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Dayton HamFest
Just returned from the Dayton HamFest; only found a coupla SW receivers for
sale, used, high-ish prices; quite a few old tube receivers way overpriced, and of course the new ones at normal to slightly high prices. Disappointing. |
Dayton HamFest
please contact me if you still want your DX-394 upgraded
"Lisa Simpson" wrote in message .. . Just returned from the Dayton HamFest; only found a coupla SW receivers for sale, used, high-ish prices; quite a few old tube receivers way overpriced, and of course the new ones at normal to slightly high prices. Disappointing. |
Dayton HamFest
Just replied via my yahoo account . . .
"mike maghakian" wrote in message ... please contact me if you still want your DX-394 upgraded "Lisa Simpson" wrote in message .. . Just returned from the Dayton HamFest; only found a coupla SW receivers for sale, used, high-ish prices; quite a few old tube receivers way overpriced, and of course the new ones at normal to slightly high prices. Disappointing. |
Dayton HamFest
I wouldn't go to Dayton if y'all paid me.
cuhulin |
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That radio isn't worth upgrading.It's a piece of junk.
cuhulin |
Dayton HamFest
On 2006-05-20 15:52:43 -0400, said:
I wouldn't go to Dayton if y'all paid me. cuhulin We don't want you there genius. |
Dayton HamFest
On Sun, 21 May 2006 11:23:47 GMT, Barry's Leftnut wrote: On 2006-05-20 15:52:43 -0400, said: I wouldn't go to Dayton if y'all paid me. cuhulin We don't want you there genius. daytons day is gone. poeple comeing back say how bad it is and not togo agian. killed by ebay and qrz.com it isn tany good aney more. mark p.s. eat**** andie in nyc |
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Ron wrote:
I have only been to Dayton once and found it interesting. If I was within 200 miles I would probably go there every year but being on the other side of the country once will have to do. The Flea Market is nice but that cannot be the only reason for one to go to Dayton. There are numerous other activities going on all the time and I believe if one goes to Dayton they should make them the main priority instead of the Flea Market. Almost anything can be bought online nowadays so to go to Dayton to haul home a car full of junk just doesn't make since anymore. So how about a Dayton without a Flea Market ? Are we all so much into the Junk of our Hobby that we forgot the human element? all no enough fraid so indeed I likely would not go to a hamfest without vendor the normal reason Go is to stock on them and hoe maybe something else will turn up Just my two cent worth. Ron WA0KDS |
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Faraday wrote: wrote: I wouldn't go to Dayton if y'all paid me. cuhulin We'll pay you not to go to Dayton. well if were him I start the bidding |
Dayton HamFest
Dayton,according to my Rand McNally Road Atlas,population of 169,400.Not
far North of Cincy town. cuhulin |
Dayton HamFest
I like Dayton and I have never even been there before.I wonder if good
old Rosie in Lima,Ohio and her gang are spending the weekend at Indian Lake? cuhulin |
Dayton HamFest killed by E-Bay
lemonhead wrote:
"Lisa Simpson" wrote in message .. . Just returned from the Dayton HamFest; only found a coupla SW receivers for sale, used, high-ish prices; quite a few old tube receivers way overpriced, and of course the new ones at normal to slightly high prices. Disappointing. I was there for 4 hours on Saturday. Nothing but old test equipment and computer junk. Only reason to go anymore is to meet people, albeit an expensive one. Never again will I goto Dayton. It's day has ended, period. E-Bay and private ad's on places like QRZ.com have killed it. Not worth the effort anymore. Actually Ebay didn't kill the Dayton Hamfest. In the 1980's it was being handled as though it was still the 1950's and full of stuff that had been carted between too many hamfests. Dayton is dying because the promoters made the conscious decision to do nothing. |
Ebay & "The Market"
After reading all this, and with the recent Kutztown event in the
background, as well as my three weekend finds, I am not so sure eBay has much to do with anything as to radio prices or availability. This is based on several assumptions which I will list for correction/addition/amplification: a) the west, southwest and south in general suffer from a dearth of good radios. This has been the case for the over 20 years I have been in the hobby and remains the case today. Exceptions include Florida & Maryland... stretch to make MD a 'southern' state although it is below the Mason/Dixon line. b) the Pacific northwest suffers from the same lack to a lesser degree. With this in mind, eBay has always been a presence in areas where the natural crop is limited or non-existent. This group will typically have a view of radios that is wildly distorted in price, as they start with the "everything costs $15" mentality based on shipping alone. As one moves east especially into (former) wealthier parts of it, and around older major cities (Chicago, Minneapolis, Detroit and so forth), radios become thicker and thicker until one hits the East Coast, where even the most limited multi-family garage sale will offer a few examples of *something* loosely described as being related to the hobby. Then, at Kutztown, the typical $30+shipping eBay brown bakelite radio goes in the $15-if-that range at the end-of-meet auction. And the $229-for-a-common-RCA (albeit polished to glow-in-the-dark proportions) simply does not happen. So, it is "all according to" location and opportunity. Kutztown is a free-to-the-public event held at a major Farmers' Market/Antique Market that also has weekly tables for anyone selling. Accordingly its attendance is disproportionately large and consists of a disproportionate amount of the "general public" walking through out of curiosity and because they were 'there anyway'. This would not happen at a destination-event if only because of the lack of general publicity as much as the uninterested public would never go nor have any reason to even be proximate that they might go. And, of course, the admission fee would deter those few that did happen to be straggling nearby. I will also state for the record that Kutztown had _at least_ thousands of radios in all states, of all types and in all price ranges, from high-end, high-tube-count consoles through lovingly restored tabletops through standard junk. The peripheral events are limited... no hotel-banquet-hall lectures, but those few were directly on-point and even of interest to non-radio people (The talk on Crystal sets, for example). So, from purely anecdotal evidence, it appears that those venues where the general public is not actively solicited, those venues that are 'preaching to the converted' are shrinking. Those that do solicit the general public, those that run at (apparently) a much lower key appear to be growing. The two local examples would be the DVHRC-sponsored events (Kutztown, PA) and the NJARC-sponsored events (Hazelet, NJ). Those of you that go to the NEARC events in Nashua, New Hampshire... how are they doing? I hear from some acquaintances that they are doing quite well? And I also hear that Rochester is a mere shadow of its former self? Is this true? In any case, I remain of the general belief that eBay is not a significant factor in the hobby to those in the east. And to those in the west or out-of-range of large, older population centers, it has _always_ been a factor, neither more nor less much than now. The thoughts of others are actively solicited! Peter Wieck Wyncote, PA |
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Peter Wieck wrote:
a) the west, southwest and south in general suffer from a dearth of good radios. This has been the case for the over 20 years I have been in the hobby and remains the case today. Exceptions include Florida & Maryland... stretch to make MD a 'southern' state although it is below the Mason/Dixon line. According to the snowbirds from the New England area, Florida is the southern tip of new England. :( -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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good points.
The local flea markets here, always seem so barren of good stuff. So I managed to get to one 35 minutes before official opening time. I was surpised to see the smart buyers already walking out with boxes full of all the good stuff ! The best items sell, as the spots are still being set up. |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Hambone the Porkbutter wrote: Do the $$$ homework boys - you guys that run these ham events are screwin yerselves faster than Barbaro broke his leg last week. So, you're saying that the price hasn't changed that much since I left Ohio in the late '80s? Do you think that they get Hara Arena for free, or all the cops and bus service for park and ride? I think many think they do or more precisely that the Ham have already paid the nation for those services by our "public service" |
Ebay & "The Market"
On 2006-05-22, Peter Wieck wrote:
In any case, I remain of the general belief that eBay is not a significant factor in the hobby to those in the east. And to those in the west or out-of-range of large, older population centers, it has _always_ been a factor, neither more nor less much than now. The thoughts of others are actively solicited! As a rank newbie (not even licensed, yet) I more or less have to agree. Here in the San Francisco Bay Area (SFBA) where there are at least a couple local ARC swap meets per month, I see none of the stuff found on ebay in the way of classic old ham equipment. Hell, I can't even find a used morse code key to practice on. I'm gonna hafta buy a new Ameco from HRO. Not quite sure exactly why this is. Perhaps most of SFBA ppl are all digitally oriented due to Silicon Valley being the original hot-bed of digital. Whatever the reason, old Collins, Drake, Heathkit, etc, rigs are rarer than cheap gas and low real estate prices. On the positive side of the ledger, due to the glory days of the late great SV, there's hardly a man or woman alive in Northern California that can't fly a Fluke or wield a mean Weller. I'll be flogging my own acid-free flux and have already bought my first QRP kit with my eye on another. nb |
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" wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote: Hambone the Porkbutter wrote: Do the $$$ homework boys - you guys that run these ham events are screwin yerselves faster than Barbaro broke his leg last week. So, you're saying that the price hasn't changed that much since I left Ohio in the late '80s? Do you think that they get Hara Arena for free, or all the cops and bus service for park and ride? I think many think they do or more precisely that the Ham have already paid the nation for those services by our "public service" I was curious about the way it was run so I talked to the group that organized the event every year. You wouldn't believe the crap they have to wade through to run a hamfest that size, even though the money raised is used to provide emergency communications for the area. -- My sig file can beat up your sig file! |
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On Mon, 22 May 2006 16:16:51 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: According to the snowbirds from the New England area, Florida is the southern tip of new England. :( snip I thought the Noo Yawkuhs declared it an eighth borough. At least they vote correctly! |
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"CAINE" wrote in message oups.com... good points. The local flea markets here, always seem so barren of good stuff. So I managed to get to one 35 minutes before official opening time. I was surpised to see the smart buyers already walking out with boxes full of all the good stuff ! The best items sell, as the spots are still being set up. I have to agree. I got to Dayton last year shortly after the opening, and there were already some R5000's and some beautiful old Hallicrafters that already had "sold" tags on them. --Mike L. |
Dayton HamFest
Oh Yeah - try being a vendor at hamfests
Add em up Travel $30 to $300 Booth cost Typical $250 - Some fests charge extra for power Hotel costs $120 to $350 Food $45 The small item vendor has to sell a ton of stuff just to break even At one ham fest I guy offered me 1/3 price for a book I relied "Which Chapter do you want?" -- CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! |
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I've gone 5 of the past 6 years.
4 years ago there was a tent full of old AS/400 CPUs. Less of that this year. Still, a lot of junk every year. People wanting high-dollar for very-worn equipment. That was disappointing. What gets me is the guys selling bootleg MS software for big bucks. Illegal as all get-out. But tolerated, apparently, by HamVention. They could get in big trouble. That would be sad. But it's not the only way that the WWW has changed Dayton. It's changed the whole of communication. Repeater/IP connections may be nifty, but they're not radio. Collin KC8TKA |
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Just park down @ the church for just $5.
What got me this year was the police sign about ticketing jaywalkers. Sheesh. Is Barney Fife now the sheriff? |
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They way the Cubs are playing, don't be so certain.
:) |
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Yeah, I was gonna go on Friday, but work wouldn't allow it : {
"Michael Lawson" wrote in message ... "Lisa Simpson" wrote in message .. . Just returned from the Dayton HamFest; only found a coupla SW receivers for sale, used, high-ish prices; quite a few old tube receivers way overpriced, and of course the new ones at normal to slightly high prices. Disappointing. Last year when I went on a Friday, I found numerous Icoms, Kenwoods and the occasional Drake for sale. My suspicion is that Friday is the day to go, because the prices weren't too bad for, say, an R71A compared to what you get on eBay for it (shipping included). Of course, the best part is that you get to try the darn thing out first before you buy it, so you'll know if you're getting a lemon. That's probably why our favorite eBayer isn't usally at Dayton to sell things, even though it's not a far drive for him. I went through about 4-5 Hallicrafters SX-100's before I found one that I liked enough to buy. For my money, the most overpriced item was a Hammarlund HQ-180A that was covered in rust and crud and someone was asking $500 for it. --Mike L. |
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Cheesehead wrote:
Just park down @ the church for just $5. What got me this year was the police sign about ticketing jaywalkers. Sheesh. Is Barney Fife now the sheriff? Maybe it has something to do with the number of people hit by a car or truck, and the number of other accidents they cause when they step out in front of a moving vehicle. I've seen quite a few wrecks going to, and leaving large hamfests that could have been avoided by keeping foot traffic away from the vehicular traffic. -- My sig file can beat up your sig file! |
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DeserTBoB wrote:
On Mon, 22 May 2006 16:16:51 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: According to the snowbirds from the New England area, Florida is the southern tip of new England. :( snip I thought the Noo Yawkuhs declared it an eighth borough. At least they vote correctly! Ya think it migt be related to the huge infestation of them during November? -- My sig file can beat up your sig file! |
Ebay & "The Market"
Peter Wieck wrote: After reading all this, and with the recent Kutztown event in the background, as well as my three weekend finds, I am not so sure eBay has much to do with anything as to radio prices or availability. This is based on several assumptions which I will list for correction/addition/amplification: Internet based sales have a huge advantage over in-place sales like Dayton. Ebay and other sales sites can as we all know bring sellers from around the world at any time of the day. It just isn't possible to get that kind of coverage at an arena in Ohio. To the extent that buyer and seller are honest (and most are) internet sales work very well because money and the good to be sold have to be moved only once. It is for the exact same reason that in-person antique shows are having a hard go of it. |
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"Peter Wieck" ) writes:
I was curious about the way it was run so I talked to the group that organized the event every year. You wouldn't believe the crap they have to wade through to run a hamfest that size, even though the money raised is used to provide emergency communications for the area. THAT is the single largest obstacle to these events. It is not simply a matter of finding a vacant bit of ground and throwing up a few signs. In this lawsuit-happy society, there is Insurance (liability, property, fire, and so forth), staffing, cleaning, trash-removal, contacting food vendors (and verifying their insurance) and much, much more. Is whatever equipment you are providing also insured? What about any electrical devices? Fences? Guide ropes? ADA compliant? Sufficient facilities? Will food be served? Are they insured? Licensed in *that* township? Board-of-Health certificates? What about the servers? Any contraband/knock-offs/unlicensed material being sold? Sales tax collected? And so forth. Not small. My wife's church (a very small one) carries a $1,000,000 policy on any internal events held by non-church groups _AND_ they insist that these groups also carry a *specific* policy for the event. So it is not just collecting table-fees and admission-fees. I still think that closed-ended events for dedicated hobbyists are bad ideas anyway, but I am not unsympathetic to the complications involved. But in some ways, Dayton may be an exception, or at least one of a handful of exceptions. Dayton is big because it draws people, not just from the local area but from far away. Costs go up as size goes up. I'm willing to accept that some hamfests are "insider" events. But you're right that hamfests should be used as a recruitment tool, and certainly the smaller they get the more their survival requires a wider swatch of the population. The local hamfests here in Montreal do not publicize outside of ham circles. At least, I don't see it and if I didn't know about the ham clubs and the hamfests I'd not know that they were happening. For most of a decade, I've at least posted to the local buy and sell newsgroup when one of the hamfests is about to happen, and less regularly I post about the others. I'm not sellng the hamfest, but trying to get the word out. I give the details, but also a spiel because I'm aware that people who don't know need to be informed. I make the point that visiting is a way of finding out about amateur radio, and that the hamfest can be a valuable resource for non-ham. Shortwave listeners may find things of interest, the electronic hobbyist will find things, and of course in recent years computer types may find things. And while few will see the message, relative speaking, it may be the only time most of the readers see a mention of amateur radio in that year. The way I see it, it's not just about selling tickets to the hamfest, but it's an excuse to get amateur radio out into the world. When I was a kid, I found out about the hobby because there was an article in a general purpose magazine. I found out that the rules were about to change to allow people under fifteen to get licenses in the local paper. But that sort of thing happens less and less. At the very least, some promotion of the hamfest is a means of letting new people see something about the hobby, and maybe pursuing it further. And sustainability is a factor. The biggest of the local hamfests is fairly small. SOme years back, one had to cancel because they'd not sold enough tables ahead of time, the next year they came back in a much smaller space that doesn't allow for growth. Had they been promoting the fleamarket outside ham circles ahead of time, they could have attracted "fellow travellers", the SWLs and the electronic hobbyists and even the computer types, to fill the empty tables. Michael VE2BVW |
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I am a new Ham and have been to two ham fests this year put on by local
clubs. Very disappointing. I thought maybe I could get some used equipment since I had none. If I had been looking for 23 channel CBs or obsolete computer junk I would have been all set. I thought selling old 23 channel Cbs was illegal because of the power.There was a real dealer at the one so I got a new VX 150 from them.Got home and there was no paperwork in the box. Went back to get it at 11:45 AM. The thing was suppose to last till 1PM. Everyone was already packing up all their junk.This dealer had no time to find my manual and stuff and said they would mail it.Took 2 weeks. Lucky for me I found a manuel on line. I'll still try different ham fests but if the granddaddy was a bust I don't know about the small clubs. |
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"John S." wrote:
Internet based sales have a huge advantage over in-place sales like Dayton. Ebay and other sales sites can as we all know bring sellers from around the world at any time of the day. It just isn't possible to get that kind of coverage at an arena in Ohio. E-bay and other on line auctions can never replace spotting a part or piece of equipment you need that isn't worth the dealers time to list, or would cost too much to ship. More than once I've asked about something and was told to take it, so they didn't have to haul it home. I've never seen an E-bay listing giving something away, and paying the shipping to your door. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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managed to get to one 35 minutes before official opening time.
I was surpised to see the smart buyers already walking out with boxes full of all the good stuff ! The best items sell, as the spots are still being set up. Shuuuu, don't tell everyone. That's half to reason to get a flea market space. That way most of the time you get in before the general public and scoop up the good deals.... Ron -- Radio Collection Web Page, http://www.radioheaven.homestead.com |
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"Michael A. Terrell" wrote in message
... "John S." wrote: Internet based sales have a huge advantage over in-place sales like Dayton. Ebay and other sales sites can as we all know bring sellers from around the world at any time of the day. It just isn't possible to get that kind of coverage at an arena in Ohio. E-bay and other on line auctions can never replace spotting a part or piece of equipment you need that isn't worth the dealers time to list, or would cost too much to ship. More than once I've asked about something and was told to take it, so they didn't have to haul it home. I've never seen an E-bay listing giving something away, and paying the shipping to your door. -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida You have a point there - not that I totally agree with the poster you replied to. I've had some real bargains "handed" to me so they didn't have to be hauled home. Actually, each venue has its own place in life. Problem with Dayton and other hamfests is between fuel costs and so on - there are more and more factors involved keeping people away. Ham radio itself isn't what it used to be. Then, some clubs who've had them - as I've heard it - had inner battles as to how things are to be done and so on. So club politics played a part along the line. I'm sure we could list many reasons for failures as they're being seen. Question is, who has the "answers"? Times are changing. Things change with time and I see it here in my own town - People DO NOT like change. I'm sorry to see some things go too - but there's not much you can do about some things. |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote: "John S." wrote: Internet based sales have a huge advantage over in-place sales like Dayton. Ebay and other sales sites can as we all know bring sellers from around the world at any time of the day. It just isn't possible to get that kind of coverage at an arena in Ohio. E-bay and other on line auctions can never replace spotting a part or piece of equipment you need that isn't worth the dealers time to list, or would cost too much to ship. More than once I've asked about something and was told to take it, so they didn't have to haul it home. I've never seen an E-bay listing giving something away, and paying the shipping to your door. Clearly Ebay and other internet sites won't completely replace in person sales, be it a hamfest, garage sale or estate auction. But the ease of bringing large numbers of buyers and sellers together via some internet connection has had a significant impact on brick and mortar operations. The ease of transacting a sale electronically be it for a Kenwood 940 or a spinning wheel can't be ignored. And the sellers that fail to react in some way will be left behind. |
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I have a friend who's a professional flea marketeer, he told me that
for an 8 AM opening time, he's already walking around at 6:30 AM buying stuff- and by the time the public gets there, the stuff that's worth $200, that was selling for $25-50, is gone- other marketeers already bought it then, they put it on ebay when they get home what doesn't sell, goes back to the market 2 weeks later constant cycle the average joe can get lucky here and there, and find some stuff under bushels, etc., or from someone that set up late, or someone that finally moved off a high price but for the most part, the VERY early bird, gets the worm |
Ebay & "The Market"
anything you see sitting at a flea market late in the day, was most
likely already tried on ebay, and didn't reach reserve, or got no bids. sometimes you'll see stuff at flea markets that seems valuable, and underpriced, and no one is biting that's cuz the marketeers already know, that particular item is hammered on ebay, too many listed, and the price is down- so they are cutting their losses and just dumping it marketeers will tell you, they'd rather sell it cheaper at the show, than for slightly more on ebay- because of ebay and paypal fees, and packaging work involved- and nitpicking assholes like DeserTBob on EBay, who want gold for a penny and free shipping |
Dayton HamFest killed by E-Bay
you've obviously never been to our local flea markets here, Peter
I bought a pair of speakers for $10, that sold for $400 on ebay |
Dayton HamFest killed by E-Bay
I'll have to agree with this. I found what I was looking for plus an
old Allied A2516 tube ham receiver practically given away because it had a blown fuse and missing cover screws. Other than that a great time seeing old friends, alot of new stuff, and the weather was perfect. I don't think Ebay can steal any of that. Maybe it wasn't the best place to find antique radios, but it's a HAMfest and old radios are not the majority of what you find there. If anyone thinks that the crowd is less because of Ebay, wrong!! Hamfest numbers have drifted downward in the past few years due to diminishing ranks in Ham Radio. Now if this were a computer show you'd see a bigger crowd. In short, you get what you get out of a Hamfest. Just because you don't find alot of give aways at the flea market doesn't mean it's a disaster. There is always plenty of other things to do. This is true for the smaller hamfests as well. |
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