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Default Wellbrook ALA1530 next to a RF Systems DX1 Pro

The ALA1530 active antenna arrived on loan on the 30th June
The ALA is mounted on the same pole as the RF Systems DX1 Pro,
but about 1 m down, so
it is about 10m off the deck and is orientated N/S.
I have checked the continuity and the ALA1530 is working fine with
full
power at the head.

On LF the DX1 Pro hears things that are unheard on the ALA
e.g. 515 CW, MAJ Majuba is quite clear on the DX1 but not heard on the
ALA1530, and the same with various others.
252 LW Germany faint on the DX1 but unheard on the ALA
361 CW ASN Ascension clear on the DX1 but barely audible on the ALA
More or less the same on MW band - DX1 is much clearer and stronger
1050 MW Brazil quite clear on DX1 but unreadable on ALA

Then I worked the HF bands from 3 mhz up to 18 mhz
Here the DX1 remains the strongest and clearest, but the ALA also puts
in a
good performance.

RFI and noise suppression. I didn't notice that the ALA was quieter
noisewise than my DX1, nor does it suppress the harsh RFI I have here.
I did
spend a half hour with the help of Willie and Dawn rotating it in
various
directions, but it could not suppress the RFI noise.

I have always had the opinion that the DX1 Pro is a superior performer
as
I have had some outstanding catches over the years.
_________________________________

John Plimmer, Montagu, Western Cape Province, South Africa
South 33 d 47 m 32 s, East 20 d 07 m 32 s
Icom IC-7700, Icom IC-756 PRO III with MW mods
ERGO software
Drake SW8. Sangean 803A
Sony 7600D, GE SRIII, Redsun RP2100
Antenna's RF Systems DX 1 Pro Mk II, Datong AD-270
Kiwa MW Loop.
http://www.dxing.info/about/dxers/plimmer.dx
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On Jul 1, 2:56*am, John Plimmer wrote:
The ALA1530 active antenna arrived on loan on the 30th June
* The ALA is mounted on the same pole as the RF Systems DX1 Pro,
but about 1 m down, so
it is about 10m off the deck and is orientated N/S.
I have checked the continuity and the ALA1530 is working fine with
full
power at the head.

On LF the DX1 Pro hears things that are unheard on the ALA
e.g. 515 CW, MAJ Majuba is quite clear on the DX1 but not heard on the
ALA1530, and the same with various others.
252 LW Germany faint on the DX1 but unheard on the ALA
361 CW ASN Ascension clear on the DX1 but barely audible on the ALA
More or less the same on MW band - DX1 is much clearer and stronger
1050 MW Brazil quite clear on DX1 but unreadable on ALA

Then I worked the HF bands from 3 mhz up to 18 mhz
Here the DX1 remains the strongest and clearest, but the ALA also puts
in a
good performance.

RFI and noise suppression. I didn't notice that the ALA was quieter
noisewise than my DX1, nor does it suppress the harsh RFI I have here.
I did
spend a half hour with the help of Willie and Dawn rotating it in
various
directions, but it could not suppress the RFI noise.

I have always had the opinion that the DX1 Pro is a superior performer
as
I have had some outstanding catches over the years.
_________________________________

John Plimmer, Montagu, Western Cape Province, South Africa
South 33 d 47 m 32 s, East 20 d 07 m 32 s
Icom IC-7700, Icom IC-756 PRO III with MW mods
ERGO software
Drake SW8. Sangean 803A
Sony 7600D, GE SRIII, Redsun RP2100
Antenna's RF Systems DX 1 Pro Mk II, Datong AD-270
Kiwa MW Loop.http://www.dxing.info/about/dxers/plimmer.dx


I use the ALA100 with my own loop. You can get more aperture by
rolling your own loop, and you save a bit of money. Also, you can make
it into a portable system. The ALA100 is a fantastic product with one
big bug, namely the use of a BNC on a device that could be used
outdoors. [You need to put it in a NEMA box for permanent outdoor use.
Now granted, I've bought lots of pro-gear that expects NEMA box use a
well, i.e. the assume you are doing system integration.] Also note
that the Wellbrook loops are not shielded. They interact with whatever
metal is nearby.

Note that the Wellbrook 1530 loop isn't big enough for LW. They might
say it is, but trust me, it isn't. Using the ALA100, it doesn't begin
to really kick ass until you have about 25ft of wire on it. I've used
40ft loops in the boonies.

I've been testing out my antenna using HFDL, which gives you position
data on the transmitting source.
http://www.lazygranch.com/temp/pchfd...07012009_1.jpg
http://www.lazygranch.com/temp/pchfd...07012009_2.jpg
This is 7000 statute miles of data reception, a tougher criteria than
CW or voice. The noise rejection of the Wellbrook design helps under
these conditions.

I've done side by side comparisons with the KIWA loop. The KIWA isn't
as good as my ALA100 setup IF (big if) you use a good radio. The KIWA
is filtered, so it often covers up for the lack of filtering in your
receiver.
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I've been testing out my antenna using HFDL, which gives you position
data on the transmitting source.
http://www.lazygranch.com/temp/pchfd...07012009_1.jpg
http://www.lazygranch.com/temp/pchfd...07012009_2.jpg
This is 7000 statute miles of data reception, a tougher criteria than
CW or voice. The noise rejection of the Wellbrook design helps under
these conditions.

I've done side by side comparisons with the KIWA loop. The KIWA isn't
as good as my ALA100 setup IF (big if) you use a good radio. The KIWA
is filtered, so it often covers up for the lack of filtering in your
receiver.


7,000 miles digital on 50 Watts?

http://psk.gladstonefamily.net/pskmap.html
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Vacuum tube shaped USB sound card.
www.techchee.com

You orts to gitcha one of those.
Vacuum Tubes, the auld days of Radio.

Speakin of Auld Days, have you ever read about the Alldays and Onions
Cars? I have, over fifty years ago.If you go to Pebble Beach, you might
see one of those cars over there.
cuhulin

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Allah me, why not take Allah me.
Allah want for Christmas is my two front teeth.
Allah board!

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Vacuum tube shaped USB sound card.
www.techchee.com

You orts to gitcha one of those.
Vacuum Tubes, the auld days of Radio.

Speakin of Auld Days, have you ever read about the Alldays and Onions
Cars? I have, over fifty years ago.If you go to Pebble Beach, you might
see one of those cars over there.
cuhulin






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On Jul 2, 7:59*pm, "metoo" wrote:
- Allah me, why not take Allah me.
- Allah want for Christmas is my two front teeth.
- Allah board!

aLLAH aLLAH oXEN fREAK !
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On Jul 2, 12:46*pm, dave wrote:
wrote:

I've been testing out my antenna using HFDL, which gives you position
data on the transmitting source.
http://www.lazygranch.com/temp/pchfd...07012009_1.jpg
http://www.lazygranch.com/temp/pchfd...07012009_2.jpg
This is 7000 statute miles of data reception, a tougher criteria than
CW or voice. The noise rejection of the Wellbrook design helps under
these conditions.


I've done side by side comparisons with the KIWA loop. The KIWA isn't
as good as my ALA100 setup IF (big if) you use a good radio. The KIWA
is filtered, so it often covers up for the lack of filtering in your
receiver.


7,000 miles digital on 50 Watts?

http://psk.gladstonefamily.net/pskmap.html


Generally what you get with HFDL is a series of routes that make
sense. For instance, you monitor Alaska, and you get routes to Alaska.
But there is often an odd route or two that shows up. Using internet
tracking, you can see if the flight makes sense. But these flights
that are at a long distance need two things in common. One, they need
to be squittering on a frequency that really doesn't make sense for
the area. Two, it probably needs a sweet spot.

Are there some instructions regarding your psk map?
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John Plimmer wrote:
The ALA1530 active antenna arrived on loan on the 30th June
The ALA is mounted on the same pole as the RF Systems DX1 Pro,
but about 1 m down, so
it is about 10m off the deck and is orientated N/S.
I have checked the continuity and the ALA1530 is working fine with
full
power at the head.

On LF the DX1 Pro hears things that are unheard on the ALA
e.g. 515 CW, MAJ Majuba is quite clear on the DX1 but not heard on the
ALA1530, and the same with various others.
252 LW Germany faint on the DX1 but unheard on the ALA
361 CW ASN Ascension clear on the DX1 but barely audible on the ALA
More or less the same on MW band - DX1 is much clearer and stronger
1050 MW Brazil quite clear on DX1 but unreadable on ALA

Then I worked the HF bands from 3 mhz up to 18 mhz
Here the DX1 remains the strongest and clearest, but the ALA also puts
in a
good performance.

RFI and noise suppression. I didn't notice that the ALA was quieter
noisewise than my DX1, nor does it suppress the harsh RFI I have here.
I did
spend a half hour with the help of Willie and Dawn rotating it in
various
directions, but it could not suppress the RFI noise.

I have always had the opinion that the DX1 Pro is a superior performer
as
I have had some outstanding catches over the years.
_________________________________

John Plimmer, Montagu, Western Cape Province, South Africa
South 33 d 47 m 32 s, East 20 d 07 m 32 s
Icom IC-7700, Icom IC-756 PRO III with MW mods
ERGO software
Drake SW8. Sangean 803A
Sony 7600D, GE SRIII, Redsun RP2100
Antenna's RF Systems DX 1 Pro Mk II, Datong AD-270
Kiwa MW Loop.
http://www.dxing.info/about/dxers/plimmer.dx


Darn it, John, now I have to consider getting a DX 1 Pro Mk II. I've
read up on the DX 1 and grounding seems to be a critical issue with
getting your $$$ from the unit. If I may ask, what sort of ground system
are you using with it and was it a big deal to get a good ground.

Thank you!

John Barnard

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On Jul 6, 10:59*pm, John Barnard wrote:
Darn it, John, now I have to consider getting a DX 1 Pro Mk II. I've
read up on the DX 1 and grounding seems to be a critical issue with
getting your $$$ from the unit. If I may ask, what sort of ground system
* are you using with it and was it a big deal to get a good ground.

Thank you!

John Barnard-


Hi JB - the grounding is necessary to help suppress local RFI and
ensure a good radio ground for top performance. Mine is just a copper
strap about 8 ft long buried under nine inches of soil = nothing
elaborate.

Considering my poor QTH the DX1 has been a top performer over the
years.

JP
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Mr.Plimmer, do you ever pick up any real Good Music like this?
http://www.incallander.co.uk/music/w...ntainthyme.wav
cuhulin



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