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Old December 15th 03, 01:24 AM
Mike Coslo
 
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Bill Turner wrote:

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:39:24 GMT, Mike Coslo
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There is no *need* for the modern Ham to know anything!



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More fuzzy thinking.

In my opinion, the *primary* purpose of a ham license is to assure that
the licensee has sufficient technical knowledge to keep accidental
interference to the minimum possible. This includes interference to
other hams, commercial and government services, consumers and others.


Most hams are now appliance operators. And cb'ers prove that you don't
have to be licensed to run plenty of power on HF. Finally, F.C.C.
enforcement actions indicate that tested hams are perfectly capable of
causing interference.

Don't be confusing the past with the present.


Knowledge of CW is not part of the equation.


Knowledge is not part of the equation if it is decided so. And that is
the important thing. There are a couple groups that think that tossing
out CW is a good thing. One is those that don't like CW because they
think it represents an anachronism, and is keeping people out because it
is too hard for people to learn Morse CW. Th other group is people who
want it gone because they want as little as possible between themselves
and a license. And as little as possible includes nothing. You might not
like your allies very much, Bill, but there they are.

I suggest that you read what the NCVEV and W5YI are proposing:

http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/08/07/3/?nc=1

but.... more interesting is:

http://www.qsl.net/al7fs/NCVECplan.doc

a doc they put out.

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Old December 15th 03, 01:26 AM
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Bill Turner wrote:

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 18:41:49 GMT, Mike Coslo
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We could get a lot more Hams if we dropped the writtens too!

- Mike KB3EIA -



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If you want a lot more hams, that would do it. Would that be a good
idea?


Heck no! My point in all this is that right now, those who want to make
amateur radio reeeaaal easy are winning the game!

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Old December 15th 03, 03:13 AM
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:52:18 GMT, Mike wrote:

CW maybe antiquated but it still serves a purpose


What purpose? Who of importance do you dit-dah with? No one!

NO ONE USES CW...


ROTFLMAO!

And the moon is made of green cheese.

This "Mike" guy probably believes that too, LOL!!

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Old December 15th 03, 02:22 PM
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Don't forget to mention having to shoe a horse to qualify you for a driver's
license....

Unfortunately, the decision to drop CW is too little, too late to revive the
Amateur Radio Service. The "League" has already laid it to rest with too
many decades of looking progressively backwards and relying too much on anal
rebreathing apparatus to provide their insight......


"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.

Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn

it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or not,
CW is TOAST!




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Old December 15th 03, 02:26 PM
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"CW Sucks" ?
That isn't pompous enough to satisfy the average CW Supporter...

You have to meet their level of self importance with an analogy that is
fitting to their elitist roots. Try this:

CW has a massive propensity for insidious morphalation.... (CW Sucks)


"ergo" wrote in message
news:hPVCb.387233$275.1243513@attbi_s53...
CODE SUCKS
Repeat 1,000,000 times

"K5IN" wrote in message
...
Yes, and we all learned to walk before we ran? Riding a horse is

still
an approved method of transport the last time I looked. What's to say

that
running isn't a approved method of transport too except for those of

that
are too lazy to do it. CW maybe antiquated but it still serves a

purpose,
if only to motivate the lazy into doing something to gain an end and for
that reason it should be condemned? I think not.

Calculators: they should outlaw the ability to hand write long division

or
multiplication? we could go on forever in this way couldn't we. I

normally
don't respond to these kind of inflammatory statements but this one was

one
I had to write back to as it was so out of bounds. I did it and am of

the
opinion even the most lazy can learn 5 words per minute cw.
"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we

should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to

use
a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.

Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to

learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as

CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it.

Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or

not,
CW is TOAST!










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Old December 15th 03, 02:29 PM
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See, I told you you needed to be more elitist before they would grasp the
semantics of simplicity.

CW has a massive propensity for insidious morphalation....

That is fitting for any elitist attitude to get a grip on. Says the same
thing, but passes the pompous ass test.


"ff-paramedic" wrote in message
...
Spoken like a true no-code tech.

"ergo" wrote in message
news:hPVCb.387233$275.1243513@attbi_s53...
CODE SUCKS
Repeat 1,000,000 times

"K5IN" wrote in message
...
Yes, and we all learned to walk before we ran? Riding a horse is

still
an approved method of transport the last time I looked. What's to say

that
running isn't a approved method of transport too except for those of

that
are too lazy to do it. CW maybe antiquated but it still serves a

purpose,
if only to motivate the lazy into doing something to gain an end and

for
that reason it should be condemned? I think not.

Calculators: they should outlaw the ability to hand write long

division
or
multiplication? we could go on forever in this way couldn't we. I

normally
don't respond to these kind of inflammatory statements but this one

was
one
I had to write back to as it was so out of bounds. I did it and am of

the
opinion even the most lazy can learn 5 words per minute cw.
"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we

should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to

use
a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.
Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic'

or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to

learn
it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as

CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it.

Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it

or
not,
CW is TOAST!










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Old December 15th 03, 05:20 PM
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Here we have a loser who just trying to yank someone's chain, it worked,
look at a the replies. What the future of amateur radio ? If you go out and
make contact with some the current batch of cbers, and you will see it. No
requirements of any kind, if there is the test, you will have seen the
answers before hand.

Jim, kf4tun


"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.

Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn

it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or not,
CW is TOAST!




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Old December 15th 03, 07:43 PM
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Time to add a few comments to this tread...

My personal feeling is one way to turn Ham Radio around is to make it
into a Sport (like it has become anyway). Yes Contesting is a Sport so
why not push this aspect more than anything. Yes CW Contesting takes
skill that needs to be learned just like any other Sport and takes
practice and more practice. Good Phone Contesting also take skill and
practice. So I believe we need to take this to the schools, get it set
up as an extra curriculum, get scholarships set up for college, etc......

This could be the future of Ham radio or at least for the HF bands.






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Old December 15th 03, 10:30 PM
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In article , Ronald Oberloh wrote:
Time to add a few comments to this tread...

My personal feeling is one way to turn Ham Radio around is to make it
into a Sport (like it has become anyway). Yes Contesting is a Sport so
why not push this aspect more than anything. Yes CW Contesting takes
skill that needs to be learned just like any other Sport and takes
practice and more practice. Good Phone Contesting also take skill and
practice. So I believe we need to take this to the schools, get it set
up as an extra curriculum, get scholarships set up for college, etc......

This could be the future of Ham radio or at least for the HF bands.


can we start by hunting down and shooting all QRO ops? that's the kind
of sport most QRP ops would like!

:-)



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Old December 15th 03, 10:38 PM
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I am not a big CW buff but I feel the CW requirement is a toll gate for
proving competence. If the CW requirement is lifted I sure hope the
technical requirements are beefed up.
N6KYD
"Hamguy" wrote in message
...
Just because my Great Grandfather had to 'crank start' his car, we should
ALL have to learn how to do it prior to driving. And his wife had to use a
'crank style' telephone, therefore we ALL should have to master that
technology PRIOR to using a cell-phone just because they did.

Additionally,
we should ALL have to learn the computer language known as 'Basic' or
'Fortran' PRIOR to using a PC because I and so many others had to learn

it.
And EVERYONE should be required to learn an antiquated mode known as CW
before they get on HF because some 18th century guy invented it. Either
catch-up with the times, or get the HELL out of the way! Like it or not,
CW is TOAST!




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