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Lisa Simpson May 20th 06 07:26 PM

Dayton HamFest
 
Just returned from the Dayton HamFest; only found a coupla SW receivers for
sale, used, high-ish prices; quite a few old tube receivers way overpriced,
and of course the new ones at normal to slightly high prices.
Disappointing.



mike maghakian May 20th 06 07:47 PM

Dayton HamFest
 
please contact me if you still want your DX-394 upgraded





"Lisa Simpson" wrote in message
.. .
Just returned from the Dayton HamFest; only found a coupla SW receivers
for
sale, used, high-ish prices; quite a few old tube receivers way
overpriced,
and of course the new ones at normal to slightly high prices.
Disappointing.





Lisa Simpson May 20th 06 08:17 PM

Dayton HamFest
 
Just replied via my yahoo account . . .

"mike maghakian" wrote in message
...
please contact me if you still want your DX-394 upgraded





"Lisa Simpson" wrote in message
.. .
Just returned from the Dayton HamFest; only found a coupla SW receivers
for
sale, used, high-ish prices; quite a few old tube receivers way
overpriced,
and of course the new ones at normal to slightly high prices.
Disappointing.







[email protected] May 20th 06 08:52 PM

Dayton HamFest
 
I wouldn't go to Dayton if y'all paid me.
cuhulin


[email protected] May 20th 06 08:54 PM

Dayton HamFest
 
That radio isn't worth upgrading.It's a piece of junk.
cuhulin


Barry's Leftnut May 21st 06 12:23 PM

Dayton HamFest
 
On 2006-05-20 15:52:43 -0400, said:

I wouldn't go to Dayton if y'all paid me.
cuhulin



We don't want you there genius.


[email protected] May 21st 06 01:05 PM

Dayton HamFest
 

On Sun, 21 May 2006 11:23:47 GMT, Barry's Leftnut wrote:
On 2006-05-20 15:52:43 -0400, said:

I wouldn't go to Dayton if y'all paid me.
cuhulin



We don't want you there genius.


daytons day is gone. poeple comeing back say how bad it is
and not togo agian. killed by ebay and qrz.com it isn tany
good aney more.

mark

p.s. eat**** andie in nyc

an_old_friend May 21st 06 04:48 PM

Dayton HamFest
 

wrote:
I wouldn't go to Dayton if y'all paid me.
cuhulin

well if they paid me enough I would go
but i have disapointed withmost hamfests I do go when I need to stock
up on conectors


an old friend May 21st 06 05:26 PM

Dayton HamFest killed by E-Bay
 
Ron wrote:
I have only been to Dayton once and found it interesting. If I was
within 200 miles I would probably go there every year but being on the
other side of the country once will have to do. The Flea Market is nice
but that cannot be the only reason for one to go to Dayton. There are
numerous other activities going on all the time and I believe if one
goes to Dayton they should make them the main priority instead of the
Flea Market. Almost anything can be bought online nowadays so to go to
Dayton to haul home a car full of junk just doesn't make since anymore.
So how about a Dayton without a Flea Market ? Are we all so much
into the Junk of our Hobby that we forgot the human element?

all no enough fraid so

indeed I likely would not go to a hamfest without vendor the normal
reason Go is to stock on them and hoe maybe something else will turn up

Just my two cent worth.

Ron WA0KDS



Faraday May 21st 06 10:39 PM

Dayton HamFest
 
wrote:
I wouldn't go to Dayton if y'all paid me.
cuhulin


We'll pay you not to go to Dayton.

an old friend May 21st 06 10:44 PM

Dayton HamFest
 

Faraday wrote:
wrote:
I wouldn't go to Dayton if y'all paid me.
cuhulin


We'll pay you not to go to Dayton.


well if were him I start the bidding


[email protected] May 21st 06 11:13 PM

Dayton HamFest
 
Dayton,according to my Rand McNally Road Atlas,population of 169,400.Not
far North of Cincy town.
cuhulin


[email protected] May 21st 06 11:16 PM

Dayton HamFest
 
I like Dayton and I have never even been there before.I wonder if good
old Rosie in Lima,Ohio and her gang are spending the weekend at Indian
Lake?
cuhulin


John S. May 22nd 06 02:24 AM

Dayton HamFest killed by E-Bay
 
lemonhead wrote:
"Lisa Simpson" wrote in message
.. .
Just returned from the Dayton HamFest; only found a coupla SW receivers

for
sale, used, high-ish prices; quite a few old tube receivers way

overpriced,
and of course the new ones at normal to slightly high prices.
Disappointing.


I was there for 4 hours on Saturday.
Nothing but old test equipment and computer junk.
Only reason to go anymore is to meet people, albeit an
expensive one. Never again will I goto Dayton.
It's day has ended, period. E-Bay and private ad's on places like
QRZ.com have killed it. Not worth the effort anymore.


Actually Ebay didn't kill the Dayton Hamfest. In the 1980's it was
being handled as though it was still the 1950's and full of stuff that
had been carted between too many hamfests. Dayton is dying because the
promoters made the conscious decision to do nothing.


Peter Wieck May 22nd 06 04:34 PM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
After reading all this, and with the recent Kutztown event in the
background, as well as my three weekend finds, I am not so sure eBay
has much to do with anything as to radio prices or availability. This
is based on several assumptions which I will list for
correction/addition/amplification:

a) the west, southwest and south in general suffer from a dearth of
good radios. This has been the case for the over 20 years I have been
in the hobby and remains the case today. Exceptions include Florida &
Maryland... stretch to make MD a 'southern' state although it is below
the Mason/Dixon line.
b) the Pacific northwest suffers from the same lack to a lesser degree.


With this in mind, eBay has always been a presence in areas where the
natural crop is limited or non-existent. This group will typically have
a view of radios that is wildly distorted in price, as they start with
the "everything costs $15" mentality based on shipping alone.

As one moves east especially into (former) wealthier parts of it, and
around older major cities (Chicago, Minneapolis, Detroit and so forth),
radios become thicker and thicker until one hits the East Coast, where
even the most limited multi-family garage sale will offer a few
examples of *something* loosely described as being related to the
hobby. Then, at Kutztown, the typical $30+shipping eBay brown bakelite
radio goes in the $15-if-that range at the end-of-meet auction. And the
$229-for-a-common-RCA (albeit polished to glow-in-the-dark proportions)
simply does not happen.

So, it is "all according to" location and opportunity. Kutztown is a
free-to-the-public event held at a major Farmers' Market/Antique Market
that also has weekly tables for anyone selling. Accordingly its
attendance is disproportionately large and consists of a
disproportionate amount of the "general public" walking through out of
curiosity and because they were 'there anyway'. This would not happen
at a destination-event if only because of the lack of general publicity
as much as the uninterested public would never go nor have any reason
to even be proximate that they might go. And, of course, the admission
fee would deter those few that did happen to be straggling nearby.

I will also state for the record that Kutztown had _at least_ thousands
of radios in all states, of all types and in all price ranges, from
high-end, high-tube-count consoles through lovingly restored tabletops
through standard junk. The peripheral events are limited... no
hotel-banquet-hall lectures, but those few were directly on-point and
even of interest to non-radio people (The talk on Crystal sets, for
example).

So, from purely anecdotal evidence, it appears that those venues where
the general public is not actively solicited, those venues that are
'preaching to the converted' are shrinking. Those that do solicit the
general public, those that run at (apparently) a much lower key appear
to be growing. The two local examples would be the DVHRC-sponsored
events (Kutztown, PA) and the NJARC-sponsored events (Hazelet, NJ).
Those of you that go to the NEARC events in Nashua, New Hampshire...
how are they doing? I hear from some acquaintances that they are doing
quite well? And I also hear that Rochester is a mere shadow of its
former self? Is this true?

In any case, I remain of the general belief that eBay is not a
significant factor in the hobby to those in the east. And to those in
the west or out-of-range of large, older population centers, it has
_always_ been a factor, neither more nor less much than now.

The thoughts of others are actively solicited!

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA


Michael A. Terrell May 22nd 06 05:16 PM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
Peter Wieck wrote:

a) the west, southwest and south in general suffer from a dearth of
good radios. This has been the case for the over 20 years I have been
in the hobby and remains the case today. Exceptions include Florida &
Maryland... stretch to make MD a 'southern' state although it is below
the Mason/Dixon line.



According to the snowbirds from the New England area, Florida is the
southern tip of new England. :(


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

CAINE May 22nd 06 05:24 PM

Dayton HamFest killed by E-Bay
 
good points.

The local flea markets here, always seem so barren of good stuff. So I
managed to get to one 35 minutes before official opening time.

I was surpised to see the smart buyers already walking out with boxes
full of all the good stuff !

The best items sell, as the spots are still being set up.


[email protected] May 22nd 06 05:49 PM

Dayton HamFest killed by hams themselve
 
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Hambone the Porkbutter wrote:


Do the $$$ homework boys - you guys that run these ham events
are screwin yerselves faster than Barbaro broke his leg last week.



So, you're saying that the price hasn't changed that much since I left
Ohio in the late '80s? Do you think that they get Hara Arena for free,
or all the cops and bus service for park and ride?

I think many think they do or more precisely that the Ham have already
paid the nation for those services by our "public service"


notbob May 22nd 06 06:01 PM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
On 2006-05-22, Peter Wieck wrote:

In any case, I remain of the general belief that eBay is not a
significant factor in the hobby to those in the east. And to those in
the west or out-of-range of large, older population centers, it has
_always_ been a factor, neither more nor less much than now.

The thoughts of others are actively solicited!


As a rank newbie (not even licensed, yet) I more or less have to
agree. Here in the San Francisco Bay Area (SFBA) where there are at
least a couple local ARC swap meets per month, I see none of the stuff
found on ebay in the way of classic old ham equipment. Hell, I can't
even find a used morse code key to practice on. I'm gonna hafta buy a
new Ameco from HRO. Not quite sure exactly why this is. Perhaps most
of SFBA ppl are all digitally oriented due to Silicon Valley being the
original hot-bed of digital. Whatever the reason, old Collins, Drake,
Heathkit, etc, rigs are rarer than cheap gas and low real estate
prices.

On the positive side of the ledger, due to the glory days of the late
great SV, there's hardly a man or woman alive in Northern California
that can't fly a Fluke or wield a mean Weller. I'll be flogging my
own acid-free flux and have already bought my first QRP kit with my
eye on another.

nb

Michael A. Terrell May 22nd 06 06:14 PM

Dayton HamFest killed by hams themselve
 
" wrote:

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Hambone the Porkbutter wrote:


Do the $$$ homework boys - you guys that run these ham events
are screwin yerselves faster than Barbaro broke his leg last week.



So, you're saying that the price hasn't changed that much since I left
Ohio in the late '80s? Do you think that they get Hara Arena for free,
or all the cops and bus service for park and ride?

I think many think they do or more precisely that the Ham have already
paid the nation for those services by our "public service"



I was curious about the way it was run so I talked to the group that
organized the event every year. You wouldn't believe the crap they have
to wade through to run a hamfest that size, even though the money raised
is used to provide emergency communications for the area.


--
My sig file can beat up your sig file!

DeserTBoB May 22nd 06 06:33 PM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
On Mon, 22 May 2006 16:16:51 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

According to the snowbirds from the New England area, Florida is the
southern tip of new England. :( snip


I thought the Noo Yawkuhs declared it an eighth borough. At least
they vote correctly!

Michael Lawson May 22nd 06 07:47 PM

Dayton HamFest killed by E-Bay
 

"CAINE" wrote in message
oups.com...
good points.

The local flea markets here, always seem so barren of good stuff.

So I
managed to get to one 35 minutes before official opening time.

I was surpised to see the smart buyers already walking out with

boxes
full of all the good stuff !

The best items sell, as the spots are still being set up.


I have to agree. I got to Dayton last year shortly after
the opening, and there were already some R5000's
and some beautiful old Hallicrafters that already had
"sold" tags on them.

--Mike L.



Caveat Lector May 22nd 06 08:11 PM

Dayton HamFest
 
Oh Yeah - try being a vendor at hamfests
Add em up
Travel $30 to $300
Booth cost Typical $250 - Some fests charge extra for power
Hotel costs $120 to $350
Food $45

The small item vendor has to sell a ton of stuff just to break even

At one ham fest I guy offered me 1/3 price for a book
I relied "Which Chapter do you want?"


--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !






Cheesehead May 22nd 06 08:12 PM

Dayton HamFest killed by E-Bay
 
I've gone 5 of the past 6 years.
4 years ago there was a tent full of old AS/400 CPUs.
Less of that this year. Still, a lot of junk every year.
People wanting high-dollar for very-worn equipment.
That was disappointing.

What gets me is the guys selling bootleg MS software for big bucks.
Illegal as all get-out.
But tolerated, apparently, by HamVention.
They could get in big trouble.
That would be sad.

But it's not the only way that the WWW has changed Dayton.
It's changed the whole of communication.
Repeater/IP connections may be nifty, but they're not radio.

Collin
KC8TKA


Cheesehead May 22nd 06 08:18 PM

Dayton HamFest killed by E-Bay
 
Just park down @ the church for just $5.

What got me this year was the police sign about ticketing jaywalkers.
Sheesh. Is Barney Fife now the sheriff?


Cheesehead May 22nd 06 08:20 PM

Dayton HamFest killed by OBSCENE ADMISSION $$$
 
They way the Cubs are playing, don't be so certain.

:)


Lisa Simpson May 22nd 06 08:21 PM

Dayton HamFest
 
Yeah, I was gonna go on Friday, but work wouldn't allow it : {

"Michael Lawson" wrote in message
...

"Lisa Simpson" wrote in message
.. .
Just returned from the Dayton HamFest; only found a coupla SW

receivers for
sale, used, high-ish prices; quite a few old tube receivers way

overpriced,
and of course the new ones at normal to slightly high prices.
Disappointing.


Last year when I went on a Friday, I found numerous
Icoms, Kenwoods and the occasional Drake for sale.
My suspicion is that Friday is the day to go, because
the prices weren't too bad for, say, an R71A compared
to what you get on eBay for it (shipping included).

Of course, the best part is that you get to try the darn
thing out first before you buy it, so you'll know if you're
getting a lemon. That's probably why our favorite eBayer
isn't usally at Dayton to sell things, even though it's
not a far drive for him. I went through about 4-5
Hallicrafters SX-100's before I found one that I liked
enough to buy.

For my money, the most overpriced item was a
Hammarlund HQ-180A that was covered in rust
and crud and someone was asking $500 for it.

--Mike L.





Michael A. Terrell May 22nd 06 08:26 PM

Dayton HamFest killed by E-Bay
 
Cheesehead wrote:

Just park down @ the church for just $5.

What got me this year was the police sign about ticketing jaywalkers.
Sheesh. Is Barney Fife now the sheriff?



Maybe it has something to do with the number of people hit by a car
or truck, and the number of other accidents they cause when they step
out in front of a moving vehicle. I've seen quite a few wrecks going
to, and leaving large hamfests that could have been avoided by keeping
foot traffic away from the vehicular traffic.


--
My sig file can beat up your sig file!

Michael A. Terrell May 22nd 06 08:27 PM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
DeserTBoB wrote:

On Mon, 22 May 2006 16:16:51 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

According to the snowbirds from the New England area, Florida is the
southern tip of new England. :( snip


I thought the Noo Yawkuhs declared it an eighth borough. At least
they vote correctly!



Ya think it migt be related to the huge infestation of them during
November?


--
My sig file can beat up your sig file!

John S. May 22nd 06 08:38 PM

Ebay & "The Market"
 

Peter Wieck wrote:
After reading all this, and with the recent Kutztown event in the
background, as well as my three weekend finds, I am not so sure eBay
has much to do with anything as to radio prices or availability. This
is based on several assumptions which I will list for
correction/addition/amplification:



Internet based sales have a huge advantage over in-place sales like
Dayton. Ebay and other sales sites can as we all know bring sellers
from around the world at any time of the day. It just isn't possible
to get that kind of coverage at an arena in Ohio.

To the extent that buyer and seller are honest (and most are) internet
sales work very well because money and the good to be sold have to be
moved only once.

It is for the exact same reason that in-person antique shows are having
a hard go of it.


Michael Black May 22nd 06 08:59 PM

Dayton HamFest killed by hams themselve
 
"Peter Wieck" ) writes:
I was curious about the way it was run so I talked to the group that
organized the event every year. You wouldn't believe the crap they have
to wade through to run a hamfest that size, even though the money raised
is used to provide emergency communications for the area.


THAT is the single largest obstacle to these events. It is not simply a
matter of finding a vacant bit of ground and throwing up a few signs.
In this lawsuit-happy society, there is Insurance (liability, property,
fire, and so forth), staffing, cleaning, trash-removal, contacting food
vendors (and verifying their insurance) and much, much more. Is
whatever equipment you are providing also insured? What about any
electrical devices? Fences? Guide ropes? ADA compliant? Sufficient
facilities? Will food be served? Are they insured? Licensed in *that*
township? Board-of-Health certificates? What about the servers? Any
contraband/knock-offs/unlicensed material being sold? Sales tax
collected?

And so forth. Not small. My wife's church (a very small one) carries a
$1,000,000 policy on any internal events held by non-church groups
_AND_ they insist that these groups also carry a *specific* policy for
the event.

So it is not just collecting table-fees and admission-fees.

I still think that closed-ended events for dedicated hobbyists are bad
ideas anyway, but I am not unsympathetic to the complications involved.

But in some ways, Dayton may be an exception, or at least one of a handful
of exceptions.

Dayton is big because it draws people, not just from the local area but
from far away. Costs go up as size goes up. I'm willing to accept
that some hamfests are "insider" events.

But you're right that hamfests should be used as a recruitment tool,
and certainly the smaller they get the more their survival requires
a wider swatch of the population.

The local hamfests here in Montreal do not publicize outside of
ham circles. At least, I don't see it and if I didn't know
about the ham clubs and the hamfests I'd not know that they were
happening. For most of a decade, I've at least posted to the local
buy and sell newsgroup when one of the hamfests is about to happen,
and less regularly I post about the others. I'm not sellng the hamfest,
but trying to get the word out.

I give the details, but also a spiel because I'm aware that people
who don't know need to be informed. I make the point that visiting
is a way of finding out about amateur radio, and that the hamfest
can be a valuable resource for non-ham. Shortwave listeners may
find things of interest, the electronic hobbyist will find things,
and of course in recent years computer types may find things.

And while few will see the message, relative speaking, it may be
the only time most of the readers see a mention of amateur radio
in that year. The way I see it, it's not just about selling tickets
to the hamfest, but it's an excuse to get amateur radio out into
the world.

When I was a kid, I found out about the hobby because there was
an article in a general purpose magazine. I found out that the
rules were about to change to allow people under fifteen to get
licenses in the local paper. But that sort of thing happens less
and less. At the very least, some promotion of the hamfest is
a means of letting new people see something about the hobby, and
maybe pursuing it further.

And sustainability is a factor. The biggest of the local hamfests
is fairly small. SOme years back, one had to cancel because they'd
not sold enough tables ahead of time, the next year they came back
in a much smaller space that doesn't allow for growth. Had they
been promoting the fleamarket outside ham circles ahead of time,
they could have attracted "fellow travellers", the SWLs and the
electronic hobbyists and even the computer types, to fill the empty
tables.

Michael VE2BVW


sapper May 22nd 06 09:45 PM

Dayton HamFest killed by E-Bay
 
I am a new Ham and have been to two ham fests this year put on by local
clubs. Very disappointing. I thought maybe I could get some used
equipment
since I had none. If I had been looking for 23 channel CBs or obsolete
computer junk I would have been all set. I thought selling old 23
channel Cbs was illegal because of the power.There was a real dealer at
the one so I got a new VX 150 from them.Got home and there was no
paperwork in the box. Went back to get it at 11:45 AM. The thing was
suppose to last till 1PM.
Everyone was already packing up all their junk.This dealer had no time
to find my manual and stuff and said they would mail it.Took 2 weeks.
Lucky for me I found a manuel on line. I'll still try different ham
fests but if the granddaddy was a bust I don't know about the small
clubs.


Michael A. Terrell May 22nd 06 10:24 PM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
"John S." wrote:

Internet based sales have a huge advantage over in-place sales like
Dayton. Ebay and other sales sites can as we all know bring sellers
from around the world at any time of the day. It just isn't possible
to get that kind of coverage at an arena in Ohio.



E-bay and other on line auctions can never replace spotting a part or
piece of equipment you need that isn't worth the dealers time to list,
or would cost too much to ship. More than once I've asked about
something and was told to take it, so they didn't have to haul it home.
I've never seen an E-bay listing giving something away, and paying the
shipping to your door.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Ron in Radio Heaven May 22nd 06 10:38 PM

Dayton HamFest killed by E-Bay
 
managed to get to one 35 minutes before official opening time.
I was surpised to see the smart buyers already walking out with
boxes full of all the good stuff !
The best items sell, as the spots are still being set up.


Shuuuu, don't tell everyone. That's half to reason to get a
flea market space. That way most of the time you get in
before the general public and scoop up the good deals....

Ron
--

Radio Collection Web Page,
http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com




clfe May 22nd 06 10:55 PM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
...
"John S." wrote:

Internet based sales have a huge advantage over in-place sales like
Dayton. Ebay and other sales sites can as we all know bring sellers
from around the world at any time of the day. It just isn't possible
to get that kind of coverage at an arena in Ohio.



E-bay and other on line auctions can never replace spotting a part or
piece of equipment you need that isn't worth the dealers time to list,
or would cost too much to ship. More than once I've asked about
something and was told to take it, so they didn't have to haul it home.
I've never seen an E-bay listing giving something away, and paying the
shipping to your door.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida


You have a point there - not that I totally agree with the poster you
replied to. I've had some real bargains "handed" to me so they didn't have
to be hauled home.
Actually, each venue has its own place in life. Problem with Dayton and
other hamfests is between fuel costs and so on - there are more and more
factors involved keeping people away. Ham radio itself isn't what it used to
be. Then, some clubs who've had them - as I've heard it - had inner battles
as to how things are to be done and so on. So club politics played a part
along the line. I'm sure we could list many reasons for failures as they're
being seen. Question is, who has the "answers"? Times are changing. Things
change with time and I see it here in my own town - People DO NOT like
change. I'm sorry to see some things go too - but there's not much you can
do about some things.



John S. May 22nd 06 11:55 PM

Ebay & "The Market"
 

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
"John S." wrote:

Internet based sales have a huge advantage over in-place sales like
Dayton. Ebay and other sales sites can as we all know bring sellers
from around the world at any time of the day. It just isn't possible
to get that kind of coverage at an arena in Ohio.



E-bay and other on line auctions can never replace spotting a part or
piece of equipment you need that isn't worth the dealers time to list,
or would cost too much to ship. More than once I've asked about
something and was told to take it, so they didn't have to haul it home.
I've never seen an E-bay listing giving something away, and paying the
shipping to your door.

Clearly Ebay and other internet sites won't completely replace in
person sales, be it a hamfest, garage sale or estate auction. But the
ease of bringing large numbers of buyers and sellers together via some
internet connection has had a significant impact on brick and mortar
operations. The ease of transacting a sale electronically be it for a
Kenwood 940 or a spinning wheel can't be ignored. And the sellers that
fail to react in some way will be left behind.


CAINE May 23rd 06 12:06 AM

Dayton HamFest killed by E-Bay
 
I have a friend who's a professional flea marketeer, he told me that
for an 8 AM opening time, he's already walking around at 6:30 AM buying
stuff- and by the time the public gets there, the stuff that's worth
$200, that was selling for $25-50, is gone- other marketeers already
bought it

then, they put it on ebay when they get home

what doesn't sell, goes back to the market 2 weeks later

constant cycle

the average joe can get lucky here and there, and find some stuff under
bushels, etc., or from someone that set up late, or someone that
finally moved off a high price

but for the most part, the VERY early bird, gets the worm


CAINE May 23rd 06 12:10 AM

Ebay & "The Market"
 
anything you see sitting at a flea market late in the day, was most
likely already tried on ebay, and didn't reach reserve, or got no bids.
sometimes you'll see stuff at flea markets that seems valuable, and
underpriced, and no one is biting

that's cuz the marketeers already know, that particular item is
hammered on ebay, too many listed, and the price is down- so they are
cutting their losses and just dumping it

marketeers will tell you, they'd rather sell it cheaper at the show,
than for slightly more on ebay- because of ebay and paypal fees, and
packaging work involved- and nitpicking assholes like DeserTBob on
EBay, who want gold for a penny and free shipping


CAINE May 23rd 06 12:10 PM

Dayton HamFest killed by E-Bay
 
you've obviously never been to our local flea markets here, Peter

I bought a pair of speakers for $10, that sold for $400 on ebay


RadioGary May 23rd 06 03:43 PM

Dayton HamFest killed by E-Bay
 
I'll have to agree with this. I found what I was looking for plus an
old Allied A2516 tube ham receiver practically given away because it
had a blown fuse and missing cover screws. Other than that a great
time seeing old friends, alot of new stuff, and the weather was
perfect. I don't think Ebay can steal any of that. Maybe it wasn't
the best place to find antique radios, but it's a HAMfest and old
radios are not the majority of what you find there. If anyone thinks
that the crowd is less because of Ebay, wrong!! Hamfest numbers have
drifted downward in the past few years due to diminishing ranks in Ham
Radio. Now if this were a computer show you'd see a bigger crowd.
In short, you get what you get out of a Hamfest. Just because you
don't find alot of give aways at the flea market doesn't mean it's a
disaster. There is always plenty of other things to do. This is true
for the smaller hamfests as well.



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