ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License
 

One of these below will get you there...

Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be locked in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.


http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stor.../01/19/1/?nc=1


Click he ARRLWeb: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free
HF Access

Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be locked in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.


They're planning on eliminating the Advance Class license.


Ed WB6SAT

PRAISE TO THE ALL!!!!!!!
Finally some sense.


"Mark Russo" wrote in message
...
One of these below will get you there...

Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be locked in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.


http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stor.../01/19/1/?nc=1


Click he ARRLWeb: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free
HF Access

In article ,
"Ed G." wrote:


Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be locked in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.


They're planning on eliminating the Advance Class license.


Ed WB6SAT

Yea, you guys will have to take the test over again....
--

That is exactly why they should keep it. People who worked for their General

and passed the code test should not be combined with those who did not.
Just my 2 cents worth.

"Ed G." wrote:


Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be locked in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.

They're planning on eliminating the Advance Class license.

Ed WB6SAT

Just what we need. Lazy belly aching people who want something for nothing.
They'll get the HF bands and not appreciate what they have becuase they
didn't have to work for it. Just like everything else in this country. Make
it conveient or I'll complain and bitch about it and find someway to MAKE
you change it for me. I deeply appreciate my PRIVILEGES on HF because I
worked hard to get them.
I guess the next step is 4 watts RMS and 12 watts PEP and Channelize the
bands and of course NO TESTING!!!! God forbid we should ask them to take a
test..

Dan N0FQN

"Mark Russo" wrote in message
...
One of these below will get you there...

Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be locked in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.


http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stor.../01/19/1/?nc=1


Click he ARRLWeb: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free
HF Access

Isn't this the same thing that happened to the CB culture
in the mid to late 70's? Back then you had to license, but
all of a sudden that was too inconvenient. So licensing was
eliminated and every hemorrhoid could get a radio and ruin
the band.

Mark Russo wrote:
One of these below will get you there...

Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be locked in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.


http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stor.../01/19/1/?nc=1


Click he ARRLWeb: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free
HF Access

Dan Mattingly N0FQN wrote:
Just what we need. Lazy belly aching people who want something for
nothing. They'll get the HF bands and not appreciate what they have
becuase they didn't have to work for it. Just like everything else in
this country. Make it conveient or I'll complain and bitch about it
and find someway to MAKE you change it for me. I deeply appreciate my
PRIVILEGES on HF because I worked hard to get them.
I guess the next step is 4 watts RMS and 12 watts PEP and Channelize
the bands and of course NO TESTING!!!! God forbid we should ask them
to take a test..

Dan N0FQN

It's all part of the "dumbing down of America" that has been going on for
the last 20-30 years. Those fools at the ARRL that are so worried about
protecting "their bands" are playing right into the hands of those who are
trying so hard to take them away from us.

What better way to justify selling off the Amateur bands/hobby to
commercial interests than by ensuring that it becomes just another form of
CB - complete with all the idiots and on-air antics, foul mouths, etc..

(sell all your gear *now* while it is still worth something... :)

73 de W6DKN

What happens with all the Advanced Class licensees who worked
hard to get where they are? Do they just become general class or
are they given Extra Class licenses because the tests they had to take
at the FCC field office were harder than the extra class license of today
and and had to pass a higher code test than required today?
I am not familiar with the plan the FCC has but it will be interesting to
see if the advanced class is treated fairly.

KA0PWW in Minneapolis

"Ed G." wrote in message
. ..


Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be locked in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.


They're planning on eliminating the Advance Class license.


Ed WB6SAT

If I'm not mistaken, they "may" eliminate that class BUT - that only means
they won't test for or issue that class anymore. ANYONE currently holding
such license will continue to hold that class until they upgrade or let it
expire for whatever reason - unless of course the FCC would at some point
make it equivalent to another and make the change themselves. So, if your
license is Advanced and you have to renew it - within the time frame
including the given grace period - and that class has been eliminated,
you'll get another Advanced Class issued to you. That is the way "I"
understood it to be. That is what they did with the others they eliminated.
Go to W5YI or ARRL sites and read through, you should see it there
somewhere. MNS

"Michael Brandt" wrote in message
...
What happens with all the Advanced Class licensees who worked
hard to get where they are? Do they just become general class or
are they given Extra Class licenses because the tests they had to take
at the FCC field office were harder than the extra class license of today
and and had to pass a higher code test than required today?
I am not familiar with the plan the FCC has but it will be interesting to
see if the advanced class is treated fairly.

KA0PWW in Minneapolis

"Ed G." wrote in message
. ..


Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be locked
in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.


They're planning on eliminating the Advance Class license.


Ed WB6SAT

"Ed G." wrote in message
. ..


Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be locked in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.


They're planning on eliminating the Advance Class license.


Ed WB6SAT

Just had a note from a friend of mine. An Advanced, 13wpm licensee. He was
very unhappy that he will be 'lumped' into the new 'welfare extra' class.
Can't say as I blame him one bit.

Dan/W4NTI

Exactly what I was thinking Dan.

Dan/W4NTI

"Dan Mattingly N0FQN" wrote in message
...
Just what we need. Lazy belly aching people who want something for
nothing.
They'll get the HF bands and not appreciate what they have becuase they
didn't have to work for it. Just like everything else in this country.
Make
it conveient or I'll complain and bitch about it and find someway to MAKE
you change it for me. I deeply appreciate my PRIVILEGES on HF because I
worked hard to get them.
I guess the next step is 4 watts RMS and 12 watts PEP and Channelize the
bands and of course NO TESTING!!!! God forbid we should ask them to take a
test..

Dan N0FQN

"Mark Russo" wrote in message
...
One of these below will get you there...

Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be locked in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.


http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stor.../01/19/1/?nc=1


Click he ARRLWeb: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free
HF Access

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:07:20 -0600, "Michael Brandt"
wrote:

What happens with all the Advanced Class licensees who worked
hard to get where they are? Do they just become general class or
are they given Extra Class licenses because the tests they had to take
at the FCC field office were harder than the extra class license of today
and and had to pass a higher code test than required today?
I am not familiar with the plan the FCC has but it will be interesting to
see if the advanced class is treated fairly.

KA0PWW in Minneapolis

You will be grandfathered to Extra Class. :-)

The FCC dropped the Advanced as a new ticket but retained present
holders- and could be renewed. This way they don't. You finally get
what you really earned by taking the older test.

:-)

we'll be just another bunch of CBers.
look at the cesspool of the citizen band.
that's what 'unlicensed' does.
sam

--
toys:
diesel BMW motorcycle, homebuilt electric motorcycle, gold wing trike, honda
gyros, dodge diesel dualie, fiat osca 1500 cabriolet,
W3CYO/R, 145.49, 224.40, 443.300 mhz. repeaters.


"Mark Russo" wrote in message
...
One of these below will get you there...

Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be locked in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.


http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stor.../01/19/1/?nc=1


Click he ARRLWeb: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free
HF Access

2 CENTS=worthless

"Mark Russo" wrote in message
...
That is exactly why they should keep it. People who worked for their
General

and passed the code test should not be combined with those who did not.
Just my 2 cents worth.

"Ed G." wrote:


Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be locked
in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.

They're planning on eliminating the Advance Class license.

Ed WB6SAT

poor baby
here is towel


"Dan Mattingly N0FQN" wrote in message
...
Just what we need. Lazy belly aching people who want something for
nothing.
They'll get the HF bands and not appreciate what they have becuase they
didn't have to work for it. Just like everything else in this country.
Make
it conveient or I'll complain and bitch about it and find someway to MAKE
you change it for me. I deeply appreciate my PRIVILEGES on HF because I
worked hard to get them.
I guess the next step is 4 watts RMS and 12 watts PEP and Channelize the
bands and of course NO TESTING!!!! God forbid we should ask them to take a
test..

Dan N0FQN

"Mark Russo" wrote in message
...
One of these below will get you there...

Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be locked in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.


http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stor.../01/19/1/?nc=1


Click he ARRLWeb: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free
HF Access

stop thinking
it is almost a done deal
wahhhhhhh

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
ink.net...
Exactly what I was thinking Dan.

Dan/W4NTI

"Dan Mattingly N0FQN" wrote in message
...
Just what we need. Lazy belly aching people who want something for
nothing.
They'll get the HF bands and not appreciate what they have becuase they
didn't have to work for it. Just like everything else in this country.
Make
it conveient or I'll complain and bitch about it and find someway to
MAKE
you change it for me. I deeply appreciate my PRIVILEGES on HF because I
worked hard to get them.
I guess the next step is 4 watts RMS and 12 watts PEP and Channelize the
bands and of course NO TESTING!!!! God forbid we should ask them to take
a
test..

Dan N0FQN

"Mark Russo" wrote in message
...
One of these below will get you there...

Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be locked
in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.


http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stor.../01/19/1/?nc=1


Click he ARRLWeb: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License,
Code-Free
HF Access

cry cry babbbyyyyyyy


"HT3" wrote in message
gy.com...
Isn't this the same thing that happened to the CB culture
in the mid to late 70's? Back then you had to license, but
all of a sudden that was too inconvenient. So licensing was
eliminated and every hemorrhoid could get a radio and ruin
the band.

Mark Russo wrote:
One of these below will get you there...

Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be locked in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.


http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stor.../01/19/1/?nc=1


Click he ARRLWeb: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free
HF Access

take the extra class test and stop crying


"Michael Brandt" wrote in message
...
What happens with all the Advanced Class licensees who worked
hard to get where they are? Do they just become general class or
are they given Extra Class licenses because the tests they had to take
at the FCC field office were harder than the extra class license of today
and and had to pass a higher code test than required today?
I am not familiar with the plan the FCC has but it will be interesting to
see if the advanced class is treated fairly.

KA0PWW in Minneapolis

"Ed G." wrote in message
. ..


Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be locked
in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.


They're planning on eliminating the Advance Class license.


Ed WB6SAT

yup
lots of morons here

"Bill Turner" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:43:08 GMT, Mark Russo
wrote:

One of these below will get you there...

__________________________________________________ _______

I wondered who would be the first moron to post this off-topic item on
rec.radio.swap (and other newsgroups).

Now we know.

--
Bill, W6WRT

very unhappy
yup yup

"Dan/W4NTI" w4nti@get rid of this mindspring.com wrote in message
link.net...

"Ed G." wrote in message
. ..


Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be locked
in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.


They're planning on eliminating the Advance Class license.


Ed WB6SAT

Just had a note from a friend of mine. An Advanced, 13wpm licensee. He
was
very unhappy that he will be 'lumped' into the new 'welfare extra' class.
Can't say as I blame him one bit.

Dan/W4NTI

you are brainless

"sammmm" wrote in message
...
we'll be just another bunch of CBers.
look at the cesspool of the citizen band.
that's what 'unlicensed' does.
sam

--
toys:
diesel BMW motorcycle, homebuilt electric motorcycle, gold wing trike,
honda
gyros, dodge diesel dualie, fiat osca 1500 cabriolet,
W3CYO/R, 145.49, 224.40, 443.300 mhz. repeaters.


"Mark Russo" wrote in message
...
One of these below will get you there...

Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be locked in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.


http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stor.../01/19/1/?nc=1


Click he ARRLWeb: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free
HF Access

Well, you can go away if it bothers you.
"sammmm" wrote in message
...
we'll be just another bunch of CBers.
look at the cesspool of the citizen band.
that's what 'unlicensed' does.
sam

--
toys:
diesel BMW motorcycle, homebuilt electric motorcycle, gold wing trike,
honda
gyros, dodge diesel dualie, fiat osca 1500 cabriolet,
W3CYO/R, 145.49, 224.40, 443.300 mhz. repeaters.


"Mark Russo" wrote in message
...
One of these below will get you there...

Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be locked in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.


http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stor.../01/19/1/?nc=1


Click he ARRLWeb: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free
HF Access

Seems I was not the first!!
Don't like it?
oh well.


Bill Turner wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2004 04:43:08 GMT, Mark Russo
wrote:

One of these below will get you there...

__________________________________________________ _______

I wondered who would be the first moron to post this off-topic item on
rec.radio.swap (and other newsgroups).

Now we know.

--
Bill, W6WRT

hey ergo, it is "poor baby, here IS a towel.
Are you from the USA??
Are you a ham?
Go back to CB you keyclown.
Nothing nice to say?
shut up!

ergo wrote:

poor baby
here is towel

"Dan Mattingly N0FQN" wrote in message
...
Just what we need. Lazy belly aching people who want something for
nothing.
They'll get the HF bands and not appreciate what they have becuase they
didn't have to work for it. Just like everything else in this country.
Make
it conveient or I'll complain and bitch about it and find someway to MAKE
you change it for me. I deeply appreciate my PRIVILEGES on HF because I
worked hard to get them.
I guess the next step is 4 watts RMS and 12 watts PEP and Channelize the
bands and of course NO TESTING!!!! God forbid we should ask them to take a
test..

Dan N0FQN

"Mark Russo" wrote in message
...
One of these below will get you there...

Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be locked in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.


http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stor.../01/19/1/?nc=1


Click he ARRLWeb: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free
HF Access

if you are talking about me, you took what I said all wrong.
I too, appreciate MY PRIVILEGES!!
I don't want to be on the same level with the no code folks.
Although there is nothing wrong with them.
I did work a bit harder to get where I am and folks in my position would feel
cheated.


Dan Mattingly N0FQN wrote:

Just what we need. Lazy belly aching people who want something for nothing.
They'll get the HF bands and not appreciate what they have becuase they
didn't have to work for it. Just like everything else in this country. Make
it conveient or I'll complain and bitch about it and find someway to MAKE
you change it for me. I deeply appreciate my PRIVILEGES on HF because I
worked hard to get them.
I guess the next step is 4 watts RMS and 12 watts PEP and Channelize the
bands and of course NO TESTING!!!! God forbid we should ask them to take a
test..

Dan N0FQN

"Mark Russo" wrote in message
...
One of these below will get you there...

Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be locked in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.


http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stor.../01/19/1/?nc=1


Click he ARRLWeb: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free
HF Access

Just had a note from a friend of mine. An Advanced, 13wpm licensee.
He was very unhappy that he will be 'lumped' into the new 'welfare
extra' class. Can't say as I blame him one bit.


I can understand the CW issue, but IMHO, its assinine to claim the
Advanced Class written test was as difficult as the Extra Class.


Ed WB6SAT

It's all part of the "dumbing down of America" that has been going on
for the last 20-30 years.

Seems to me it started back farther than that.... probably in the late
60's when the "new math" was being pushed by pointy headed liberal
educators.



Ed WB6SAT

Ham 12 years
ACS 2nd leader
46 states on 6meter
worked mir SS 100's of stations on sats
control opp 7 repeaters
donate much time and equiptment to fire stations
etc
nothing nice to say?
you STFU
more hams=more emergency people


"Steve Zodiac" wrote in message
...
hey ergo, it is "poor baby, here IS a towel.
Are you from the USA??
Are you a ham?
Go back to CB you keyclown.
Nothing nice to say?
shut up!

ergo wrote:

poor baby
here is towel

"Dan Mattingly N0FQN" wrote in message
...
Just what we need. Lazy belly aching people who want something for
nothing.
They'll get the HF bands and not appreciate what they have becuase
they
didn't have to work for it. Just like everything else in this country.
Make
it conveient or I'll complain and bitch about it and find someway to
MAKE
you change it for me. I deeply appreciate my PRIVILEGES on HF because
I
worked hard to get them.
I guess the next step is 4 watts RMS and 12 watts PEP and Channelize
the
bands and of course NO TESTING!!!! God forbid we should ask them to
take a
test..

Dan N0FQN

"Mark Russo" wrote in message
...
One of these below will get you there...

Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be locked
in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.


http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stor.../01/19/1/?nc=1


Click he ARRLWeb: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License,
Code-Free
HF Access

Whats wrong with this picture?
Girls it is almost over.
Accept or perish.


'I don't want to be on the same level with the no code folks.
Although there is nothing wrong with them.
I did work a bit harder to get where I am and folks in my position would
feel cheated. "

wrote in message
...
if you are talking about me, you took what I said all wrong.
I too, appreciate MY PRIVILEGES!!
I don't want to be on the same level with the no code folks.
Although there is nothing wrong with them.
I did work a bit harder to get where I am and folks in my position would
feel
cheated.


Dan Mattingly N0FQN wrote:

Just what we need. Lazy belly aching people who want something for
nothing.
They'll get the HF bands and not appreciate what they have becuase they
didn't have to work for it. Just like everything else in this country.
Make
it conveient or I'll complain and bitch about it and find someway to
MAKE
you change it for me. I deeply appreciate my PRIVILEGES on HF because I
worked hard to get them.
I guess the next step is 4 watts RMS and 12 watts PEP and Channelize the
bands and of course NO TESTING!!!! God forbid we should ask them to take
a
test..

Dan N0FQN

"Mark Russo" wrote in message
...
One of these below will get you there...

Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be locked
in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.


http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stor.../01/19/1/?nc=1


Click he ARRLWeb: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License,
Code-Free
HF Access

Ed G. wrote:

It's all part of the "dumbing down of America" that has been going on
for the last 20-30 years.


Seems to me it started back farther than that.... probably in the late
60's when the "new math" was being pushed by pointy headed liberal
educators.



Ed WB6SAT
Hi,
Ham radio is dying. Time to hang up my soldering iron and key.
Sad indeed after all those 45 years or so.
73,
Tony, VE6CGX

Another rightwing anti-teacher dork.
Blame yourself.
Wake up America.
Be happy.
Play and have fun.
Dont just chase the dollar.
Hams are cheap and boring.

"Ed G." wrote in message
. ..


It's all part of the "dumbing down of America" that has been going on
for the last 20-30 years.

Seems to me it started back farther than that.... probably in the late
60's when the "new math" was being pushed by pointy headed liberal
educators.



Ed WB6SAT

Sad. So SAD.

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
news:qxlPb.198641$X%5.67452@pd7tw2no...


Ed G. wrote:

It's all part of the "dumbing down of America" that has been going on
for the last 20-30 years.


Seems to me it started back farther than that.... probably in the
late
60's when the "new math" was being pushed by pointy headed liberal
educators.



Ed WB6SAT
Hi,
Ham radio is dying. Time to hang up my soldering iron and key.
Sad indeed after all those 45 years or so.
73,
Tony, VE6CGX

nice list, ergo

and, BTW, I am NOT from the USA, I am a HAM since 1990, CALLSIGNS OE8SOQ and
DD9XX,

what are you guys going to do, if you hear a station from lets say VK, GB,
DL, HB9, and many others, among them rare DX countries? First thing to ask
wether or not they did pass the CW Test? and then not continuing the QSO??
Would this be polite? hamlike? How would your reaction be if some DX ham
offends you like that?
The proposed changes in the ARRL paper saying, that your FCC will grant
lifetime credit for CW all previous licenced novices and techs. All techs
will have general privileges. Will you stop working them on the bands? Will
you resist to give them the point for ten-ten, WAS or whatever they are
chasing? Will you first go to buckmaster or QRZ and look up the callsign to
make shure not to talk to a NON-CW TESTED? This looks like to me as it was
down the years in your country when no white one would have shook hands with
a black man, or driven on the same bus. It is just RASISM. Will you let the
best hobby in the world go down the sewer pipe just for beeing too proud of
taking the CW test some time ago?

I think, that there is no question about the historical weight of CW for
radio comunications worldwide. Nowadays it has no more commercial nor
official impact. It seems to me, that it is the same as knowing how to write
on one of those old TRIUMPH Typwriters or handle one of those old TTY
monsters whith the punched paperstrip. It is a great handycraft to be able
to do this, but is is no more neccesary to learn how to write on one of
those old machines. Ask someone who grew up with the PC keybord to do this -
what will happen?

In my homecountry, Austria, they dropped the requirements for CW test end of
last year. BUT they stated in that law, that CW test can be required by the
applicants in future, as long as the authority can supply CW-EXAMINERS. BTW,
the former nocode Test was the same as for HF, just no CW. So every
Austrian licencee is tested like an EXTRA in the US, exept the CW. And this
is the same in all of the EUROPEAN countries.

Just my half EURO worth

Helmut
OE8SOQ

"ergo" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:0mlPb.93901$5V2.278472@attbi_s53...
Ham 12 years
ACS 2nd leader
46 states on 6meter
worked mir SS 100's of stations on sats
control opp 7 repeaters
donate much time and equiptment to fire stations
etc
nothing nice to say?
you STFU
what is an STFU??
more hams=more emergency people


"Steve Zodiac" wrote in message
...
hey ergo, it is "poor baby, here IS a towel.
Are you from the USA??
Are you a ham?
Go back to CB you keyclown.
Nothing nice to say?
shut up!

ergo wrote:

poor baby
here is towel

"Dan Mattingly N0FQN" wrote in message
...
Just what we need. Lazy belly aching people who want something for
nothing.
They'll get the HF bands and not appreciate what they have becuase
they
didn't have to work for it. Just like everything else in this
country.
Make
it conveient or I'll complain and bitch about it and find someway to
MAKE
you change it for me. I deeply appreciate my PRIVILEGES on HF
because
I
worked hard to get them.
I guess the next step is 4 watts RMS and 12 watts PEP and Channelize
the
bands and of course NO TESTING!!!! God forbid we should ask them to
take a
test..

Dan N0FQN

"Mark Russo" wrote in message
...
One of these below will get you there...

Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be
locked
in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.


http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stor.../01/19/1/?nc=1


Click he ARRLWeb: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License,
Code-Free
HF Access

Helmut wrote:

nice list, ergo

and, BTW, I am NOT from the USA, I am a HAM since 1990, CALLSIGNS OE8SOQ and
DD9XX,

what are you guys going to do, if you hear a station from lets say VK, GB,
DL, HB9, and many others, among them rare DX countries? First thing to ask
wether or not they did pass the CW Test? and then not continuing the QSO??
Would this be polite? hamlike? How would your reaction be if some DX ham
offends you like that?
The proposed changes in the ARRL paper saying, that your FCC will grant
lifetime credit for CW all previous licenced novices and techs. All techs
will have general privileges. Will you stop working them on the bands? Will
you resist to give them the point for ten-ten, WAS or whatever they are
chasing? Will you first go to buckmaster or QRZ and look up the callsign to
make shure not to talk to a NON-CW TESTED? This looks like to me as it was
down the years in your country when no white one would have shook hands with
a black man, or driven on the same bus. It is just RASISM. Will you let the
best hobby in the world go down the sewer pipe just for beeing too proud of
taking the CW test some time ago?

I think, that there is no question about the historical weight of CW for
radio comunications worldwide. Nowadays it has no more commercial nor
official impact. It seems to me, that it is the same as knowing how to write
on one of those old TRIUMPH Typwriters or handle one of those old TTY
monsters whith the punched paperstrip. It is a great handycraft to be able
to do this, but is is no more neccesary to learn how to write on one of
those old machines. Ask someone who grew up with the PC keybord to do this -
what will happen?

In my homecountry, Austria, they dropped the requirements for CW test end of
last year. BUT they stated in that law, that CW test can be required by the
applicants in future, as long as the authority can supply CW-EXAMINERS. BTW,
the former nocode Test was the same as for HF, just no CW. So every
Austrian licencee is tested like an EXTRA in the US, exept the CW. And this
is the same in all of the EUROPEAN countries.

Just my half EURO worth

Helmut
OE8SOQ

Hi, Helmut
For me it is not about learning CW. Looking back the history of ham radio,
I am wondering about the quality of today's operators. Majority of new
ones are just a bunch of glorified CB'ers. That's where my beef is.
Dropping CW requirement is fine with me. And written test is a joke.
Most don't even know which way current flows in a diode or how to
solder. I have better idea, just sell the licences with full previledge
for 1000.00 each to anyone. Getting driver's licence is harder than
getting a ham ticket now.
73,
Tony, VE6CGX

You're right Advanced was harder, Extra was just a bunch of rules, very
little theory.

--
Clif

"Ed G." wrote in message
. ..


Just had a note from a friend of mine. An Advanced, 13wpm licensee.
He was very unhappy that he will be 'lumped' into the new 'welfare
extra' class. Can't say as I blame him one bit.


I can understand the CW issue, but IMHO, its assinine to claim the
Advanced Class written test was as difficult as the Extra Class.


Ed WB6SAT

thank you sir
73

"Helmut" wrote in message
...
nice list, ergo

and, BTW, I am NOT from the USA, I am a HAM since 1990, CALLSIGNS OE8SOQ
and
DD9XX,

what are you guys going to do, if you hear a station from lets say VK, GB,
DL, HB9, and many others, among them rare DX countries? First thing to ask
wether or not they did pass the CW Test? and then not continuing the QSO??
Would this be polite? hamlike? How would your reaction be if some DX ham
offends you like that?
The proposed changes in the ARRL paper saying, that your FCC will grant
lifetime credit for CW all previous licenced novices and techs. All techs
will have general privileges. Will you stop working them on the bands?
Will
you resist to give them the point for ten-ten, WAS or whatever they are
chasing? Will you first go to buckmaster or QRZ and look up the callsign
to
make shure not to talk to a NON-CW TESTED? This looks like to me as it
was
down the years in your country when no white one would have shook hands
with
a black man, or driven on the same bus. It is just RASISM. Will you let
the
best hobby in the world go down the sewer pipe just for beeing too proud
of
taking the CW test some time ago?

I think, that there is no question about the historical weight of CW for
radio comunications worldwide. Nowadays it has no more commercial nor
official impact. It seems to me, that it is the same as knowing how to
write
on one of those old TRIUMPH Typwriters or handle one of those old TTY
monsters whith the punched paperstrip. It is a great handycraft to be able
to do this, but is is no more neccesary to learn how to write on one of
those old machines. Ask someone who grew up with the PC keybord to do
this -
what will happen?

In my homecountry, Austria, they dropped the requirements for CW test end
of
last year. BUT they stated in that law, that CW test can be required by
the
applicants in future, as long as the authority can supply CW-EXAMINERS.
BTW,
the former nocode Test was the same as for HF, just no CW. So every
Austrian licencee is tested like an EXTRA in the US, exept the CW. And
this
is the same in all of the EUROPEAN countries.

Just my half EURO worth

Helmut
OE8SOQ

"ergo" schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:0mlPb.93901$5V2.278472@attbi_s53...
Ham 12 years
ACS 2nd leader
46 states on 6meter
worked mir SS 100's of stations on sats
control opp 7 repeaters
donate much time and equiptment to fire stations
etc
nothing nice to say?
you STFU
what is an STFU??
more hams=more emergency people


"Steve Zodiac" wrote in message
...
hey ergo, it is "poor baby, here IS a towel.
Are you from the USA??
Are you a ham?
Go back to CB you keyclown.
Nothing nice to say?
shut up!

ergo wrote:

poor baby
here is towel

"Dan Mattingly N0FQN" wrote in message
...
Just what we need. Lazy belly aching people who want something for
nothing.
They'll get the HF bands and not appreciate what they have becuase
they
didn't have to work for it. Just like everything else in this
country.
Make
it conveient or I'll complain and bitch about it and find someway
to
MAKE
you change it for me. I deeply appreciate my PRIVILEGES on HF
because
I
worked hard to get them.
I guess the next step is 4 watts RMS and 12 watts PEP and
Channelize
the
bands and of course NO TESTING!!!! God forbid we should ask them
to
take a
test..

Dan N0FQN

"Mark Russo" wrote in message
...
One of these below will get you there...

Seems to me that they should bump up the current General class
to
Advanced class.
This way people who worked hard to get to General will not be
locked
in
with the no code
folks. That seems fair?.


http://www.remote.arrl.org/news/stor.../01/19/1/?nc=1


Click he ARRLWeb: ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License,
Code-Free
HF Access

whine

"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
news:21xPb.205544$JQ1.46984@pd7tw1no...


Helmut wrote:

nice list, ergo

and, BTW, I am NOT from the USA, I am a HAM since 1990, CALLSIGNS OE8SOQ
and
DD9XX,

what are you guys going to do, if you hear a station from lets say VK,
GB,
DL, HB9, and many others, among them rare DX countries? First thing to
ask
wether or not they did pass the CW Test? and then not continuing the
QSO??
Would this be polite? hamlike? How would your reaction be if some DX ham
offends you like that?
The proposed changes in the ARRL paper saying, that your FCC will grant
lifetime credit for CW all previous licenced novices and techs. All
techs
will have general privileges. Will you stop working them on the bands?
Will
you resist to give them the point for ten-ten, WAS or whatever they are
chasing? Will you first go to buckmaster or QRZ and look up the callsign
to
make shure not to talk to a NON-CW TESTED? This looks like to me as it
was
down the years in your country when no white one would have shook hands
with
a black man, or driven on the same bus. It is just RASISM. Will you let
the
best hobby in the world go down the sewer pipe just for beeing too proud
of
taking the CW test some time ago?

I think, that there is no question about the historical weight of CW for
radio comunications worldwide. Nowadays it has no more commercial nor
official impact. It seems to me, that it is the same as knowing how to
write
on one of those old TRIUMPH Typwriters or handle one of those old TTY
monsters whith the punched paperstrip. It is a great handycraft to be
able
to do this, but is is no more neccesary to learn how to write on one of
those old machines. Ask someone who grew up with the PC keybord to do
this -
what will happen?

In my homecountry, Austria, they dropped the requirements for CW test
end of
last year. BUT they stated in that law, that CW test can be required by
the
applicants in future, as long as the authority can supply CW-EXAMINERS.
BTW,
the former nocode Test was the same as for HF, just no CW. So every
Austrian licencee is tested like an EXTRA in the US, exept the CW. And
this
is the same in all of the EUROPEAN countries.

Just my half EURO worth

Helmut
OE8SOQ

Hi, Helmut
For me it is not about learning CW. Looking back the history of ham radio,
I am wondering about the quality of today's operators. Majority of new
ones are just a bunch of glorified CB'ers. That's where my beef is.
Dropping CW requirement is fine with me. And written test is a joke.
Most don't even know which way current flows in a diode or how to
solder. I have better idea, just sell the licences with full previledge
for 1000.00 each to anyone. Getting driver's licence is harder than
getting a ham ticket now.
73,
Tony, VE6CGX

"Ed G." wrote in message
. ..


It's all part of the "dumbing down of America" that has been going on
for the last 20-30 years.

Seems to me it started back farther than that.... probably in the late
60's when the "new math" was being pushed by pointy headed liberal
educators.



Ed WB6SAT


And don't forget the "whole word" approach that they tried instead of
phonics for teaching reading. Many people today are suffering from marginal
literacy due to that poor concept.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

As it damn well should be...it's much easier to get killed by a bad driver
than by
sloppy CW.


"Tony Hwang" wrote in message
news:21xPb.205544$JQ1.46984@pd7tw1no...
Getting driver's licence is harder than getting a ham ticket now.
73,
Tony, VE6CGX