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Brenda Ann wrote:
They can market them all they want. I don't know anyone personally that will
buy one.

I'd buy one for $10 if it had a usable line out I could feed my stereo gear.
Much more than that, and it's just not worth it to hear talk radio or
Spanish music.

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"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
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They can market them all they want. I don't know anyone personally that
will buy one.

I would not expect you would. Niether do I.. The consumer martketing just
began this monthy. It's in a very early phase.

They're just not willing to spend the sort of money to replace
something that's been working just fine for them.

What sort of money? You obviously don't know the price points of the next
wave of receivers.

And I doubt seriously that much of the general populus will want to
replace the 5-10 analog radios they already have just for a joke of a
digital signal.

A signal which sounds better, doubles the FM station count, and gives AM
decent quality. And it's "digital" which means a lot to the consumer.

You keep talking about the contours.. well, those may look good on paper,
they don't work in real life situations.

That's amusing. We have two dozen of these on the air already, and in every
case, the usable contour is greater for HD than for analog. The biggest
benefit is to major market AMs where the ambient noise level means coverage
is very limited. For FMs, we are finding a usable HD signal that goes beyond
the 64 dbu, which is where almost all rated listening stops on analog. And
rated listeners are all we care about, as that is how we make money. And
that is the way it has been of 80 years or so.

You'll learn that when people start tuning out of your stations en-masse.

Funny, but nearly all our stations were up in Winter, including the HD
enabled ones. Addin HD does not affect the ratings of the analog signal. It
just expands th epotential for the future.

I know that personally, I will never spend the money on IBOC receiving
equipment.

Since you don't even know how much it will cost in the next 18 months, that
is a ludicrous statement.

I won't spend a cent to replace something that has always worked with
something of questionable value in general and no value whatsoever to me.

Most people will feel that having twice the FM "stations" is well worht it.
One time cost, tangible gain.

IBOC interferes with adjacent channel stations. This is just poor
engineering, and something that would never have been allowed in the days
when the FCC was composed of engineers instead of greedy politicians.

Since there is scan evidence that the adjacents are being listened to in the
areas where the interference happens, this is irrelevant.

I was just talking to a friend of mine on the Oregon coast who has been
listening regularly to KONA in the tri-cities on 610 for decades. He can
no longer listen to it because KPOJ 620 in Portland turned on their IBOC
and is splattering 15KHz either side of their carrier. You can do your
best to talk up this boondoggle, but most of us see it for what it is..
just another way for the NAB to screw the little guy, including the
listeners.

Actually, this was not an NAB project. The promotion of it is not NAB. The
engineering was not NAB. A bunch of group owners decided that radio had to
move into the digital domain, and financed iBiquity's early stock offerings.
Some of the early adopters are small, like UnoRadio Group, a Puerto Rican
company that is owned by a lifetime engineer who believes this is the best
hope of radio for the future.

So few people listen to far-off signals and so many will leave radio
altogether if we do not modernize delivery that this is a small price to pay
to stay off obselecence.

I think you'll find that rather than buy expensive new radios,

They will not be expensive as they roll out. My first CD player was $1,400.
My first DVD player was nearly $700. My first VHS was over $800. My first
walkman CD player was nearly $300. Now there are $19 DVD players, $14 CD
walkman players and nobody wants a VHS device.

that listeners will just turn off their radios and go to other
entertainment modes.. this is already largely the case with Ipods,
portable CD and MD players, etc.

Which have been studied and found to not compete with radio, but, in many
cases, create more radio listening. Just as 45's and cassettes and CDs did.
They are complimentary.

Most young people don't even own a radio anymore, it's too easy for them
to get the music they want, load it onto a personal portable device, and
hear what they want, when they want, without incessant DJ patter and
endless advertisements.

Radio does not program to young people. It can not afford to. Yet, 93% of
teens use radio weekly, so your data is just about totally wrong. You have
some kind of emotional reaction to this that does not allow you to see the
reality of pricing, radio usage or the "digital" phenomenon.

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"Brenda Ann" wrote in message
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In every market, we have had good HD experiences on AM and FM... NY,
Miami, Dallas, Houston, Chicago, Phoenix, LA, San Diego, San Francisco,
etc. All our engineers like it, and love the sound.

I call BS. I have personal reports that AM IBOC cannot be heard in
downtown Manhattan on a display radio.

I know ESB stations that can not be heard in stores 6 blocks away. Manhattan
is a horrible place for FM.

The fact is, our WCAA on HD has better usable coverage and better building
penetration than the analog signal.

As I have said, we are finding this to be uniformly true, which is why
nearly all our 70 stations will be HD by the end of next year.

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"Eric F. Richards" wrote in message
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"David Eduardo" wrote:


Since nobody answered the modem, you were NOT contacted. Your phone line
was
attempted, and discarded when it did not have a human on the other end.


Actually I was contacted -- by mail. Got the dollar bill and
everything. But when I told them it wasn't my primary phone number
they lost interest.

Original contact is made by pone, not mail. So you are lying or changing the
order of things.

They also sent the dollar bill and contact information to the water
system's billing address. The water association got a big laugh over
it.

Arbitron does not recruit by mail. Ever.

Don't tell me I wasn't contacted when I was. Once again it shows you
to be in a bubble of unreality.

I just checked with a person at Arbitron. The MRC approved methodology is
phone contact followed by mailing of a BOX with the diary in it along with
the incentive, phone confirmation of receipt, phone follow up after day 1,
phone follow up after weekend, phone follow-up on Thursday for completion
and mail-back.

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"Steve" wrote in message
ups.com...
Yeah, well, *extremely* heavy emphasis has to be placed on "noise free"
in order for this claim to be true. Otherwise it is patently false.

Listeners do no significantly use metro AMs outside the 10 mv/m and FMs
outside the 64 dbu, with 85% of listening in the 70 debu. The HD signal
exceeds this.

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"Steve" wrote in message
oups.com...

David Eduardo wrote:

In every market, we have had good HD experiences on AM and FM... NY,
Miami,
Dallas, Houston, Chicago, Phoenix, LA, San Diego, San Francisco, etc. All
our engineers like it, and love the sound.

I'm glad your engineers are happy, but I suspect your advertisers are
aiming at a slightly larger listening audience.

We had our highest total ratings ever in Winter 2006. The advertisers are
happy. Our company was awarded the only A+ for ratings performance by an
investment firm that tracks radio as an industry.

The HD signal exceeds the USABLE Am and FM coutours in every case...
unless
you are using the Boston Acoustics Receptor, which is a bad HD radio.

Unless you have unreasonably high standards for what counts as
'usable', this is simply false.

My standard is the contours where listening occurs. there have been plenty
of studies of where most listening occurs, and where the drop-off contours
are. Most of us have been tracking this sort of stuff since the 70's.

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"clifto" wrote in message
...
Brenda Ann wrote:
They can market them all they want. I don't know anyone personally that
will
buy one.

I'd buy one for $10 if it had a usable line out I could feed my stereo
gear.
Much more than that, and it's just not worth it to hear talk radio or
Spanish music.

I did not know there was any station in the US that played much music from
Spain.

Of course, you meant "music in Spanish" I assume. ;-)

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I have a personal repote.But you probally dont want to hear it because I
am really a dirty old man.
cuhulin

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"David Eduardo" wrote:


"Eric F. Richards" wrote in message
...
"David Eduardo" wrote:


Since nobody answered the modem, you were NOT contacted. Your phone line
was
attempted, and discarded when it did not have a human on the other end.


Actually I was contacted -- by mail. Got the dollar bill and
everything. But when I told them it wasn't my primary phone number
they lost interest.

Original contact is made by pone, not mail. So you are lying or changing the
order of things.

Well, you better tell Arbitron that it has an imposter, then.


They also sent the dollar bill and contact information to the water
system's billing address. The water association got a big laugh over
it.

Arbitron does not recruit by mail. Ever.

"BE PART OF THE RADIO RATINGS!

"Whether you listen a little, a lot, or not at all, you are important.
Yours is one of the few households in your area chosen to tell radio
stations what you listen to.

"It's easy and fun to take part in our radio survey. In just a few
days, an Arbitron reasearch assistant will call with more details.
Or, here is how to get started right away:

"o Call 1-800-638-7091 and ask to speak with an Arbitron research
assistant, or

"o Enroll on line at www.enroll.arbitronratings.com by using the
following serial number (ed: deleted)

"Thanks for your help,

"/s/ Steve Morris
"President, Arbitron Ratings

"PS: Please accept the small token of appreciation we have enclosed
with the letter."


....but clearly again you know better than this letter how they
recruit.

Jeez, your idiocy never ends, does it?



Don't tell me I wasn't contacted when I was. Once again it shows you
to be in a bubble of unreality.

I just checked with a person at Arbitron. The MRC approved methodology is
phone contact followed by mailing of a BOX with the diary in it along with
the incentive, phone confirmation of receipt, phone follow up after day 1,
phone follow up after weekend, phone follow-up on Thursday for completion
and mail-back.


--
Eric F. Richards,
"It’s easy to fall into the trap of thinking that the purpose of a
business is to make money. But the real purpose of a business is to
create value. While it’s possible to make money in the short run
without creating much value, in the long run it’s unsustainable.
Even criminal organizations have to create value for someone."
- Steve Pavlina, April 10, 2006

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clifto wrote:

David Eduardo wrote:
"Eric F. Richards" wrote...
Arbitron will never figure it out, too.

Arbitron uses a percentage of RDD calls (Random Digit Dialing) to know
prefixes. This is to pick up unlisted phones in proportion with their
presence in each metro. Some will be inactive. Some will not answer. Some
will be faxes. So they perform enough calls to get the proper quota of
unlisted numbers to get market proportionality.

It doesn't matter that the comedian expected to get the pie in his face,
it's still funny to watch it happen.

I dunno if you mean me or him. Below I enclosed the entire text of
the letter sent to me, then having been rejected after they found out
my modem phone number wasn't my primary voice mail -- their online
registration actually told me that I wasn't the person at that number.

The flat earth society lives -- at Arbitron and in the mind of
Eduardo.


--
Eric F. Richards,
"It’s easy to fall into the trap of thinking that the purpose of a
business is to make money. But the real purpose of a business is to
create value. While it’s possible to make money in the short run
without creating much value, in the long run it’s unsustainable.
Even criminal organizations have to create value for someone."
- Steve Pavlina, April 10, 2006