This might sound like a joke, but it isn't.

You know those back up safety lights they sell to install in and on
your car that uses the frequencies in the
ham bands?

However, Burger King has signs up saying "no videorecording or
photography allowed" and that "violators will be
prosecuted".

So with that sign, Burger King is telling all of us that it is against
the law to have safety lights on your car
because it violates Buger King's rules.

They seem as bad or maybe even worse than Palmdale, California.

But you all just KNOW that sometime somewhere some city will pass a
law requiring you to have those
safety backup lights on your car.

Whch also poses a problem in federal areas where they say "no cameras
allowed" and no photography" allowed
since it's NOT easy and is actually a pain to keep uninstalling them
and reinstalling them.

Such as if your city passes a law requiring them and you have to drive
to your local social security office for
some reaon, where they're prohibited by law.

Maybeit's an old retired ham or old retired cber.

To follow th law you must break the law. That is

To follow the law of no cameras permitted anywhere on social security/
federal property, you must remove them
BEFORE you get your car on that property, but by doing so, you are
breaking your city's law by not having
them on your car while on city property off of federal property.

But following the law to have them on your car on city property means
you must have them on your car
until your car is completely off of city property which means until
AFTER par of your car is on federal property
and you're now in violation of federal law prohibiting cameras on
federal property.

Of more concer is where radio transmissions are prohibited because of
explosives. But you CAN't just uninstall
them willy-nilly. Its too hard of a job to do that.

And who is Burger King to tell me that I'm not allowed to have safety
lights on my car???????

yeah, some smart aleck is probably wanting to answer, "Well, he is the
king."

Not in the U.S., he isn't.

Seriously, in my opinion, the Burger King company,corporation,
whatever they are, has NO business telling
me that I MUST drive more dangerously.

And that I MUST risk running over kids that are too small to see
behind my car with the mirrors while backing up.

Or their pets.

Who is Burger /king to tell me that I HAVE to run over innocent little
kids because having transmitting safety backup lights on my car
violates Burger King's rules against "no cameras, no photograhy, and
no videorecording?????

Guess what? With those safety backup lights transmitting on the ham
bands, even if I don't do any videorecording, you just KNOW that
there's probably going to be some ham somewhere in his own house
watching it and videorecording it from his own house.

Maybe even several hams at their own homes videorecording the
transmissions from the safety backup lights.

So take that, Burger King.

Of course, with their sign, they have already threatened to call the
police and prosecute anyone they catch with
any kind of camera on their property.

Once, even while inside Burger King, the manager came up to me and
told me to get rid of my "camera" that
I had because it's against the law and not allowed inside there.

Until I then showed him that my so-called "camera" was NOT a "camera"
at all, but an Icom IC-R3 tv set.

Yes, the idiot BK manager thought my Icom IC-R3 radio/tv reciever was
a "camera".

You are the joke "radioguy" .
The Burger King sign says "no videorecording or photography allowed".

It doesn't say yo cn't have a camera or camcorder. It says you cannot
take photographs or video recording. What's your problem?
Either don't go to Burger King r if you go follow their rules.





"radioguy" wrote in message
...
This might sound like a joke, but it isn't.

You know those back up safety lights they sell to install in and on
your car that uses the frequencies in the
ham bands?

However, Burger King has signs up saying "no videorecording or
photography allowed" and that "violators will be
prosecuted".

So with that sign, Burger King is telling all of us that it is
against
the law to have safety lights on your car
because it violates Buger King's rules.

They seem as bad or maybe even worse than Palmdale, California.

But you all just KNOW that sometime somewhere some city will pass a
law requiring you to have those
safety backup lights on your car.

Whch also poses a problem in federal areas where they say "no
cameras
allowed" and no photography" allowed
since it's NOT easy and is actually a pain to keep uninstalling them
and reinstalling them.

Such as if your city passes a law requiring them and you have to
drive
to your local social security office for
some reaon, where they're prohibited by law.

Maybeit's an old retired ham or old retired cber.

To follow th law you must break the law. That is

To follow the law of no cameras permitted anywhere on social
security/
federal property, you must remove them
BEFORE you get your car on that property, but by doing so, you are
breaking your city's law by not having
them on your car while on city property off of federal property.

But following the law to have them on your car on city property
means
you must have them on your car
until your car is completely off of city property which means until
AFTER par of your car is on federal property
and you're now in violation of federal law prohibiting cameras on
federal property.

Of more concer is where radio transmissions are prohibited because
of
explosives. But you CAN't just uninstall
them willy-nilly. Its too hard of a job to do that.

And who is Burger King to tell me that I'm not allowed to have
safety
lights on my car???????

yeah, some smart aleck is probably wanting to answer, "Well, he is
the
king."

Not in the U.S., he isn't.

Seriously, in my opinion, the Burger King company,corporation,
whatever they are, has NO business telling
me that I MUST drive more dangerously.

And that I MUST risk running over kids that are too small to see
behind my car with the mirrors while backing up.

Or their pets.

Who is Burger /king to tell me that I HAVE to run over innocent
little
kids because having transmitting safety backup lights on my car
violates Burger King's rules against "no cameras, no photograhy, and
no videorecording?????

Guess what? With those safety backup lights transmitting on the ham
bands, even if I don't do any videorecording, you just KNOW that
there's probably going to be some ham somewhere in his own house
watching it and videorecording it from his own house.

Maybe even several hams at their own homes videorecording the
transmissions from the safety backup lights.

So take that, Burger King.

Of course, with their sign, they have already threatened to call the
police and prosecute anyone they catch with
any kind of camera on their property.

Once, even while inside Burger King, the manager came up to me and
told me to get rid of my "camera" that
I had because it's against the law and not allowed inside there.

Until I then showed him that my so-called "camera" was NOT a
"camera"
at all, but an Icom IC-R3 tv set.

Yes, the idiot BK manager thought my Icom IC-R3 radio/tv reciever
was
a "camera".

"radioguy" wrote in message
...
This might sound like a joke, but it isn't.

However, Burger King has signs up saying "no videorecording or
photography allowed" and that "violators will be
prosecuted".

Oh please. If you are outside the "store" you can record anything you like.
People do not have the expectation of privacy in public. This would include
the drive-thru line at Burger King.

Burger King might be able to give you a trepass order and make it so you
can't come back but I'd like to know what law they think you are breaking by
recording your experience in their drive thru. I'll bet that law doesn't
exist or doesn't apply.

What does this have to do with scanners?

an_old_friend wrote:
On Dec 16, 9:51 am, "Frank Arthur" wrote:
You are the joke "radioguy" .

please don't help this spam the radio NGs

We heard you the first time, asshole Now shut the hell up, you whiny
little fast-food-hating Nazi bitch. Set followups someplace else, not
just to where YOU won't see them.

Charlie Durand wrote:

Burger King might be able to give you a trepass order and make it so you
can't come back but I'd like to know what law they think you are breaking by
recording your experience in their drive thru. I'll bet that law doesn't
exist or doesn't apply.

Burger King is public property, anyway. You can do anything you want on
public property.

On Dec 16, 11:12 am, Sqwertz wrote:
Charlie Durand wrote:
Burger King might be able to give you a trepass order and make it so you
can't come back but I'd like to know what law they think you are breaking by
recording your experience in their drive thru. I'll bet that law doesn't
exist or doesn't apply.

Burger King is public property, anyway. You can do anything you want on
public property.

Huh? You mean the restaurant doesn't own the property? I think they
do, and they have the right to say no video recording on their
property. Now if you want to step out to the side walk, which is
public property and photograph, then you can take all the pictures you
want. And by the way, you can't "do anything you want" on public
property.

I don't see what back up lights and video recording have in common as
the original poster was complaining about.

On Dec 16, 9:23 am, "Charlie Durand" wrote:
"radioguy" wrote in message

...

This might sound like a joke, but it isn't.

However, Burger King has signs up saying "no videorecording or
photography allowed" and that "violators will be
prosecuted".

Oh please. If you are outside the "store" you can record anything you like.

Not if you are on their property.

"Jerry Sauk" wrote in message
...
an_old_friend wrote:
On Dec 16, 9:51 am, "Frank Arthur" wrote:
You are the joke "radioguy" .

please don't help this spam the radio NGs

We heard you the first time, asshole Now shut the hell up, you whiny
little fast-food-hating Nazi bitch. Set followups someplace else, not
just to where YOU won't see them.

STOP IMPEROSONATING ME.

On Dec 16, 9:51*am, "Frank Arthur" wrote:
You are the joke "radioguy" .
The Burger King sign says "no videorecording or *photography allowed".

It doesn't say yo cn't have a camera or camcorder. It says you cannot
take photographs or video recording. What's your problem?
Either don't go to Burger King r if you go follow their rules.


Having safety lights that transmit pictures is photography, as far as
Burger King is concerned.

I already had a BK manager tell me to get rid of my "camera" that I
was NOT taking any pictures with inside since "cameras aren't allowed
and are illegal inside here".

The reason I didn't take any pictures wth that "camera" was because it
was NOT a "camera", but WAS a radio and tv set.

Lots of people take their radios into Burger King and listen to them
with headphones out.

The idiot manager thought that my radio was a camera. And he wasn't a
young kid either. he was a middle aged man.

I don't go there much anymore anyways, but it does have serious legal
implications.

Suppose I'm on the public street and happen to get in a car accident
that's not my fault, but is completely the othe guy's fault and his
car makes
mine end up in Burger King's parking lot.

I can now be charged with illegallyy violating Burger Kings rules "no
photograpgy allowed".

Even though I never intended to be at Burger King.

Since "evidence obtained illegally" is not permitted to be used as
evidence in court, I would then now be unable to use the pictures from
the safety lights
that would prove the accident was not my fault while I'm n court.

While I would be able to legally use thiose same safety light pictures
as evidence in court as long as my car happened to spin and land
somewhere off of
Burger King property.

But if my car spins and happens to land on Burger King property, that
same legal evidence is now illegal evidence.

Also, some Burger Kings also have the "no videorecording or
photography allowed" signs posted on their drive through windows where
you pick up your food.

If that rule was just meant for the inside of the building, why is it
posted where the drive through customers see it?

And if it's meant to address just the employees, why is it positioned
so that the drive throughcustomers see it?

It seems the only reason to have it there is if the rule was meant for
the whole premises, both inside and outside the building.

Also futher legal implications:

I don't know why BK has that rule, but if it's because you don't want
your employees photographed, get this:

A car with safety lights installed does NOT even have to be on BK at
all to photograph your employees.

A car with safety lights installed can be completely on the city-owned
public streets and as long as your employees are in sight of whatever
the
safety lights see, the safety lights WILL transmit live motion
pictures of your employees.

And other people can then videorecord your employess from their own
home by recording those safety ligt transmissions.

Once a viideorecording is made, it's a simple matter to make stills
from that video or even simpler, instead of bothering to make stills,
just put up
the video as you recorded in, in full glorious full motion video.

Since no one wa on BK property, and the videos of BK employees was not
inteninall made by the person with the safety lights, and thepeople at
home
recording were just recording tv signl they just happen to recieve,
and they were not recording any transmissions from BK cameras but
were
recording transmissions from the safety light cameras, and BK has no
authority over the person with the safety light cameras since they
were never
on BK property.

What can and can't be installe on cars is the business of whoever in
the state controls vehicle laws, NOT the business of Burger King.

And I very much doubt that any city,county, or state would even
consider, let alone passing a law that makes it against the law to
have SAFETY
LIGHTS that protects kids more installe on your vehicle.

And if some city, county, or state government was stupid enough to
actually pass a law making it against the law to have SAFETY LIGHTS
that protect kids moe installed on your vehicle, I think that city,
county, or state would find theirselves in a unch of political hot
water, a bunch of legal hot water, and
involved in a bunch of court cases.

As far as I can see, I have not found aanything in my local city,
county, or state laws yet that state having SAFETY LIGHTS installed on
your car is
against the law.

If they were, then why are the legal national chain stores allowed
to kegally sell them?

Along with other stores that are not national chain stores.

I'm not sure if the safety lights also transmit sound besides just
pictures or not, so maybe people watching the safety light
transmissions at home
might even be able to hear what your employees are saying in addition
to seeing them, while scanner listerners would be able to hear them in
such a case.

And all the while with both the car and safety lights never ever ever
bein on Burger King property at all.

So take that, Burger King.

hahahahahahahahahaha.

On Dec 16, 2:21*am, radioguy wrote:
This might sound like a joke, but it isn't.

You know those back up safety lights they sell to install in and on
your car that uses the frequencies in the
ham bands?

However, Burger King has signs up saying "no videorecording or
photography allowed" and that "violators will be
prosecuted".

So with that sign, Burger King is telling all of us that it is against
the law to BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

Remove the signs. It's your public property, too.