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On 4/18/2012 8:15 PM, Wayne wrote:
"Ian" wrote in message ... "Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message ... If it is a dipole, yagi, log-periodic, sturba curtain, rhombic, parabolic, helix, loop, cubical quad, on any of many, many more types of antennas that have no place or need to connect a ground, it would not. Each of them has the chassis. S* # Good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. # # Do any of you teach students hoping to gain an amateur radio licence? # Some of Szczepan's postings would be useful for amusing those students and # informing them how it is definitely not done. # # Hope you all have a fine Wednesday, # Ian. And another side benefit. This NG has had few postings in several months. I haven't seen this much activity on r.r.a.a since the GFW.* Wayne W5GIE * GFW= Great Fractal Wars (TM). You and others are correct. The MIQ has injected some fun. tom K0TAR |
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napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci ... Szczepan Bialek wrote: There is wrote that all of your transmitter have "a "ground" connection without any actual connection to the Earth." Nope, you just don't understand what is meant. In the days of wired electronics, the chassis was the metal box the equipment was built in and used as a common return, i.e. what is called ground but has no relationship to the Earth. By convention it was mearly the common connection point for the most negative voltage. In todays world of circuit boards, there is often no chassis. Most portable equipment these days is a circuit board in a plastic box. "This is usually a large conductor attached to one side of the power supply (such as the "ground plane" on a printed circuit board) " No chassis. No ground, as in to the Earth, connection. The "large conductor" works as the earth. S* |
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Szczepan Bialek wrote:
napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci ... Szczepan Bialek wrote: There is wrote that all of your transmitter have "a "ground" connection without any actual connection to the Earth." Nope, you just don't understand what is meant. In the days of wired electronics, the chassis was the metal box the equipment was built in and used as a common return, i.e. what is called ground but has no relationship to the Earth. By convention it was mearly the common connection point for the most negative voltage. In todays world of circuit boards, there is often no chassis. Most portable equipment these days is a circuit board in a plastic box. "This is usually a large conductor attached to one side of the power supply (such as the "ground plane" on a printed circuit board) " No chassis. No ground, as in to the Earth, connection. The "large conductor" works as the earth. S* So you agree that a transmitter needs no connection to the earth? |
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"Rob" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci ... Szczepan Bialek wrote: "This is usually a large conductor attached to one side of the power supply (such as the "ground plane" on a printed circuit board) " The "large conductor" works as the earth. S* So you agree that a transmitter needs no connection to the earth? Of course YES. The "large conductor" is enough. S* |
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On 4/19/2012 2:40 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci ... Szczepan wrote: "This is usually a large conductor attached to one side of the power supply (such as the "ground plane" on a printed circuit board)" The "large conductor" works as the earth. S* So you agree that a transmitter needs no connection to the earth? Of course YES. The "large conductor" is enough. S* You finally agree, but for all the wrong reasons. :| Reboot and try again. Like Will Robinson, you are still lost in space. I'm not even going to try to explain why, as you likely won't believe a word I say. |
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Szczepan Bialek wrote:
"Rob" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci ... Szczepan Bialek wrote: "This is usually a large conductor attached to one side of the power supply (such as the "ground plane" on a printed circuit board) " The "large conductor" works as the earth. S* So you agree that a transmitter needs no connection to the earth? Of course YES. The "large conductor" is enough. S* So, Marconi was wrong after all! |
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"NM5K" napisal w wiadomosci ... On 4/19/2012 2:40 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote: napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci ... Szczepan wrote: "This is usually a large conductor attached to one side of the power supply (such as the "ground plane" on a printed circuit board)" The "large conductor" works as the earth. S* So you agree that a transmitter needs no connection to the earth? Of course YES. The "large conductor" is enough. S* You finally agree, but for all the wrong reasons. :| Reboot and try again. Like Will Robinson, you are still lost in space. I'm not even going to try to explain why, as you likely won't believe a word I say. I believe in each your word. But I simply do not know where in your equipment the "large conductor" is. Probably it is the coax: "Many conventional coaxial cables use braided copper wire forming the shield". I also belive in each Tesla's word. He discovered that in his secondary coil is the oscillatory electron flow from the earth into the air. Why is it impossible? S* |
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Szczepan Bialek wrote:
I believe in each your word. But I simply do not know where in your equipment the "large conductor" is. In your statements, you never specify what a "large conductor" is. Today, transmitters are often very small and still they work OK without any earth connection. How large should a "large conductor" be? Probably it is the coax: "Many conventional coaxial cables use braided copper wire forming the shield". The transmitted signal flows only along the inside of the shield of the coax. The outside is supposed to carry no signal. If it does, there is a problem with the antenna system. I also belive in each Tesla's word. He discovered that in his secondary coil is the oscillatory electron flow from the earth into the air. Why is it impossible? S* We do not operate our transmitters in the region where electrons start flowing into the air, because we do not like arcing. Tesla did, but he was in a different business. |
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On Apr 19, 3:13*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
I also belive in each Tesla's word. He discovered that in his secondary coil is the oscillatory electron flow from the earth into the air. Why is it impossible? Because RF EM waves are not made up of electrons. The particles that are flowing in an RF EM wave are photons. RF waves travel at the speed of light. Electrons cannot travel at the speed of light. If Tesla actually believed that an RF wave consists of electron flow, he was simply ignorant of quantum electrodynamics. That may be the reason why he failed to transfer large amounts of power through the air in an efficient manner. -- 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com |
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"W5DXP" napisal w wiadomosci ... On Apr 19, 3:13 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote: I also belive in each Tesla's word. He discovered that in his secondary coil is the oscillatory electron flow from the earth into the air. Why is it impossible? Because RF EM waves are not made up of electrons. The particles that are flowing in an RF EM wave are photons. RF waves travel at the speed of light. Electrons cannot travel at the speed of light. Electron waves travel. Electrons have different speeds like the all gases. If Tesla actually believed that an RF wave consists of electron flow, he was simply ignorant of quantum electrodynamics. That may be the reason why he failed to transfer large amounts of power through the air in an efficient manner. He wrote that for this you must use the higher frequency than was possible in his time. Now all transfer large amounts of power through the air in an efficient manner. Light is an example. But now we have the free electron laser. S* |
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