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Rule of Thumb for coax chokes
"Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... Reg Edwards wrote: But Cecil, maximum resistance, maximum reactance and maximum impedance all occur at the same resonant frequency. Reg, if you would learn the Smith Chart, you would know that is not true. :-) At self-resonance, the inductive reactance cancels the capacitive reactance leaving a pure resistance usually of a few thousand ohms. But I agree with you that a purely resistive self-resonant choke is not a bad thing. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp ====================================== Cec, I don't need a Smith Chart, and neither does anybody else, to work out the resistance at resonance. I don't think you quite know what you are doing with elementary circuit analysis. The Smith Chart is giving you the wrong answer. The resistance of a choke at HF at self resonance is in the order of a megohm or more, not just a few thousand ohms. By the way, what is the diameter and winding length of a USA pop bottle. ---- Reg. |
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Rule of Thumb for coax chokes
Reg Edwards wrote:
The resistance of a choke at HF at self resonance is in the order of a megohm or more, not just a few thousand ohms. I just guessed at it, Reg, based on my measurements of toroidal chokes and W2DU baluns. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
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Rule of Thumb for coax chokes
Reg Edwards wrote:
By the way, what is the diameter and winding length of a USA pop bottle. The diameter of a 2 liter bottle is 4 inches. The Bible says the ratio of circumference to diameter of a circle is 3. :-) The length of the bottle is about a foot. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
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Rule of Thumb for coax chokes
The diameter of a 2 liter bottle is 4 inches. The Bible
says the ratio of circumference to diameter of a circle is 3. :-) The length of the bottle is about a foot. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp ============================================ Before publishing your rules of thumb you can check your reasoning by using program SELFRES3. Download from website below. I must admit, rules of thumb are quite adequate for coaxial chokes. Almost anything will work. Very often things will work quite well without a choke at all. ;o) ----- .................................................. .......... Regards from Reg, G4FGQ For Free Radio Design Software go to http://www.btinternet.com/~g4fgq.regp .................................................. .......... |
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Rule of Thumb for coax chokes
On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 03:37:05 +0100, "Reg Edwards"
wrote: I must admit, rules of thumb are quite adequate for coaxial chokes. Almost anything will work. Very often things will work quite well without a choke at all. ;o) But the Rule Of Thumb to avoid (presumably) parallel resonance of the choke for the reasons given is ROT. Owen -- |
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Rule of Thumb for coax chokes
Owen Duffy wrote:
On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 03:37:05 +0100, "Reg Edwards" wrote: I must admit, rules of thumb are quite adequate for coaxial chokes. Almost anything will work. Very often things will work quite well without a choke at all. ;o) But the Rule Of Thumb to avoid (presumably) parallel resonance of the choke for the reasons given is ROT. Wouldn't the resonant circulating currents be at their highest magnitudes at the parallel resonant point and therefore the I^2*R losses in the coil be greater at that frequency than on either side of self-resonance? (I explained that avoiding self resonance is only a personal preference.) -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
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Rule of Thumb for coax chokes
On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 21:17:04 GMT, "Tom Donaly"
wrote: But then you have to drink 2 liters of wet, sticky, gooey, sickeningly sweet, soda pop. 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH Or look in the nearest garbage can or dumpster. Of course, there are two liter bottles of water as well. -- 73 for now Buck N4PGW |
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Rule of Thumb for coax chokes
Tom Donaly wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote: Reg Edwards wrote: 2 liter pop bottles are in abundance in the US. If a coil form is used for a coax choke, that's the most likely. But then you have to drink 2 liters of wet, sticky, gooey, sickeningly sweet, soda pop. 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH We get 'sparkling water' in 2l bottles because we like the fizzy feel to our beverages. They also have club soda and soda water in 2l bottles. Keep cool, Galen, W8LNA |
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Rule of Thumb for coax chokes
Owen Duffy wrote:
But the Rule Of Thumb to avoid (presumably) parallel resonance of the choke for the reasons given is ROT. The self-resonance to be avoided is 1/2WL self-resonance, e.g. 20 turns on 10m. I apologize for confusing the two self-resonant concepts. -- 73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
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Rule of Thumb for coax chokes
"Cecil Moore" wrote in message .. . Owen Duffy wrote: On Thu, 3 Aug 2006 03:37:05 +0100, "Reg Edwards" wrote: I must admit, rules of thumb are quite adequate for coaxial chokes. Almost anything will work. Very often things will work quite well without a choke at all. ;o) But the Rule Of Thumb to avoid (presumably) parallel resonance of the choke for the reasons given is ROT. Wouldn't the resonant circulating currents be at their highest magnitudes at the parallel resonant point and therefore the I^2*R losses in the coil be greater at that frequency than on either side of self-resonance? (I explained that avoiding self resonance is only a personal preference.) -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp Hi Cecil Doesnt the increase of impedance of the parallel resonant "balun" discourage current from flowing into it? I considered that the source impedance is constant and the "balun" impedance rises as resonance is approached. I figured the circulating current would be Q times the current thru it, but the current thru it drops as its impedance rises. If I'm wrong, I've been lucky so far. Jerry |
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