in message ... "MnMikew" wrote in message ... "Warren" wrote in message ... ." Bush and his gang will never admit that they made mistakes! Warren "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinski." "We have undisputable proof of WMD in Iraq" There is and we do! BH |
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dxAce wrote: Warren wrote: On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:46:14 GMT, Oklahoma Joe wrote: it IS murder... Methodist Bishops Repent Iraq War 'Complicity' by K. J. Smith, 11/11/05 SNIP Public approval of the war has steadily declined since the United States invaded Iraq in March 2003. At the time, seven of 10 Americans said the U.S. did the right thing. By this October, only four of 10 Americans did, according to CBS polls. About 11 million people belong to the United Methodist Church, including 200,000 in the Baltimore-Washington area. Carder and Stith said they hoped their statement would encourage more people to think about peacemaking. "The only solution seems to be to stay the course. But if you're on the wrong course, you don't stay the course," Carder said. "At the heart of the Christian faith is the willingness to acknowledge mistakes." Bush and his gang will never admit that they made mistakes! Mistakes? Hell the other day it was lies. You 'tards trying to alter things yet again? dxAce Michigan USA The war started with lies and then the Bush Baboons compounded the situation with mistakes. See? That wasn't so difficult to follow! JB |
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John Barnard wrote: dxAce wrote: Warren wrote: On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:46:14 GMT, Oklahoma Joe wrote: it IS murder... Methodist Bishops Repent Iraq War 'Complicity' by K. J. Smith, 11/11/05 SNIP Public approval of the war has steadily declined since the United States invaded Iraq in March 2003. At the time, seven of 10 Americans said the U.S. did the right thing. By this October, only four of 10 Americans did, according to CBS polls. About 11 million people belong to the United Methodist Church, including 200,000 in the Baltimore-Washington area. Carder and Stith said they hoped their statement would encourage more people to think about peacemaking. "The only solution seems to be to stay the course. But if you're on the wrong course, you don't stay the course," Carder said. "At the heart of the Christian faith is the willingness to acknowledge mistakes." Bush and his gang will never admit that they made mistakes! Mistakes? Hell the other day it was lies. You 'tards trying to alter things yet again? dxAce Michigan USA The war started with lies and then the Bush Baboons compounded the situation with mistakes. See? That wasn't so difficult to follow! Stop whining, Dr. CanaDork. dxAce Michigan USA |
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John Barnard wrote:
The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? -- If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination, my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin. |
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dxAce wrote: John Barnard wrote: dxAce wrote: Warren wrote: On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:46:14 GMT, Oklahoma Joe wrote: it IS murder... Methodist Bishops Repent Iraq War 'Complicity' by K. J. Smith, 11/11/05 SNIP Public approval of the war has steadily declined since the United States invaded Iraq in March 2003. At the time, seven of 10 Americans said the U.S. did the right thing. By this October, only four of 10 Americans did, according to CBS polls. About 11 million people belong to the United Methodist Church, including 200,000 in the Baltimore-Washington area. Carder and Stith said they hoped their statement would encourage more people to think about peacemaking. "The only solution seems to be to stay the course. But if you're on the wrong course, you don't stay the course," Carder said. "At the heart of the Christian faith is the willingness to acknowledge mistakes." Bush and his gang will never admit that they made mistakes! Mistakes? Hell the other day it was lies. You 'tards trying to alter things yet again? dxAce Michigan USA The war started with lies and then the Bush Baboons compounded the situation with mistakes. See? That wasn't so difficult to follow! Stop whining, Dr. CanaDork. dxAce Michigan USA You seem to have some comprehension problems doubtless as a consequence of your brains getting rattled around in the accident. You have problems differentiating an explanation from whining and this goes a long way to explaining most of your posts. JB |
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clifto wrote: John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? -- If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination, my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin. Here goes: In August 2002, Cheney insisted: "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction." In a March 2003 address to the nation, Bush said: "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised." In April 2003, Fleischer claimed: "But make no mistake--as I said earlier--we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about." In February 2003, Powell said: "We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more." But on 24 Feb 2001, Powell made the following statement while in Cairo, Egypt: "We had a good discussion, the Foreign Minister and I and the President and I, had a good discussion about the nature of the sanctions -- the fact that the sanctions exist -- not for the purpose of hurting the Iraqi people, but for the purpose of keeping in check Saddam Hussein's ambitions toward developing weapons of mass destruction. We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq..." On 15 May 2001, Powell testified before the Foreign Operations, Export Financing and Related Programs Subcommittee of the Senate Appropriations Committee. Senator Bennett: Mr. Secretary, the U.N. sanctions on Iraq expire the beginning of June. We've had bombs dropped, we've had threats made, we've had all kinds of activity vis-a-vis Iraq in the previous administration. Now we're coming to the end. What's our level of concern about the progress of Saddam Hussein's chemical and biological weapons programs? Secretary Powell: The sanctions, as they are called, have succeeded over the last 10 years, not in deterring him from moving in that direction, but from actually being able to move in that direction. The Iraqi regime militarily remains fairly weak. It doesn't have the capacity it had 10 or 12 years ago. It has been contained. And even though we have no doubt in our mind that the Iraqi regime is pursuing programs to develop weapons of mass destruction -- chemical, biological and nuclear -- I think the best intelligence estimates suggest that they have not been terribly successful. There's no question that they have some stockpiles of some of these sorts of weapons still under their control, but they have not been able to break out, they have not been able to come out with the capacity to deliver these kinds of systems or to actually have these kinds of systems that is much beyond where they were 10 years ago. Condoleeza Rice gets in on the act (29 July 2001, CNN Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer) and her statement seems to support Powell's position: "But in terms of Saddam Hussein being there, let's remember that his country is divided, in effect. He does not control the northern part of his country. We are able to keep arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt." Check out the following links: http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/19/powell.un/ http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...aq.wmd.report/ I don't believe that Hussein was able to go on a WMD after the Powell/Rice statements and managed to obtain a huge aresenal between then and 2003. JB |
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From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Greg |
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Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? On Thursday, President Bush claimed that: "Nearly 100,000 fully trained and equipped Iraqi soldiers, police officers, and other security personnel are working today." *- President Bush, Press Conference, Sept. 23, 2004 However, the Pentagon said last Monday that of these ³nearly 100,000 fully trained and equipped Iraqi soldiers² only about 53,000 Iraqi troops have undergone training. In addition, Reuters reports that of the nearly 90,000 Iraqis currently in the police force, only 8,169 have had the full eight-week academy training. And it will be July 2006 before the administration's new goal of 135,000 fully trained police is met. Greg |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote:
From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Greg Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt! Usenet'Hole List --------------------------------- chicken little and his mom!, |
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Beerbarrel wrote: On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Greg Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt! Limited mental capacity on the part of the 'tard boy Liberals! dxAce Michigan USA |
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Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? The Associated Press PANAMA CITY, Panama*Nov 7, 2005 *President Bush vigorously defended U.S. interrogation practices in the war on terror Monday and lobbied against a congressional drive to outlaw torture. "There's an enemy that lurks and plots and plans and wants to hurt America again," Bush said. "So you bet we will aggressively pursue them but we will do so under the law." He declared, "We do not torture." Greg |
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From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:00 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Greg Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt! The subject is Bush's lies. Try to keep up. Greg |
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Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? The Associated Press PANAMA CITY, Panama Nov 7, 2005 President Bush vigorously defended U.S. interrogation practices in the war on terror Monday and lobbied against a congressional drive to outlaw torture. "There's an enemy that lurks and plots and plans and wants to hurt America again," Bush said. "So you bet we will aggressively pursue them but we will do so under the law." He declared, "We do not torture." 'Tard boy liberals such as yourself would rather give the terrorists some milk, cookies and a pat on the head. dxAce Michigan USA |
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Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Yep and even though uncertain one has to make a decision. Had President Bush not made the decision that he did, and Hussein did use WMD's then you stupid Liberals would be bitching about that and asking why nothing was done. There's no pleasing you Kool-Aid drinkers. dxAce Michigan USA |
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Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:00 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Greg Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt! The subject is Bush's lies. Try to keep up. Heck, I thought the subject was your 'tardism. Run along now, boy. dxAce Michigan USA |
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From: dxAce Organization: The Listener at the Gates of Dawn Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:17:42 -0500 Subject: the church of bush Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? The Associated Press PANAMA CITY, Panama Nov 7, 2005 President Bush vigorously defended U.S. interrogation practices in the war on terror Monday and lobbied against a congressional drive to outlaw torture. "There's an enemy that lurks and plots and plans and wants to hurt America again," Bush said. "So you bet we will aggressively pursue them but we will do so under the law." He declared, "We do not torture." 'Tard boy liberals such as yourself would rather give the terrorists some milk, cookies and a pat on the head. dxAce Michigan USA Actually, I would prefer to have seen Osama killed or captured and Al Qaeda destroyed in Afghanistan. But, like you, our commander-in-chief has a small attention span. As to operating torture camps - isn't that what we're supposed to be opposed to? Greg |
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bush's troubles mount as Republican defections increase.
www.globalnewsmatrix.com There are similar aricles all over the internet news sites.I don't think the GOP will ever be popular again as long as bush and cheney are in there.It is a down hill skid that has no stopping.Anyway,don't blame it on me,I had nothing to do with it. cuhulin |
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From: dxAce Organization: The Listener at the Gates of Dawn Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:22:28 -0500 Subject: the church of bush Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:00 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Greg Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt! The subject is Bush's lies. Try to keep up. Heck, I thought the subject was your 'tardism. Run along now, boy. dxAce Michigan USA Keep dreamin' Drakeman. Greg |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:17:13 GMT, Greg wrote:
From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:00 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Greg Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt! The subject is Bush's lies. Try to keep up. Greg Why don't you just answer the question instead of avoiding it? Usenet'Hole List --------------------------------- chicken little and his mom!, |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:18:15 -0500, dxAce
wrote: Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Yep and even though uncertain one has to make a decision. Had President Bush not made the decision that he did, and Hussein did use WMD's then you stupid Liberals would be bitching about that and asking why nothing was done. There's no pleasing you Kool-Aid drinkers. dxAce Michigan USA Point well put! It would have been the United States fault for not doing anything and I guarantee you that Canada would have done nothing as usual. Usenet'Hole List --------------------------------- chicken little and his mom!, |
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Greg wrote: From: dxAce Organization: The Listener at the Gates of Dawn Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:17:42 -0500 Subject: the church of bush Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? The Associated Press PANAMA CITY, Panama Nov 7, 2005 President Bush vigorously defended U.S. interrogation practices in the war on terror Monday and lobbied against a congressional drive to outlaw torture. "There's an enemy that lurks and plots and plans and wants to hurt America again," Bush said. "So you bet we will aggressively pursue them but we will do so under the law." He declared, "We do not torture." 'Tard boy liberals such as yourself would rather give the terrorists some milk, cookies and a pat on the head. Actually, I would prefer to have seen Osama killed or captured and Al Qaeda destroyed in Afghanistan. But, like you, our commander-in-chief has a small attention span. As to operating torture camps - isn't that what we're supposed to be opposed to? Guess it depends on what is considered 'torture'. As I said, 'Tard boy liberals such as yourself would rather give the terrorists some milk, cookies and a pat on the head. Run along now, boy, and practice those listening skills. dxAce Michigan USA |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:48:41 GMT, Greg wrote:
From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? On Thursday, President Bush claimed that: "Nearly 100,000 fully trained and equipped Iraqi soldiers, police officers, and other security personnel are working today." *- President Bush, Press Conference, Sept. 23, 2004 However, the Pentagon said last Monday that of these ³nearly 100,000 fully trained and equipped Iraqi soldiers² only about 53,000 Iraqi troops have undergone training. In addition, Reuters reports that of the nearly 90,000 Iraqis currently in the police force, only 8,169 have had the full eight-week academy training. And it will be July 2006 before the administration's new goal of 135,000 fully trained police is met. Greg Did you ever stop to think that there were some trained Iraqi soldiers before the war started? We did not kill them all you know. Do you think that the Pentagon might have meant that we have only trained 53K? Usenet'Hole List --------------------------------- chicken little and his mom!, |
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Beerbarrel wrote: On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:17:13 GMT, Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:00 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Greg Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt! The subject is Bush's lies. Try to keep up. Greg Why don't you just answer the question instead of avoiding it? Because the Liberal 'tards are fixated on WMD's. I know a fellow here who manages to bring up WMD's in every other sentence. It reminds me of a one time friend with whom it became impossible to carry on a conversation with because every other sentence that came out of his mouth had to do with Y2K and the gloom and doom that was to follow. dxAce Michigan USA |
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From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:28:30 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:17:13 GMT, Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:00 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Greg Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt! The subject is Bush's lies. Try to keep up. Greg Why don't you just answer the question instead of avoiding it? Are you drunk? Greg |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:26:20 GMT, Greg wrote:
From: dxAce Organization: The Listener at the Gates of Dawn Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:17:42 -0500 Subject: the church of bush Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? The Associated Press PANAMA CITY, Panama Nov 7, 2005 President Bush vigorously defended U.S. interrogation practices in the war on terror Monday and lobbied against a congressional drive to outlaw torture. "There's an enemy that lurks and plots and plans and wants to hurt America again," Bush said. "So you bet we will aggressively pursue them but we will do so under the law." He declared, "We do not torture." 'Tard boy liberals such as yourself would rather give the terrorists some milk, cookies and a pat on the head. dxAce Michigan USA Actually, I would prefer to have seen Osama killed or captured and Al Qaeda destroyed in Afghanistan. But, like you, our commander-in-chief has a small attention span. As to operating torture camps - isn't that what we're supposed to be opposed to? Greg Actually, I don't think making people pose naked is torture, but the liberal media got the attention of all the bleeding heart liberals. It was the only way they had to fight back. They whined about some naked pictures. What happened to the Jews at the hands of the Nazis, that was torture. Usenet'Hole List --------------------------------- chicken little and his mom!, |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:36:17 GMT, Greg wrote:
From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:28:30 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:17:13 GMT, Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:00 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Greg Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt! The subject is Bush's lies. Try to keep up. Greg Why don't you just answer the question instead of avoiding it? Are you drunk? Greg I guess I made my point with you. You have no answer. Usenet'Hole List --------------------------------- chicken little and his mom!, |
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Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:28:30 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:17:13 GMT, Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:00 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Greg Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt! The subject is Bush's lies. Try to keep up. Greg Why don't you just answer the question instead of avoiding it? Are you drunk? Another 'Classic' 'tard boy response. LMAO dxAce Michigan USA |
the church of bush
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:39:33 -0500, dxAce
wrote: Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:28:30 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 23:17:13 GMT, Greg wrote: From: Beerbarrel Organization: Cox Communications Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 18:03:00 -0500 Subject: the church of bush On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 22:46:55 GMT, Greg wrote: From: clifto Organization: Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 12:00:52 -0600 Subject: the church of bush John Barnard wrote: The war started with lies Repeating that lie hasn't made it true yet, and it won't. But just for entertainment purposes, why not cite us one of those lies? All of this comes just as former Marine Corps General and former CENTCOM commander Anthony Zinni has begun to speak out about the war in Iraq. Zinni is the subject of a multiple page article in the Washington Post in which he says "If I'm ever in a position to say what I think is right, I will. . . . I don't care what happens to my career." Zinni is indeed telling it like it is. To quote the Post: "Iraq is in serious danger of coming apart because of lack of planning, underestimating the task and buying into a flawed strategy," he says. "The longer we stubbornly resist admitting the mistakes and not altering our approach, the harder it will be to pull this chestnut out of the fire." Apparently the time that Zinni turned against the Bush Administration (he endorsed Bush in the 2000 election) was when he saw Vice President Dick Cheney speak to a VFW convention. "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us." Cheney's certitude bewildered Zinni. As chief of the Central Command, Zinni had been immersed in U.S. intelligence about Iraq. He was all too familiar with the intelligence analysts' doubts about Iraq's programs to acquire weapons of mass destruction, or WMD. "In my time at Centcom, I watched the intelligence, and never -- not once -- did it say, 'He has WMD.' " That's right. Zinni says that "never not once did [the intelligence] say, 'He has WMD.'" It was uncertain. It was always uncertain. Once Cheney left the stage Zinni was conviced of two things: first, that the Bush Administration was determined to invade and occupy Iraq. And, second, "These guys don't understand what they are getting into." (http://www.warblogging.com/archives/000781.php Greg Why does it always have to be WMD's with you guys? You all seem to forget the other hundred reasons that we should have kicked his butt! The subject is Bush's lies. Try to keep up. Greg Why don't you just answer the question instead of avoiding it? Are you drunk? Another 'Classic' 'tard boy response. LMAO dxAce Michigan USA I love these guys that just post links to some obscure news story. Do they actually have the ability to think critically for themselves. Barnard, Mike, Greg, David, and others they are all cut from the same mold I think. They remind me of a big turd swirling down the toilet. Do you think they make up this stuff as they are swirling side by side on the way down? Usenet'Hole List --------------------------------- chicken little and his mom!, |
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