Brenda Ann wrote:
"MnMikew" wrote in message
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You seem to have this idea that no-code hams are somehow "dumber" that
ones
who know it.

A large number are. What challenge is there to getting a ham license when
the test pool questions are available to anyone that wants them, and all
they have to do is memorize the answers?

why is it suposed to be a chalenge TO get the license I see nothing
saying that in Part 97

does anybody have any text from any era saying it should eb a challange
to GET the license

the process of geting a license is NOT an exercise in S&M

you sound like many other

what would satify you

a flogging in a public square to show the new hams devotion to Ham
Radio
I actually had to know something
about what I was doing to get my license. I started like most with a Novice
ticket and 5WPM code.

and yes you climb throug snow and broken glass on your hands and kness
uphill both ways

MnMikew wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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MnMikew wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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You sound like the atypical code snob Steve.

Nothing snobbish about it at all.

Getting rid of the code req. is
the best thing the FCC has done in a long time.

I suppose it is for those who are unwilling to learn it!

You seem to have this idea that no-code hams are somehow "dumber" that
ones
who know it.

Well yes, too dumb to learn the code, so I guess you are correct.

Having no interest is not the same as being dumb.

Or lazy?

At any rate, if one really wants the ticket 5 WPM shouldn't be a barrier. The
ONLY barrier to learning 5 WPM is either being dumb or lazy. And the ONLY folks
who would suggest otherwise are either dumb and/or lazy or are supporters of the
dumb and/or lazy.

Anything else is simply a lame excuse.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"dxAce" wrote in message
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MnMikew wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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MnMikew wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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You sound like the atypical code snob Steve.

Nothing snobbish about it at all.

Getting rid of the code req. is
the best thing the FCC has done in a long time.

I suppose it is for those who are unwilling to learn it!

You seem to have this idea that no-code hams are somehow "dumber"
that
ones
who know it.

Well yes, too dumb to learn the code, so I guess you are correct.

Having no interest is not the same as being dumb.

Or lazy?

At any rate, if one really wants the ticket 5 WPM shouldn't be a barrier.
The
ONLY barrier to learning 5 WPM is either being dumb or lazy. And the ONLY
folks
who would suggest otherwise are either dumb and/or lazy or are supporters
of the
dumb and/or lazy.

Anything else is simply a lame excuse.

Having code req. is a lame excuse.

MnMikew wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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MnMikew wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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MnMikew wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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You sound like the atypical code snob Steve.

Nothing snobbish about it at all.

Getting rid of the code req. is
the best thing the FCC has done in a long time.

I suppose it is for those who are unwilling to learn it!

You seem to have this idea that no-code hams are somehow "dumber"
that
ones
who know it.

Well yes, too dumb to learn the code, so I guess you are correct.

Having no interest is not the same as being dumb.

Or lazy?

At any rate, if one really wants the ticket 5 WPM shouldn't be a barrier.
The
ONLY barrier to learning 5 WPM is either being dumb or lazy. And the ONLY
folks
who would suggest otherwise are either dumb and/or lazy or are supporters
of the
dumb and/or lazy.

Anything else is simply a lame excuse.

Having code req. is a lame excuse.

Only for those who are unwilling to learn it!

Bottom line, if you want the priveleges, you takes the test (and that pretty
much holds true for anything), you don't get to 'cherry-pick' the particular
things that you feel comfortable with being tested on, or that which YOU feel
YOU have a use for.

You're sounding more and more Liberal with each post!

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Bottom line, if you want the priveleges, you takes the test (and that
pretty
much holds true for anything), you don't get to 'cherry-pick' the
particular
things that you feel comfortable with being tested on, or that which YOU
feel
YOU have a use for.

You're sounding more and more Liberal with each post!

And you're sounding like the typical code zealot. You'd make the perfect
elitest liberal.

MnMikew wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Bottom line, if you want the priveleges, you takes the test (and that
pretty
much holds true for anything), you don't get to 'cherry-pick' the
particular
things that you feel comfortable with being tested on, or that which YOU
feel
YOU have a use for.

You're sounding more and more Liberal with each post!

And you're sounding like the typical code zealot. You'd make the perfect
elitest liberal.

Are you currently licensed?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

MnMikew wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Bottom line, if you want the priveleges, you takes the test (and that
pretty
much holds true for anything), you don't get to 'cherry-pick' the
particular
things that you feel comfortable with being tested on, or that which YOU
feel
YOU have a use for.

You're sounding more and more Liberal with each post!

And you're sounding like the typical code zealot. You'd make the perfect
elitest liberal.

Well, I guess I am an 'elitist'. I was able to pass the 13 WPM requirement to
obtain a General class license.

I didn't allow the code requirement to hold me back whether I was going to ever
use it or not. I wasn't lazy, I wasn't dumb, I simply wanted the ticket, and I
didn't whine about it.

Now, I guess I could use your mentality (and that of others) to provide a
'mental block' to my obtaining a Extra Class ticket if I desired to get one. I
could whine, complain, stamp my feet and say that there are questions on the
Extra exam that pertain to things that I just don't personally plan on using in
Amateur Radio.

But would I allow those things to get in my way? No, I'd simply buckle down,
study, and take the test.

I'm not a whiny Liberal.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

If you want the Extra Class ticket,I would say,and I do
say,(respectfully) it takes practice,practice,practice.
cuhulin

"dxAce" wrote in message
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MnMikew wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Bottom line, if you want the priveleges, you takes the test (and that
pretty
much holds true for anything), you don't get to 'cherry-pick' the
particular
things that you feel comfortable with being tested on, or that which
YOU
feel
YOU have a use for.

You're sounding more and more Liberal with each post!

And you're sounding like the typical code zealot. You'd make the perfect
elitest liberal.

Are you currently licensed?

Nope. I'm waiting to see how the current license thing shakes out. Been
meaning to for awhile now. I listen in on some 2m nets and stuff via the
scanners and am starting to get the bug to talk insted of listen.

From what I've seen the current ham tests are just like what Microsoft had
for NT certification. Petty easy to pass with some memorization. But MSFT
got wise and made the tests harder with each OS release. It would be fairly
easy to make the tech test harder by not publishing the answers. You'd get a
better quality of hams then instead of people with good memory who can
barely do code.

"dxAce" wrote in message
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MnMikew wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Bottom line, if you want the priveleges, you takes the test (and that
pretty
much holds true for anything), you don't get to 'cherry-pick' the
particular
things that you feel comfortable with being tested on, or that which
YOU
feel
YOU have a use for.

You're sounding more and more Liberal with each post!

And you're sounding like the typical code zealot. You'd make the perfect
elitest liberal.

Well, I guess I am an 'elitist'. I was able to pass the 13 WPM requirement
to
obtain a General class license.

I didn't allow the code requirement to hold me back whether I was going to
ever
use it or not. I wasn't lazy, I wasn't dumb, I simply wanted the ticket,
and I
didn't whine about it.

Now, I guess I could use your mentality (and that of others) to provide a
'mental block' to my obtaining a Extra Class ticket if I desired to get
one. I
could whine, complain, stamp my feet and say that there are questions on
the
Extra exam that pertain to things that I just don't personally plan on
using in
Amateur Radio.

But would I allow those things to get in my way? No, I'd simply buckle
down,
study, and take the test.

I'm not a whiny Liberal.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Well, your constant whining that removing code will "dumb down" ham radio
dosent really hold water. It's not like the ENTIRE HF band will be opened up
to techs anyway.