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IS IT 73 OR 73`ss ..IS IT NAME OR HANDLE
73 OR 73`ss IN AMATEUR RADIO WE SHOULD USE 73 .
I HEAR PEOPLW ASK ME WHAT MY HANDLE IS ...HUH ? IS THIS A CB LINGO ?? I DO HAVE A NAME NOT A HANDLE.... 73 ! HAVE A GOOD DAY...... |
well Marty old habits are hard to break.... more than half the Hams out
there were x-CB'ers. nothing wrong with that. they will get it right as time goes by.... I've been a HAM for 36 years and started in CB.... I think the proper term for that is two words. "seven three" no "s" K5DRC 10-10 #9151, ISSB # 9224 DAVE ex- KG5XR,WB5LWZ, WN5DQG, WR5ALP, AAT6YC, KRH-4063, KRI-0332, KJO-8973 Since 1968 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------ "Marty B." wrote in message .net... 73 OR 73`ss IN AMATEUR RADIO WE SHOULD USE 73 . I HEAR PEOPLW ASK ME WHAT MY HANDLE IS ...HUH ? IS THIS A CB LINGO ?? I DO HAVE A NAME NOT A HANDLE.... 73 ! HAVE A GOOD DAY...... |
Marty:
73 or 73s .. the idea is the same and neither reduces intelligibility. Name or handle... the idea is the same and neither reduces intelligibility. Personally, I usually say "I hight Paul." After all, this is more classically than either Name or Handle. It does reduce intelligibility, of course, but that seems to be a small price to pay in exchange for being correct. 73(s) Paul AB0SI "Marty B." wrote in message .net... 73 OR 73`ss IN AMATEUR RADIO WE SHOULD USE 73 . I HEAR PEOPLW ASK ME WHAT MY HANDLE IS ...HUH ? IS THIS A CB LINGO ?? I DO HAVE A NAME NOT A HANDLE.... 73 ! HAVE A GOOD DAY...... |
What dos 73 stand for?
good buddy, see you on the flip side. ect. " wrote in message news:Q%lDb.121450$_M.630038@attbi_s54... Marty: 73 or 73s .. the idea is the same and neither reduces intelligibility. Name or handle... the idea is the same and neither reduces intelligibility. Personally, I usually say "I hight Paul." After all, this is more classically than either Name or Handle. It does reduce intelligibility, of course, but that seems to be a small price to pay in exchange for being correct. 73(s) Paul AB0SI "Marty B." wrote in message .net... 73 OR 73`ss IN AMATEUR RADIO WE SHOULD USE 73 . I HEAR PEOPLW ASK ME WHAT MY HANDLE IS ...HUH ? IS THIS A CB LINGO ?? I DO HAVE A NAME NOT A HANDLE.... 73 ! HAVE A GOOD DAY...... |
In looking back at old ham publications from the early 60's, as well as
license guides with operating techniques explained, I have seen the reference to "handle" as appropriate terminology, well before the CB influx. The resistance to the use became evident (at least around here), when 2M got populated by herds of former cb'ers, and I'm not talking no code, I'm talking 1970-80 era, who did everything they could to distance themselves from "Chicken Band" and pretend that they were never there. For a while, the "name" was used on VHF, while oldtimers on HF, especially CW, would refer to "handles". It has since died away. And if 73 causes such consternation, imaging what someone who wished you 88's would bring!! |
It is seventy-thirds
70/3 Because 23.333333333333333333333333 is the value of pi times the square root of the ohms plus the amps. my handle is my wifes business not yours |
As long as it isn't "stubby". Sorry, had to!
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As long as it isn't "stubby". Sorry, had to! .... gives added meaning to "Rubber Duckie"! Ed |
Rubber Duckie
Is a stubby rubber covered antenna. with a fitting to go on your portable. We use to have 3 ft pull out antennas. |
" wrote in message news:Q%lDb.121450$_M.630038@attbi_s54...
Marty: 73 or 73s .. the idea is the same and neither reduces intelligibility. Not correct. "73" (singular) translates to "best wishes" (plural). 73s would thus translate to "best wisheses", which definitely reduces intelligibility. Name or handle... the idea is the same and neither reduces intelligibility. Personally, I usually say "I hight Paul." After all, this is more classically than either Name or Handle. It does reduce intelligibility, of course, but that seems to be a small price to pay in exchange for being correct. Whenever someone asks me for my "handle", I just say "My name is Richard". That gets the point across pretty well. 73(s) Paul AB0SI |
It's not "Best Wishes" but "Best Regards"
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"Richard Cranium" wrote in message
om... " wrote in message news:Q%lDb.121450$_M.630038@attbi_s54... Marty: 73 or 73s .. the idea is the same and neither reduces intelligibility. Not correct. "73" (singular) translates to "best wishes" (plural). 73s would thus translate to "best wisheses", which definitely reduces intelligibility. Name or handle... the idea is the same and neither reduces intelligibility. Personally, I usually say "I hight Paul." After all, this is more classically than either Name or Handle. It does reduce intelligibility, of course, but that seems to be a small price to pay in exchange for being correct. Whenever someone asks me for my "handle", I just say "My name is Richard". That gets the point across pretty well. 73(s) Paul AB0SI "best wishes" is not a true plural. It is idiomatic. One can not parse a language word by word.. Natural language does not work that way. 73s may grate on your ears, but the meaning is completely clear. Paul |
Well to me 73`sss and "HANDLE" reminds me of CB`ers, on the ham bands
and I hate hearing it. "jerry franks" wrote in message ... It's not "Best Wishes" but "Best Regards" |
In article ,
"Marty B." wrote: Well to me 73`sss and "HANDLE" reminds me of CB`ers, on the ham bands and I hate hearing it. "jerry franks" wrote in message ... It's not "Best Wishes" but "Best Regards" It's just 73 and on CW is is 73 de AA5VU AR (or SK) |
My name is Steve
My handle is for the pleasure of my xyl 73 "Marty B." wrote in message .net... Well to me 73`sss and "HANDLE" reminds me of CB`ers, on the ham bands and I hate hearing it. "jerry franks" wrote in message ... It's not "Best Wishes" but "Best Regards" |
73 OR 73`ss IN AMATEUR RADIO WE SHOULD USE 73 .
And this has WHAT to do with radio gear for sale? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 73! de Andy KC2SSB - WPYI880 (GMRS) Beachwood, NJ USA! Grid FM29vw http://vhfradiobuff.tripod.com |
When someone asks me "what is your handle?" I reply, MY NAME is Lou and my
handle is BROKEN....:-) |
The correct term is "73", from ARRL numbered radiogram
"Seventy-Three", which means "Best Regards." Saying 73s would be like saying "Best Regardses." Some people say "Best of 73s", which means "Best of Best Regardses." I have also heard "Very best of 73s", which would translate to "Very Best of Best Regardses." You figure it out. Funny how this is only a debate for 'phone ops. CW ops just send "73", never "73s". "Handle" is not actually a CB term. From my reading of ancient amateur texts, hams used the term "handle" long before CB was an ill-conceived idea in Gettysburg. Over the course of time, however, "handle" has become clearly associated with CB and no longer with amateur radio. I choose to use the term "name" rather than "handle." The one term that I really hate is "personal", as in, "The personal here is Doofus." That's a CB term all the way. While not part of this discussion, I'll also throw in another opinion. 10-codes should be used by CBers and law enforcement professionals, not by radio amateurs. 73, Dean K5DH In article , says... 73 OR 73`ss IN AMATEUR RADIO WE SHOULD USE 73 . I HEAR PEOPLW ASK ME WHAT MY HANDLE IS ...HUH ? IS THIS A CB LINGO ?? I DO HAVE A NAME NOT A HANDLE.... 73 ! HAVE A GOOD DAY...... |
My name is Dave and my handle is aluminum or "aluminium" for the VE's
and G stations |
"Bill" wrote in message . ..
In looking back at old ham publications from the early 60's, as well as license guides with operating techniques explained, I have seen the reference to "handle" as appropriate terminology, well before the CB influx. The resistance to the use became evident (at least around here), when 2M got populated by herds of former cb'ers, and I'm not talking no code, I'm talking 1970-80 era, who did everything they could to distance themselves from "Chicken Band" and pretend that they were never there. For a while, the "name" was used on VHF, while oldtimers on HF, especially CW, would refer to "handles". It has since died away. And if 73 causes such consternation, imaging what someone who wished you 88's would bring!! bill is it necessary for you to rub salt in old wounds???? don't confuse the issue with facts.....we all know that present day hams were never into cb radio and that's a fact jack.....well got to go take a 10-100 and give stevo a 42...be back in a minute..... |
The first authentic use of 73 is in the publication The National Telegraphic
Review and Operators' Guide, first published in April 1857. Keep in mind it started with telegraphic code use. Number codes were used by telegraphers for common phrases. These abbreviations were used in a manner similar to Q signals today. Here's a partial list of old telegraphic number abbreviations: 1 – Wait 2 - Important business 3 - What is the time? 6 - I am ready 7 - Are you ready? 12 - Do you understand? 13 - I understand 14 - What is the weather? 17 - Lightning here 19 - Form 19 train order (used by RR) 21 - Stop to eat 23 - All copy 24 - Repeat this back 30 - No more, end 31 - Form 31 train order (used by RR) 44 - Answer promptly by wire 73 - Best regards 88 - Love and kisses 92 - Deliver promptly 134 - Who is at the key? For the History of 73 see URL: http://ac6v.com/73.htm#73 It then becomes apparent that it is 73 NOT 73's, but many say 73's and everyone knows what is meant. HANDLE has been used by Hams for many many years (more recently by CBers) -- See http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/thesaurus And see that handle is synonymous with NAME and NICKNAME Maybe from the old west -- Whatts yore handle podner ??? But on VHF -- many advise -- talk like you talk on a telephone -- NAME HERE IS But since so many hams use handle -- it is an accepted ham jargon term. As is lots of others -- brick, bird, bug, cans, twisted pair, roger, wallpaper, uncle Charlie, wilco, and lots more at URL: http://ac6v.com/jargon.htm The FIRST PERSONAL is a recent invasion on the Ham bands and comes from CB Radio. Makes old time Hams shudder. All told -- various disciplines have their own jargon and it is best to be familiar with them and don't fight it -- you won't change it for sure. -- 73 From The Wilderness Keyboard |
"Bill Turner" wrote in message
... On 15 Dec 2003 15:45:54 -0800, (Richard Cranium) wrote: Personally, I usually say "I hight Paul." __________________________________________________ _______ Huh? -- I hight Bill, W6WRT Bill: Old and Middle English. Can be used as a passive verb. The sentence above is "I am called Paul" or "I am named Paul" Longfellow and Byron both used it in this sense. Blame it on my mother who insisted on reading Caucer to by defenseless brother and me. Sorry, it was a feeble attempt to show that "correct" usage and intelligibility do not always coincide. Paul AB0SI |
hillbilly3302 wrote:
well Marty old habits are hard to break.... more than half the Hams out there were x-CB'ers. nothing wrong with that. they will get it right as time goes by.... I've been a HAM for 36 years and started in CB.... I think the proper term for that is two words. "seven three" no "s" It seems a little odd for people to get stuffy about 73 vs 73's, when both are designed for Morse CW. If you are speaking, neither is "correct". - Mike KB3EIA - |
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 16:48:40 GMT, "Marty B."
wrote: 73 OR 73`ss IN AMATEUR RADIO WE SHOULD USE 73 . WHY, old man?? Same pointless nit-picking we have all heard until the point that it is a DEAD HORSE That you are beating! I HEAR PEOPLW ASK ME WHAT MY HANDLE IS ...HUH ? IS THIS A CB LINGO ?? NO, OM, we hams have used the term "HANDLE" since way back before there was anything called "Citizens Band." Maybe you haven't been around as a radio amateur as long as some of us! I DO HAVE A NAME NOT A HANDLE.... Right. SOME people choose to have a "handle" too, as in "nick name." I have one. The term handle is not as popular as it used to be among hams but I still hear it frequently and I don't object. Why would I? It's part of our LORE from way back! In case you haven't listened in a few years, CBers often say "personal" instead of "name" or "handle" these days. They used "handle" back in the 1970s trucker CB craze days. You may need to catch up a little, hi hi! Oops!! You are probably offended by ham abbrevaitions like "hi hi" too! ROTFLMAOAU! WHAT does this have to do with trading radios? Zero. Please move the thread where it belongs in: rec.radio.who.cares Lighten up a little puhleez! 73s to you and your family, old timer! |
On Wed, 17 Dec 2003 12:15:05 +0900, "Brenda Ann"
wrote: Nor, for that matter, are the Q-codes. Wasn't there a time when they were not even allowed on phone comms?? Untrue. Some of the grumblers might try to have you THINK that though! There has always been a LOT of freedom of speech on the airwaves for U.S. radio amateurs compared to other countries which used to have some MAJOR restrictions on topics too. |
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:33:33 GMT, "ergo" wrote:
It is seventy-thirds 70/3 Because 23.333333333333333333333333 is the value of pi times the square root of the ohms plus the amps. my handle is my wifes business not yours Ha ha ha ha! GREAT response, and makes as much sense as the message that STARTED this thread! LOL! |
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 16:48:12 GMT, "
wrote: Blame it on my mother who insisted on reading Caucer to by defenseless brother and me. Paul AB0SI Did Chaucer also refer to HIS brother as "BY BROTHER?" : - )) |
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:05:38 GMT, "Bill"
wrote: In looking back at old ham publications from the early 60's, as well as license guides with operating techniques explained, I have seen the reference to "handle" as appropriate terminology, well before the CB influx. Of course this is correct. To suggest otherwise reveals the ignorance of the writer. An innocent enough mistake, but just brought about by their lack of experience in this grand ol' avocation! |
On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 22:20:04 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio
wrote: In article "Marty B." wrote: Good question and one many should have asked before. It is 73 meaning basically "best wishes." You wouldn't say "best wishesssssss" in the plural when it's already plural to begin with. It actually came about from old railroaders that like the rhythmn of the dits and dahs. You are not reading the thread, are you! |
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:13:15 GMT, "Marty B."
wrote: Well to me 73`sss and "HANDLE" reminds me of CB`ers, on the ham bands and I hate hearing it. Wrong again. Hams have always said 73s. I have been hearing it on the ham bands myself since 1963 when I started as an SWL, and you can read it in the CQ and QST magazines from the 1940s and 50s so I don't know when you strange campaigners got into this absurd obsession but you are sadly mistaken. The CBers say "Seventy-thirds" which is REALLY stupid. They also say "personal" and some otjher idiotic things, but hey, why let it ruin your day? If they sound stupid to you, fine. I often say 73s deliberately just to irk some of you pedantic Johnny-come-latelys (grin!) |
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 01:44:32 GMT, "Dick, AA5VU"
wrote: It's just 73 and on CW is is Is is? Is that like 73s ? LOL! As Bill Clinton said. The meaning of the word "IS" is debatable! LOL! |
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 08:14:26 -0800, "Keyboard In The Wilderness"
wrote: It then becomes apparent that it is 73 NOT 73's, but many say 73's and everyone knows what is meant. No apostrophe in 73s, guy! THat would be possessive. "The property of the 73" just makes, no sense. Please use 73s NOT 73's - it annoys me when people use an un-necessary apostrophe! How is THAT for pedantry, guys? |
On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 13:31:24 GMT,
(K5DH) wrote: The correct term is "73", from ARRL numbered radiogram "Seventy-Three", which means "Best Regards." Saying 73s would be like saying "Best Regardses." Again this old saw has already been sawn about 50 times in this thread so you are not bringing and new idea! |
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On Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:59:38 -0700, Dave Hollander
wrote: My name is Dave and my handle is aluminum or "aluminium" for the VE's and G stations Dave - I use dto work a station up in Chattanooga on 40m AM back around 1967 or so, and he had an old K4XXX call BEFORE they had vanity calls to fake others off that you are an O.T. His handle was "Catfish" and he was a great guy. I never found out what his real name was, but he was just a great old-time AM op from way back. None of us had come from the CB ranks back then. We didn't try to recruit CBers until the ham manufacturers thought they should persuade ARRL to pursue it so they could sell more radios. That's when the contentiousness increased I think! YMMV |
wot massage??
wot thread? wot iz amarture radio about? ;) "AF Four Kilo" wrote in message ... On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:33:33 GMT, "ergo" wrote: It is seventy-thirds 70/3 Because 23.333333333333333333333333 is the value of pi times the square root of the ohms plus the amps. my handle is my wifes business not yours Ha ha ha ha! GREAT response, and makes as much sense as the message that STARTED this thread! LOL! |
Bry
Chill Cheers "AF Four Kilo" wrote in message ... blah blah |
It's all pretty simple when you look at the words. 73 is a CW
abbreviation for Best Regards. As no doubt hundreds before me have pointed out, there is already an "s" at the end of regard. If you write out 73's, it becomes Best Regards's. If you write that for a while, instead of 73's, you will come to see how much it butchers the English language. Regards is already a plural word. To add ('s) to the end of regards is to pluralize a plural. My high school English teacher would have a heart attack. I don't know where this all started. If I look at my QSL cards from the 50's I don't see anyone using 73's. I suspect it was born from the "10-4 Good Buddy" crowd. It is a hopeless argument anyway, as a good percentage of today's high school graduates can't read or write properly. The rest of us just have to roll our eyes and accept the inevitable. 73, Dick - W6CCD On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:04:30 -0800, Bill Turner wrote: On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:02:27 GMT, AF Four Kilo wrote: No apostrophe in 73s, guy! ____________________ Huh-uh! Apostrophes are allowed to pluralize non-standard words, including acronyms. Thus QSL's is ok as a plural and so is 73's. |
Actually Dick, I saw in one of the latest QST magazines a letter from
someone involved in the ARRL back in 1918 or so, having written "73s", plus reading old CQ magazines from 1950, I have seen the use of "handle". Not to say I like it or use these that way. Chuck WG2A "Dick" wrote in message ... It's all pretty simple when you look at the words. 73 is a CW abbreviation for Best Regards. As no doubt hundreds before me have pointed out, there is already an "s" at the end of regard. If you write out 73's, it becomes Best Regards's. If you write that for a while, instead of 73's, you will come to see how much it butchers the English language. Regards is already a plural word. To add ('s) to the end of regards is to pluralize a plural. My high school English teacher would have a heart attack. I don't know where this all started. If I look at my QSL cards from the 50's I don't see anyone using 73's. I suspect it was born from the "10-4 Good Buddy" crowd. It is a hopeless argument anyway, as a good percentage of today's high school graduates can't read or write properly. The rest of us just have to roll our eyes and accept the inevitable. 73, Dick - W6CCD On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:04:30 -0800, Bill Turner wrote: On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:02:27 GMT, AF Four Kilo wrote: No apostrophe in 73s, guy! ____________________ Huh-uh! Apostrophes are allowed to pluralize non-standard words, including acronyms. Thus QSL's is ok as a plural and so is 73's. |
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