On 10 Jul 2006 19:42:37 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:

Al Klein wrote:
On 10 Jul 2006 18:48:09 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:

I already earned those prevlidges

Earned? By what? Filling out an application? Memorizing enough
answers to just pass the written exam?
exactly the same way you did by passing the tests required at the time

There's a difference between earning and being able to get with no
effort.

I spent plenty of effort overthe years

Evidently it was wasted effort, since it didn't result in your being
able to use CW.

but in any case the FCC will never take my prevledges thay have made
that clear

Right - the government NEVER changes anything. Are you really that
naive?

never no not soon yes

You're the one who said "never".

accordingly you need to learn to deal with what is instaned
of trying to overturn history

I have nothing to deal with - I'm licensed, and could keep my license
if they made 20 wpm, or digital mode testing, a yearly requirement.

yes you wold have to deal with thresult of ruining the ARS

No, I really don't care that my license really means nothing these
days, and will mean even less in the future. I can operate on those
frequencies, and those modes, that I want to use, and talk to those
people I want to talk to. Whether new hams need CW or not.

The biggest problem would be freeing up a day to get to wherever the
test was being given.

and having any freqs left to operate on

That has nothing to do with CW - that's set by international
agreement. Do you really think that if we had "only" 300,000 hams,
we'd lose our frequencies?

lots of differences but at least I am in touch with the real world

Thinking that robbing a bank is earning money? Not very much touch.

so it is cheating it still is obtaining a license

That's about what it's come to these days, isn't it?

that offer was 30 years ago

Oh, I didn't notice. I was licensed for years by that time. I've
never been "offered" anything by the FCC.

It's BEEN hijacked - he's trying to get it back.

if it was hijackewd that was 26 years ago theat service does not exist
anymore

Yes, and?

and you would enact a sytem that would kill they ARS as it is if you
had the power

There were plenty of hams when 13 wpm was the entry level. A 5 wpm
code test and a *real* written test wouldn't kill it, it would just
separate those who are willing to do what it takes to be hams from
those who just want the license without the work.

maybe nut the current entry rates sugest otherwise

Correlation isn't cause.

but it does relate to results

"But" is usually used to refute something, not to just say "is too".
If you take your fingers out of your ears you might hear something.

and He does not
propose 5wpm and writeen test he prososes 13 wpm and a total lack of an
effective entry class and elimiating half the current licees and likely
a lot more than that

Oh, you mean the way it used to be, when there were plenty of hams.

vs the the preusre exerted for our bands

The number of *US* hams has very little to do with what bands are
*internationally* allocated to hams. Especially these days, when US
prestige has sunk so far.

and any "paln" that involves dumping 300,000 hams right of the bat is
pretty going to finish off the ARS

Seems to me we had a pretty good ARS when we only has 100,000 hams. If
dumping 300,000 means losing half, it means having 3 times the number
we used to have. How is tripling "finishing off"?

becuase it would be halfing not triplling and to assume it is only
halfing is generous many of the current generald and extra would be
weed out withon 10 years

300,000 is half of 100,000? What kind of arithmetic are you using? I
can't seem to get my calculator to make it come out that way.

if ham radio looks like it it is dying we will loose oour bands to
anyone that wants em

Your opinion - again, the world at large doesn't really care too much
what the US does these days, as far as number of hams.

indded a likely result would losing many of ou r
hf bands bands to literaly an extpanded CB service our vhf and up
would be savaged

That has nothing to do with frequency allocation. Learn how the ITU
works before you make such funny assertions.

and we would be powerless to resist

We ARE pretty powerless to resist now - but whether we keep a CW
requirement has nothing to do with the ITU. They couldn't care less.

47 new messages and most of them are yours... why don't you wither killfile
the dirtball, or get a room... take your pick.

"Al Klein" wrote in message
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On 10 Jul 2006 19:42:37 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:

Al Klein wrote:
On 10 Jul 2006 18:48:09 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:

I already earned those prevlidges

Earned? By what? Filling out an application? Memorizing enough
answers to just pass the written exam?
exactly the same way you did by passing the tests required at the time

There's a difference between earning and being able to get with no
effort.

I spent plenty of effort overthe years

Evidently it was wasted effort, since it didn't result in your being
able to use CW.

but in any case the FCC will never take my prevledges thay have made
that clear

Right - the government NEVER changes anything. Are you really that
naive?

never no not soon yes

You're the one who said "never".

accordingly you need to learn to deal with what is instaned
of trying to overturn history

I have nothing to deal with - I'm licensed, and could keep my license
if they made 20 wpm, or digital mode testing, a yearly requirement.

yes you wold have to deal with thresult of ruining the ARS

No, I really don't care that my license really means nothing these
days, and will mean even less in the future. I can operate on those
frequencies, and those modes, that I want to use, and talk to those
people I want to talk to. Whether new hams need CW or not.

The biggest problem would be freeing up a day to get to wherever the
test was being given.

and having any freqs left to operate on

That has nothing to do with CW - that's set by international
agreement. Do you really think that if we had "only" 300,000 hams,
we'd lose our frequencies?

lots of differences but at least I am in touch with the real world

Thinking that robbing a bank is earning money? Not very much touch.

so it is cheating it still is obtaining a license

That's about what it's come to these days, isn't it?

that offer was 30 years ago

Oh, I didn't notice. I was licensed for years by that time. I've
never been "offered" anything by the FCC.

It's BEEN hijacked - he's trying to get it back.

if it was hijackewd that was 26 years ago theat service does not exist
anymore

Yes, and?

and you would enact a sytem that would kill they ARS as it is if you
had the power

There were plenty of hams when 13 wpm was the entry level. A 5 wpm
code test and a *real* written test wouldn't kill it, it would just
separate those who are willing to do what it takes to be hams from
those who just want the license without the work.

maybe nut the current entry rates sugest otherwise

Correlation isn't cause.

but it does relate to results

"But" is usually used to refute something, not to just say "is too".
If you take your fingers out of your ears you might hear something.

and He does not
propose 5wpm and writeen test he prososes 13 wpm and a total lack of an
effective entry class and elimiating half the current licees and likely
a lot more than that

Oh, you mean the way it used to be, when there were plenty of hams.

vs the the preusre exerted for our bands

The number of *US* hams has very little to do with what bands are
*internationally* allocated to hams. Especially these days, when US
prestige has sunk so far.

and any "paln" that involves dumping 300,000 hams right of the bat is
pretty going to finish off the ARS

Seems to me we had a pretty good ARS when we only has 100,000 hams. If
dumping 300,000 means losing half, it means having 3 times the number
we used to have. How is tripling "finishing off"?

becuase it would be halfing not triplling and to assume it is only
halfing is generous many of the current generald and extra would be
weed out withon 10 years

300,000 is half of 100,000? What kind of arithmetic are you using? I
can't seem to get my calculator to make it come out that way.

if ham radio looks like it it is dying we will loose oour bands to
anyone that wants em

Your opinion - again, the world at large doesn't really care too much
what the US does these days, as far as number of hams.

indded a likely result would losing many of ou r
hf bands bands to literaly an extpanded CB service our vhf and up
would be savaged

That has nothing to do with frequency allocation. Learn how the ITU
works before you make such funny assertions.

and we would be powerless to resist

We ARE pretty powerless to resist now - but whether we keep a CW
requirement has nothing to do with the ITU. They couldn't care less.

Al Klein wrote:
On 10 Jul 2006 19:42:37 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:

Al Klein wrote:
On 10 Jul 2006 18:48:09 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:

I already earned those prevlidges

Earned? By what? Filling out an application? Memorizing enough
answers to just pass the written exam?
exactly the same way you did by passing the tests required at the time

There's a difference between earning and being able to get with no
effort.

I spent plenty of effort overthe years

Evidently it was wasted effort, since it didn't result in your being
able to use CW.
indeed it was wasted

cut
and we would be powerless to resist

We ARE pretty powerless to resist now -

bull**** you realy are unamerican the No code movement has showne we
have the powerthe chnange to change interantional law and national
rules on this subject

Maxim and his crowd shown we could change mnds in officaldom after WW 1
when some folks did not want us back on the Air at all

people have power man wake and smell what you are shoveling

an old friend illiterate rants deleted - they
were unintelligible anyway, and plonk goes the weasel!

--
73 Chris Cox, N0UK, G4JEC

Come and join us here in Bloomington, Minnesota, home of the Mall of
America, July 27 & 28, 2006 for the 40th annual Central States VHF
Society Conference which will be hosted once again by the NLRS.

lid wrote:
an old friend illiterate rants deleted - they
were unintelligible anyway, and plonk goes the weasel!

ah yes the "answer" of the ignorant have a nice day
--
73 Chris Cox, N0UK, G4JEC

Come and join us here in Bloomington, Minnesota, home of the Mall of
America, July 27 & 28, 2006 for the 40th annual Central States VHF
Society Conference which will be hosted once again by the NLRS.

On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:03:09 -0500, "CW"
wrote:

with all due respect to you as a fellow ham I strongly disagree with your
position. I got my ticket the so called "right" way. I've held an advanced
(WA4***) class since I had to drive to the nearest office for for the
written and cw.
Remember when the dam questions weren't even allowed to be published?
Remember those stupid ass ARRL study manuals?Al,how was that better?

Better? I don't know. Who said it was?

But how many hams today could even understand a schematic, let alone
build a W2EWL rig? But how many SSB (or DSB) transmitters were
homebrew? Hams don't even build repeater controllers any longer -
everything is appliance. What's ham radio supposed to be (from the
government viewpoint) if not a training ground? For people who know
how to operate. Not for CBers on ham bands.

People are afraid of losing things if we have too few hams? Where
will the FCC's justification go (the "ham radio provides us with a
pool of experienced operators" thing) if ham radio is just CB on
different frequencies?

Al Klein wrote:
On Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:03:09 -0500, "CW"
wrote:

with all due respect to you as a fellow ham I strongly disagree with your
position. I got my ticket the so called "right" way. I've held an advanced
(WA4***) class since I had to drive to the nearest office for for the
written and cw.
Remember when the dam questions weren't even allowed to be published?
Remember those stupid ass ARRL study manuals?Al,how was that better?

Better? I don't know. Who said it was?
you did

But how many hams today could even understand a schematic, let alone
build a W2EWL rig?
how many need to
But how many SSB (or DSB) transmitters were
homebrew?
I have a hombrew AM unit a cute little thing built from the plan in th
last issue of CQ VHF's first run I will call it
Hams don't even build repeater controllers any longer -
everything is appliance.
so?
What's ham radio supposed to be (from the
government viewpoint) if not a training ground?
and it is
For people who know
how to operate. Not for CBers on ham bands.

People are afraid of losing things if we have too few hams?
indeed they are
Where
will the FCC's justification go (the "ham radio provides us with a
pool of experienced operators" thing) if ham radio is just CB on
different frequencies?
how is thatever going to happen?
why are you so afraid of CB?

On 11 Jul 2006 09:19:51 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:

bull**** you realy are unamerican the No code movement has showne we
have the powerthe chnange to change interantional law and national
rules on this subject

Wake up - the world holds the US in contempt. Bush threw all our
political capital away.

Maxim and his crowd shown we could change mnds in officaldom after WW 1
when some folks did not want us back on the Air at all

You really don't see the difference between 1918 and 2006, do you?
We're not the dog any longer. We're not even the tail.

Al Klein wrote:
On 11 Jul 2006 09:19:51 -0700, "an old friend"
wrote:

bull**** you realy are unamerican the No code movement has showne we
have the powerthe chnange to change interantional law and national
rules on this subject

Wake up - the world holds the US in contempt.
Bull****

the No code movment (a multi national effort btw) got the the ITU
treaty amended as part of geting we think is best for the ARS

I will grant we may be wrong but we are proof that people ake a
difference
Bush threw all our
political capital away.
nope
he can't

Maxim and his crowd shown we could change mnds in officaldom after WW 1
when some folks did not want us back on the Air at all

You really don't see the difference between 1918 and 2006, do you?
there are differneces one of them is folks like you are too bussy
keeping your heads down to recnize that power
We're not the dog any longer. We're not even the tail.
but WE the Nocode hams ARE, you and your side have been resting on
their wilted glory for years