MnMikew wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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MnMikew wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Bottom line, if you want the priveleges, you takes the test (and that
pretty
much holds true for anything), you don't get to 'cherry-pick' the
particular
things that you feel comfortable with being tested on, or that which
YOU
feel
YOU have a use for.

You're sounding more and more Liberal with each post!

And you're sounding like the typical code zealot. You'd make the perfect
elitest liberal.

Are you currently licensed?

Nope. I'm waiting to see how the current license thing shakes out. Been
meaning to for awhile now. I listen in on some 2m nets and stuff via the
scanners and am starting to get the bug to talk insted of listen.

From what I've seen the current ham tests are just like what Microsoft had
for NT certification. Petty easy to pass with some memorization. But MSFT
got wise and made the tests harder with each OS release. It would be fairly
easy to make the tech test harder by not publishing the answers. You'd get a
better quality of hams then instead of people with good memory who can
barely do code.

That would certainly be true, however, it seems as though you do want a license
but are unwilling to learn the code. So, I guess you'll have to sit on the
sidelines waiting to see how things shake out.

But, you can obtain a license now and talk till your lungs collapse, you just
can't get on HF without doing that nasty code thing.

I hereby rest my case.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

MnMikew wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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MnMikew wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Bottom line, if you want the priveleges, you takes the test (and that
pretty
much holds true for anything), you don't get to 'cherry-pick' the
particular
things that you feel comfortable with being tested on, or that which
YOU
feel
YOU have a use for.

You're sounding more and more Liberal with each post!

And you're sounding like the typical code zealot. You'd make the perfect
elitest liberal.

Well, I guess I am an 'elitist'. I was able to pass the 13 WPM requirement
to
obtain a General class license.

I didn't allow the code requirement to hold me back whether I was going to
ever
use it or not. I wasn't lazy, I wasn't dumb, I simply wanted the ticket,
and I
didn't whine about it.

Now, I guess I could use your mentality (and that of others) to provide a
'mental block' to my obtaining a Extra Class ticket if I desired to get
one. I
could whine, complain, stamp my feet and say that there are questions on
the
Extra exam that pertain to things that I just don't personally plan on
using in
Amateur Radio.

But would I allow those things to get in my way? No, I'd simply buckle
down,
study, and take the test.

I'm not a whiny Liberal.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Well, your constant whining that removing code will "dumb down" ham radio
dosent really hold water.

That's simply your Liberal opinion. But as a recently outed Liberal you've
completely missed the point.

Why am I not surprised?

LMFAO at yet another one.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"dxAce" wrote in message
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MnMikew wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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MnMikew wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Bottom line, if you want the priveleges, you takes the test (and
that
pretty
much holds true for anything), you don't get to 'cherry-pick' the
particular
things that you feel comfortable with being tested on, or that
which
YOU
feel
YOU have a use for.

You're sounding more and more Liberal with each post!

And you're sounding like the typical code zealot. You'd make the
perfect
elitest liberal.

Well, I guess I am an 'elitist'. I was able to pass the 13 WPM
requirement
to
obtain a General class license.

I didn't allow the code requirement to hold me back whether I was
going to
ever
use it or not. I wasn't lazy, I wasn't dumb, I simply wanted the
ticket,
and I
didn't whine about it.

Now, I guess I could use your mentality (and that of others) to
provide a
'mental block' to my obtaining a Extra Class ticket if I desired to
get
one. I
could whine, complain, stamp my feet and say that there are questions
on
the
Extra exam that pertain to things that I just don't personally plan on
using in
Amateur Radio.

But would I allow those things to get in my way? No, I'd simply buckle
down,
study, and take the test.

I'm not a whiny Liberal.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Well, your constant whining that removing code will "dumb down" ham
radio
dosent really hold water.

That's simply your Liberal opinion. But as a recently outed Liberal you've
completely missed the point.

Why am I not surprised?

LMFAO at yet another one.

Right over your head eh Steve.

"dxAce" wrote in message
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MnMikew wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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MnMikew wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Bottom line, if you want the priveleges, you takes the test (and
that
pretty
much holds true for anything), you don't get to 'cherry-pick' the
particular
things that you feel comfortable with being tested on, or that
which
YOU
feel
YOU have a use for.

You're sounding more and more Liberal with each post!

And you're sounding like the typical code zealot. You'd make the
perfect
elitest liberal.

Are you currently licensed?

Nope. I'm waiting to see how the current license thing shakes out. Been
meaning to for awhile now. I listen in on some 2m nets and stuff via the
scanners and am starting to get the bug to talk insted of listen.

From what I've seen the current ham tests are just like what Microsoft
had
for NT certification. Petty easy to pass with some memorization. But
MSFT
got wise and made the tests harder with each OS release. It would be
fairly
easy to make the tech test harder by not publishing the answers. You'd
get a
better quality of hams then instead of people with good memory who can
barely do code.

That would certainly be true, however, it seems as though you do want a
license
but are unwilling to learn the code. So, I guess you'll have to sit on the
sidelines waiting to see how things shake out.

No, I could go take the tech test tomorrow and probably pass. I waiting to
see if they change the test......again.

an_old_friend wrote:

dxAce wrote:
MnMikew wrote:

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How about the last time you used CW?

Maybe 10 years ago. I certainly haven't forgotten it though. Pretty confident I
could get the key back out and do all right.

in other words do as Isay not as I do

the word is hypocrite

How do you figure that, 'tard boy?

No one has ever said that using CW is a total time requirement. It's just like any
number of other questions that have been on the test either now or in the past. It's
just a 'question' on the test. Just pass the test and if you desire you need never
use CW again. But, you can always renew your license.

One doesn't get to 'cherry-pick' the questions one wants on the exam. I realize
though that that concept is pretty much beyond you.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"Carter, K8VT" wrote:

MnMikew wrote:

So why is it you mostly listen Steve? When was your last contact? Do you
even own a ham rig?

Interesting questions...but more to the point, one is compelled to ask
"Mr. CW" (the self-appointed "ace" and defender of the CW flame) what
his *current* CW speed is and how much CW he actually operates.

I figure I could send 18-20. Receiving itself may be a bit rusty, say 10 or so?
The real key would be how long it might take me to get up to speed again.

One thing though, you don't have to appoint yourself 'tard boy', as I've done it
for you!


Is he a
VE?

Is that a license requirement, 'tard boy?

Has he mentored any potential new hams--

Is that a license requirement, 'tard boy?

or just given them a heaping
ration of his usual ridicule?

Truth be told, with all his whining about excuses, it all seems to
ultimately boil down to *him* using the oldest excuse in the book; i.e.
"Well, I had to learn CW, so you should too".

Please try to pay attention, Grabowski. I realize that may be a bit tough for
you, being a flaming Liberal and all, but give it a try.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"dxAce" wrote in message
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MnMikew wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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So why is it you mostly listen Steve?

It's my preferred hobby, and I personally find SWBC DX'ing more
challenging than
Amateur radio DX'ing.

Why?

Because.

Wouldnt actually contacting someone be more rewarding?

No, at least not to me anyway. Been there, done that.

When was your last contact?

Yesterday, on 2 meters.

When's the last time you were on HF?

Gee, maybe 10 years ago?

How about the last time you used CW?

Maybe 10 years ago. I certainly haven't forgotten it though. Pretty
confident I
could get the key back out and do all right.

You listen at all to HF hams via shortwave anymore? I can get some to come
in here but my backyard antenna is in need of a serious upgrade.

"dxAce" wrote in message
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No one has ever said that using CW is a total time requirement. It's just
like any
number of other questions that have been on the test either now or in the
past. It's
just a 'question' on the test. Just pass the test and if you desire you
need never
use CW again. But, you can always renew your license.

So why not replace the worthless code questions with more pertinent
questions?

MnMikew wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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MnMikew wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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So why is it you mostly listen Steve?

It's my preferred hobby, and I personally find SWBC DX'ing more
challenging than
Amateur radio DX'ing.

Why?

Because.

Wouldnt actually contacting someone be more rewarding?

No, at least not to me anyway. Been there, done that.

When was your last contact?

Yesterday, on 2 meters.

When's the last time you were on HF?

Gee, maybe 10 years ago?

How about the last time you used CW?

Maybe 10 years ago. I certainly haven't forgotten it though. Pretty
confident I
could get the key back out and do all right.

You listen at all to HF hams via shortwave anymore?

Yes, most every morning.

I can get some to come
in here but my backyard antenna is in need of a serious upgrade.

The bands are full of them, upgrade that antenna.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

dxAce wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:

dxAce wrote:
MnMikew wrote:

cut
How about the last time you used CW?

Maybe 10 years ago. I certainly haven't forgotten it though. Pretty confident I
could get the key back out and do all right.

in other words do as Isay not as I do

the word is hypocrite

How do you figure that, 'tard boy?

very easily

No one has ever said that using CW is a total time requirement.
that is a lie many people have wether you are amoug them is another
matter

It's just like any
number of other questions that have been on the test either now or in the past.
what other single question cases one to fail if you miss it?
It's
just a 'question' on the test.
what other single question cases one to fail if you miss it?

Just pass the test and if you desire you need never
use CW again. But, you can always renew your license.

so what was the point of the requirement today?

hazinf ritual I guess you never out grew that frat boy stuff

One doesn't get to 'cherry-pick' the questions one wants on the exam.
but one can use the means provided to seeek to change the rules as I
have and have (with other very nearly suceeded

I realize
though that that concept is pretty much beyond you.

the concept of change seems beyond you

dxAce
Michigan
USA