Did they actually pull off that deal with GTE for service.
I was there training some of those ****ers.



RP Jones wrote:

Could it be they don't want to do anymore service, perhaps it cheaper just
to replace those new off seas plastic cheap ones one under warrantee.
I called them about a Tek 2232 and someone on the other end got all ****ed
off, said call GTE for service ?

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
Tektronix is trying to manipulate the oscilloscope market. Today I learned
from
my local dealership that they are required by contract to destroy every
scope
which is traded in for a new Tektronix scope, regardless of age or
condition. So
if you decide to trade in that old scope for a Tektronix, know ahead of
time
that it is NOT going to end up in the hands of a ham, or of some kid
learning
and experimenting in electronics on a tight budget like I was thir... er,
twenty
years ago. No, Tektronix needs to raise their profits by destroying every
used
scope they can get their greedy little hands on, regardless of who feels
the
pinch!










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On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:36:38 -0500, Radioman wrote:

Come to think of it, HP ain't the old HP anymore, huh?

They even advertise, The New HP!

IIRC HP broke into several different companies - the one that makes
computers absorbed Compaq (or was it the other way around) and the
one that makes printer stuff is the "new HP".

The one that made (from the start) and still makes some of the best
test equipment now has a new name.

It shudd'a been the other way around.

--
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

I don't know I wasn't stupid enough to even think about calling GTE.
Actually "now that I remember"
I had called Tek to enquire about a 465 B faceplate, this guy totally "lost
his wig" before I even got to speak about owning a 2232.
$^% 465 !! jokingly told me "THIS ISN'T SANFORD AND SON"

I have since sold the 2232 and baught 465B and a little NLS battery operated
(NLS are VERY very nice people, they sent me a manual, alignment/service
procedure and schematic free!! )
I also have a 545 on a cart to I use in the basement (winter) people love
looking at it

-RP


"private" wrote in message
...
Did they actually pull off that deal with GTE for service.
I was there training some of those ****ers.



RP Jones wrote:

Could it be they don't want to do anymore service, perhaps it cheaper
just
to replace those new off seas plastic cheap ones one under warrantee.
I called them about a Tek 2232 and someone on the other end got all
****ed
off, said call GTE for service ?

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
Tektronix is trying to manipulate the oscilloscope market. Today I
learned
from
my local dealership that they are required by contract to destroy
every
scope
which is traded in for a new Tektronix scope, regardless of age or
condition. So
if you decide to trade in that old scope for a Tektronix, know ahead
of
time
that it is NOT going to end up in the hands of a ham, or of some kid
learning
and experimenting in electronics on a tight budget like I was thir...
er,
twenty
years ago. No, Tektronix needs to raise their profits by destroying
every
used
scope they can get their greedy little hands on, regardless of who
feels
the
pinch!










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"RP Jones" wrote in message .. .
I don't know I wasn't stupid enough to even think about calling GTE.
Actually "now that I remember"
I had called Tek to enquire about a 465 B faceplate, this guy totally "lost
his wig" before I even got to speak about owning a 2232.
$^% 465 !! jokingly told me "THIS ISN'T SANFORD AND SON"

I have since sold the 2232 and baught 465B and a little NLS battery operated
(NLS are VERY very nice people, they sent me a manual, alignment/service
procedure and schematic free!! )
I also have a 545 on a cart to I use in the basement (winter) people love
looking at it

-RP


"private" wrote in message
...
Did they actually pull off that deal with GTE for service.
I was there training some of those ****ers.



RP Jones wrote:

Could it be they don't want to do anymore service, perhaps it cheaper
just
to replace those new off seas plastic cheap ones one under warrantee.
I called them about a Tek 2232 and someone on the other end got all
****ed
off, said call GTE for service ?

"Frank Gilliland" wrote in message
...
Tektronix is trying to manipulate the oscilloscope market. Today I
learned
from
my local dealership that they are required by contract to destroy
every
scope
which is traded in for a new Tektronix scope, regardless of age or
condition. So
if you decide to trade in that old scope for a Tektronix, know ahead
of
time
that it is NOT going to end up in the hands of a ham, or of some kid
learning
and experimenting in electronics on a tight budget like I was thir...
er,
twenty
years ago. No, Tektronix needs to raise their profits by destroying
every
used
scope they can get their greedy little hands on, regardless of who
feels
the
pinch!










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isn't it true that the older stuff is built like a battleship and
isn't as proprietary and can be repaired with user obtainable parts?
I always heard tek for scopes and hp for analyzers. Any thoughts on
that?

In (rec.radio.amateur.homebrew), gw wrote:

isn't it true that the older stuff is built like a battleship and
isn't as proprietary and can be repaired with user obtainable parts?
I always heard tek for scopes and hp for analyzers. Any thoughts on
that?

My experience is that HP scopes are OK-to-great, while Tek scopes
are excellent-to-superb. Similarly, HP generators and analyzers are
excellent-to-superb, while OK-to-great.

There are other manufacturers that make excellent-to-superb hardware,
such as Fluke.

--
Mike Andrews

Tired old sysadmin

With out doubt, most new hardware looks like its built to be thrown away
and crushed.
"Built in absolesance" Its a dam shame !
Id agree on Tek for scopes and HP for analyzers, if you look on Ebay HP
"as is" scopes with problems must out number the Tek's 10-1.
(Many developed push button/switchpad related problems)

"gw" wrote in message isn't it true that the older
stuff is built like a battleship and
isn't as proprietary and can be repaired with user obtainable parts?
I always heard tek for scopes and hp for analyzers. Any thoughts on
that?

The saddest problems I have found with the HP gear is purely their own
fault. When they made the horizontal timing knobs for their 80's
vintage scopes, they made them out of plastic, and carved large slots in
the space between the outer part you turn with your fingers and the
inner part that turns the knob. This left very little plastic to take
the torque of turning the knob. Once they break there is no easy way
of repairing them.

The other big problem is their use of delrin gears with aluminum hubs
just about everywhere. And after 15 years, they are all broken. The
HP8640B is built like a tank, but everyone I have ever had came with
several gears that had split due to shrinkage.

-Chuck

RP Jones wrote:
With out doubt, most new hardware looks like its built to be thrown away
and crushed.
"Built in absolesance" Its a dam shame !
Id agree on Tek for scopes and HP for analyzers, if you look on Ebay HP
"as is" scopes with problems must out number the Tek's 10-1.
(Many developed push button/switchpad related problems)

"gw" wrote in message isn't it true that the older
stuff is built like a battleship and

isn't as proprietary and can be repaired with user obtainable parts?
I always heard tek for scopes and hp for analyzers. Any thoughts on
that?

On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 11:46:28 -0500, Chuck Harris
wrote:

The saddest problems I have found with the HP gear is purely their own
fault. When they made the horizontal timing knobs for their 80's
vintage scopes, they made them out of plastic, and carved large slots in
the space between the outer part you turn with your fingers and the
inner part that turns the knob. This left very little plastic to take
the torque of turning the knob. Once they break there is no easy way
of repairing them.
That sounds just like the knobs used in the HT 32, 33, and SX101
series. They have a very thin flange, or lip around the front that is
very fragile. I saw one on e-bay a couple days ago that was described
as excellent, yet it had at least two sections of that lip missing.


The other big problem is their use of delrin gears with aluminum hubs
just about everywhere. And after 15 years, they are all broken. The
HP8640B is built like a tank, but everyone I have ever had came with
several gears that had split due to shrinkage.

But Delrin is very easy to machine.
Also unless the gears are of a very odd size (most are spur gears or a
pair of 45 degree bevel gears) that can be replaced with something
more modern and durable.

I do like a lot of the new, lighter weight gear as I have a bad back.
(Probably from man handling that old stuff that takes two good size
men to load it into a trailer)

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

-Chuck

RP Jones wrote:
With out doubt, most new hardware looks like its built to be thrown away
and crushed.
"Built in absolesance" Its a dam shame !
Id agree on Tek for scopes and HP for analyzers, if you look on Ebay HP
"as is" scopes with problems must out number the Tek's 10-1.
(Many developed push button/switchpad related problems)

"gw" wrote in message isn't it true that the older
stuff is built like a battleship and

isn't as proprietary and can be repaired with user obtainable parts?
I always heard tek for scopes and hp for analyzers. Any thoughts on
that?

"RP Jones" wrote in message . ..
With out doubt, most new hardware looks like its built to be thrown away
and crushed.
"Built in absolesance" Its a dam shame !
Id agree on Tek for scopes and HP for analyzers, if you look on Ebay HP
"as is" scopes with problems must out number the Tek's 10-1.
(Many developed push button/switchpad related problems)

"gw" wrote in message isn't it true that the older
stuff is built like a battleship and
isn't as proprietary and can be repaired with user obtainable parts?
I always heard tek for scopes and hp for analyzers. Any thoughts on
that?

what is a good spectrum analyzer to have for a home shop in your
opinion, and also what is a good scope to have and do you have to
break the bank on this stuff? thanks.

what is a good spectrum analyzer to have for a home shop in your
opinion, and also what is a good scope to have and do you have to
break the bank on this stuff? thanks.

What specs do you want, and how much do you want to spend? The HP 141T
series is great for technically-inclined hams. Very maintainable, very
reliable once you understand its quirks, very competitive performance...
and very big and heavy. Typically $1K or less on eBay for a working
outfit.

Tek's 492-497 series are also excellent analyzers. Newer and much more
portable than the 141T series, but still easily maintainable (via parts
units and aftermarket suppliers, not through Tek). Quite a bit more
expensive in most cases. $2K - $7K depending on model and options.

HP 8560-series analyzers are also very nice; I have no personal
experience with these, though. Stay away from the cheaper (8557/8/9) HP
units. Tek's older 491 is probably also best avoided in favor of the
141T line (this is probably where the saying "HP for analyzers" came
from.)

Tek analyzers from the 2780 series should also be avoided by most users.
They are still extremely expensive ($7K and up), and like the older
490/2750 analyzers no parts or manuals can be ordered from Tek anymore.
However, unlike the 490/2750 units, they can be calibrated only with
special PC-based configurations connected to specific test sources via
GPIB and running obsolete software. Worse, Tek supported them only via
module exchange, never releasing any component-level schematics. These
are very powerful instruments, but keeping a 2782 or 2784 running
nowadays would be a serious, ongoing research project in itself. These
were symptomatic of the "bean-counter" generation at Tek, where customer
needs were considered secondary to high-priced, proprietary product
support and finite market lifetime.

-- jm

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