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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:37:36 GMT, "David Eduardo"
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The fact is, most listeners do not have more than a few hundred favorite
songs in any genre. Several recent surveys have shown that the average
number of songs on an iPod is around 300! When you go beyond that number, in
most formats or genres, you are playing songs that listeners don't really
like, which is hardly a gain.

The way this was determined was by people trying out songs on focus
groups, but who picks the songs?

I guarantee you I could do a station with a thousand hits and it would
be #1.

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On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:37:36 GMT, "David Eduardo"
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The fact is, most listeners do not have more than a few hundred favorite
songs in any genre. Several recent surveys have shown that the average
number of songs on an iPod is around 300! When you go beyond that number,
in
most formats or genres, you are playing songs that listeners don't really
like, which is hardly a gain.

The way this was determined was by people trying out songs on focus
groups, but who picks the songs?

I guarantee you I could do a station with a thousand hits and it would
be #1.

It has been tried.

1. There are not 1000 hits in most formats (an exception or two exist)
2. when tried, the station with fewer and better songs wins in inverse
proportion to library size.

I had a station come after my classic rocker a few years ago. We had under
500 songs. They did 1,800. We had a 20 share, they had a 1.8.

Years before, I tried doing double the cuts of a leading AC. I lost big.
Listeners gave the variety image to the other station because they played
better music.

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"David Eduardo" wrote in message
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The fact is, most listeners do not have more than a few hundred favorite
songs in any genre. Several recent surveys have shown that the average
number of songs on an iPod is around 300! When you go beyond that number,
in most formats or genres, you are playing songs that listeners don't
really like, which is hardly a gain.

Calling the limiting of a playlist to songs most people like, as opposed
to songs they don't like, is hardly "censorship." It is more like "common
sense."

The reason Baskin Robbins does not have 1000 flavors is that most people
like the same 8 or 10, and occasionally try one or another in an array of
30 to 40. Same with music.

Big difference between ice cream flavors and the number of songs people
like. I find it hard to believe that anyone would limit themselves to a
300 song playlist... that would (and does) drive me totally mad. My
personal library of mp3's (not CD's, I have thousands of those) has over
4500 tracks, all but a handful of which were Billboard Hot 100 or Top 100
Country, and more than 9/10 were Top 40. Some of those that were not in
the Hot 100 were released before Billboard charts existed, and were in the
top 30 of the charts of their day. ~97% of the library is tracks that were
popular during my lifetime from about 5 years old on.

I may be a little eccentric, but I can't believe that the average person
would like only ~7% of the music they hear over a lifetime.. or I doubt
radio would exist. Certainly a 'Top 40' chart would be superfluous..

Radio plays songs that are hits today.... most songs from the past were hits
but are not appealing for many reasons today.

When you actually play songs for real listeners, you find that there is a
very short list in any mass appeal format of songs that are currently
appealing.

The #1 station in San Antonio, which has been #1 for 5 years, played 57
songs for its first 6 months, and plays about 110 songs now.

The #1 music station in LA plays less than 300 songs, and it has been in the
top three or four stations for 16 years.

What listeners do, if they have a variety of tastes, is look for the best of
each genre on different stations. So if you like several genres, you hear
the 300 to 500 best on three different stations... a total of over 1000
songs. And you will find that mood determines genre choice at any one
moment... so you just can't play multiple genres on a single station in most
cases. The exceptions are very rare.

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Brenda Ann wrote:

Big difference between ice cream flavors and the number of songs people
like. I find it hard to believe that anyone would limit themselves to a
300
song playlist... t

You'd be surprised.

Some people buy an LP and only listen to one or two tracks. Some buy
45s and never listen to the flipside.

Some people go into a particular restaurant and ALWAYS order one
certain thing. Not everyone has very broad tastes in music.

Besides, consider the fact that most "normal" people may listen to the
radio for a couple hours a day, instead of having it constantly playing
like us radio geeks; they probably won't notice the repetition.

Good point. The average use of radio is just over 19 hours a week by the
average American. That is a little over 2 hours a day, so the repetition is
not going to be at all noticeable.

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David Eduardo wrote:
"Stephanie Weil" wrote in message
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Brenda Ann wrote:

Big difference between ice cream flavors and the number of songs people
like. I find it hard to believe that anyone would limit themselves to a
300
song playlist... t

You'd be surprised.

Some people buy an LP and only listen to one or two tracks. Some buy
45s and never listen to the flipside.

Some people go into a particular restaurant and ALWAYS order one
certain thing. Not everyone has very broad tastes in music.

Besides, consider the fact that most "normal" people may listen to the
radio for a couple hours a day, instead of having it constantly playing
like us radio geeks; they probably won't notice the repetition.

Good point. The average use of radio is just over 19 hours a week by the
average American. That is a little over 2 hours a day, so the repetition is
not going to be at all noticeable.

I hear the same "hits" on KFOG all the time. It's the songs I can't
stand that I noticed the most. Who the hell wants to hear the Cars do
"best friend's girlfriend" in 2006. Hell, I don't want to hear any song
by the Cars. They are so last century...The same with Queen, Madness,
Yes, and similar bands that really don't stand the test of time.

I guess the point is my 300 songs won't be your 300 songs, but if they
play 3000 songs, at least my list will be covered.

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David Eduardo wrote:
"Stephanie Weil" wrote in message
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Brenda Ann wrote:

Big difference between ice cream flavors and the number of songs
people
like. I find it hard to believe that anyone would limit themselves to
a
300
song playlist... t

You'd be surprised.

Some people buy an LP and only listen to one or two tracks. Some buy
45s and never listen to the flipside.

Some people go into a particular restaurant and ALWAYS order one
certain thing. Not everyone has very broad tastes in music.

Besides, consider the fact that most "normal" people may listen to the
radio for a couple hours a day, instead of having it constantly playing
like us radio geeks; they probably won't notice the repetition.

Good point. The average use of radio is just over 19 hours a week by the
average American. That is a little over 2 hours a day, so the repetition
is
not going to be at all noticeable.

I hear the same "hits" on KFOG all the time. It's the songs I can't
stand that I noticed the most. Who the hell wants to hear the Cars do
"best friend's girlfriend" in 2006. Hell, I don't want to hear any song
by the Cars. They are so last century...The same with Queen, Madness,
Yes, and similar bands that really don't stand the test of time.

I guess the point is my 300 songs won't be your 300 songs, but if they
play 3000 songs, at least my list will be covered.

.... and everyone will hate it.

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David Frackelton Gleason, posing as 'Eduardo' and trying to hide the fact that
he's just white trash outta Cleveland wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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David Frackelton Gleason, posing as 'Eduardo', Univision Radio's paid
shill and
pedantic prancer wrote:

"Steve" wrote in message
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David Eduardo wrote:
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Whatever. I can't imagine what motivates you to post this crap here.
You know you aren't going to sell us on IBOC, so why waste your
time?

It realtes to DX as HD uses specturm. It also shows that there is a
lot
of
sentiment for it in radio, and it is unlikely it will go away. There
was
noting like this support for AM stereo...


But no one in this group cares. No one is interested in what you have
to say, so why bother?

Actually, some are. I have even received e-mails on the subject from
readers
of the group.

If you are not interested in the subject, you are, like DXass, playing
ostrich. You may not like what I post, so ignore my postings. But HD is
going to be on most of the viable AMs in the US in a few years.

And you are always playing hide the head up the ass, dip****!

Say 100 times into the mirror.

Oh, look. It is a bigot masquerading as a bad DXer.

Bigot?

You're a member of La Raza and you've got the nerve to call me a bigot.

Shame on you, you worthless prancing prick.

You may now return to digitally manipulating yourself.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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David Eduardo wrote:

Good point. The average use of radio is just over 19 hours a week by the
average American. That is a little over 2 hours a day, so the repetition is
not going to be at all noticeable.

But there's been some research that people only really want to listen
to a song 15 times or so, and the peak is at about the fifth hearing,
after that their enjoyment of it drops way off. (New Scientist,
about 5 years ago).

Mark Zenier
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

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"dxAce" wrote in message
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Oh, look. It is a bigot masquerading as a bad DXer.

Bigot?

You're a member of La Raza and you've got the nerve to call me a bigot.

Being of "La Raza" means being a working class, blue collar Mexican. I am
not that.

I _am_ a member of the National Council of la Raza, which uses a totally
different meaning for the term.

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David Frackelton Gleason, posing as 'Eduardo', so shunned by his family that he
was 'exported' from Cleveland wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Oh, look. It is a bigot masquerading as a bad DXer.

Bigot?

You're a member of La Raza and you've got the nerve to call me a bigot.

Being of "La Raza" means being a working class, blue collar Mexican. I am
not that.

I _am_ a member of the National Council of la Raza, which uses a totally
different meaning for the term.

So, at least you admit to being a bigot.

Run along now, shill.

dxAce
Michigan
USA