W4JLE wrote:
I have taken them all at one time or another so can't give you an exact
comparison, for my money the advanced amateur was the hardest.

As I cut my teeth on "Hollow State", the tube stuff was easy. You haven't
lived until you have a rig with 3B24's emitting their purple glow into the
shack.

SNIP

Or, 866's

When I took my no code tech license in 1993 I didn't have to do what you did
in 1957.

But I did spend years in college attaining a degree in Electronic Technology
, learned all about tubes and electron theory, electronics related math,
drew schematics, learned about solid state and early digital IC's, op amps,
did work study doing bench work at a BSR factory, learned how to repair
motracs and radar units in a professors garage shop (he was a ham and the
local service guy for the radios the cops used). Moved into the working
world in the late 70's , Trained on teletype repair at the Skokie, Il.
plant., Worked as an engineering lab tech programming EPROMs and ROM for
early electronic control units writing code onto paper tape, used sniffers
on networks, Made engineering changes to prototype circuit boards, Worked on
repair of mainframe water cooled computers with scopes, meters, and all
kinds of magic tools and test equipment, learned personal computers and
telecommunications networks, specialized in bus sized high speed laser
printers (3800) and 3745 telecommunications boxes, learned how write
mainframe code, learned how to write PC code, can fix computers in my sleep.
Have a bunch of WORKING self repaired reel to reel tape decks and radios in
my garage collection. Fix my own cars. Maintain my own home.

I'm a no code tech.

It doesn't mean I'm a button pusher. Don't treat us like dirt.

Steve
N2UBP



-- When I took my test in 1957, the FCC guy testing , told me the most
difficult test was the amateur advanced.

Back then You both sent and received Morse, and a solid one minute out of
three was the passing mark. The test itself consisted of drawing
schematics,
supplying missing components to a schematic, etc. Unlike today's NO CODE,
No
ELECTRONICS exams.

There you go, waving a 2 inch swantz around the big boys and crying
because we are not impressed.

Never said you were dirt, I did say your getting a free ride as the result
of those unable to compete, whining long and hard.

"Steve Stone" wrote in message
...

When I took my no code tech license in 1993 I didn't have to do what you
did
in 1957.

But I did spend years in college attaining a degree in Electronic
Technology
, learned all about tubes and electron theory, electronics related math,
drew schematics, learned about solid state and early digital IC's, op
amps,
did work study doing bench work at a BSR factory, learned how to repair
motracs and radar units in a professors garage shop (he was a ham and the
local service guy for the radios the cops used). Moved into the working
world in the late 70's , Trained on teletype repair at the Skokie, Il.
plant., Worked as an engineering lab tech programming EPROMs and ROM for
early electronic control units writing code onto paper tape, used sniffers
on networks, Made engineering changes to prototype circuit boards, Worked
on
I'm a no code tech.

MORE YA DA Da Da Snipped...

It doesn't mean I'm a button pusher. Don't treat us like dirt.

Steve
N2UBP



-- When I took my test in 1957, the FCC guy testing , told me the most
difficult test was the amateur advanced.

Back then You both sent and received Morse, and a solid one minute out
of
three was the passing mark. The test itself consisted of drawing
schematics,
supplying missing components to a schematic, etc. Unlike today's NO
CODE,
No
ELECTRONICS exams.

As a younger Ham (27), who could have gone no-code, I say keep the code.
It's a right of passage, plus the ability to send/receive means multipliers
on contest weekends... hi hi.

I know a no-code who can't ground an antenna.

I know a no-code who has built several homebrew rigs that all work
marvellously.

The lack of code in liscensing has NOTHING to do with actual mechanical
ability, it has to do with REALLY wanting to be a part of a fraternity that
can and does do a lot of good not only for the local communtiy, but the
international one as well.

While I will agree that the hobby of amateur radio has a shrinking
population (due largely in part to what sent you this message... the
internet) and needs some revitalization, lessening the requirements is not
the way to do it. Why not promote ARES or RACES. Some of the most fun I've
ever had was volunteering in St. Charles county Missouri back in 1993 when
2/3 of the county was under water. I got to see a lot of things and go a
lot of places that the average "civilian" wouldn't be allowed to go. THAT'S
NEAT!

At the same time, younger members of the community should not be shunned as
me and my friends were by certain hams just because of our age. We used to
get run off repeaters at 3 am on Friday nights because we were "keeping
people up." TURN OFF YOUR RIG WHEN YOU'RE ASLEEP!!! We were told it was
because of our age... "no 16 yr. old could possibly have a clue." THAT'S
NOT NEAT! To this day, there are local hams who won't talk to me when I
call "monitoring" on 2 meters just because of who I am... a grudge based on
age held for 11 years... ???

At the same time, I"ve made some of my best friends by trolling VHF/UHF
(even though HF is my true love). My first directional 10m antenna was
given to me by a guy who was impressed that I had a confirmed QSO from
Kwajellain Atoll. No I break pile-ups on a regular basis. Thanks Scott.

Anyway... that's my 2 cents...

73's
KB0JNF (I'm PROUD of my novice callsign)
James Brennan

PS what is echolink? That takes all the fun out of a contact...

James Brennan wrote:
As a younger Ham (27), who could have gone no-code, I say keep the code.
It's a right of passage, plus the ability to send/receive means multipliers
on contest weekends... hi hi.


PS what is echolink? That takes all the fun out of a contact...



What difference does it make if a person who pays taxes to support an
organization(FCC), doesnt know a tube from a transistor. Why shouldnt
they have equal access to the privilages. Most buy an appliance and
start putting it to use. You dont need a license to build. There is so
much garbage on the air now it wouldnt matter how clean the signal was.
Things mutate with time. I have experienced 49 years of ham radio and
99 percent of what i did didnt require a license. Pressing the mic
button did, plus being considerate, respectful, and helpful after
pressing the button.

W1HRM

From ARRL Headquarters
Newington CT January 20, 2004
To all radio amateurs

SB QST ARL ARLB003
ARLB003 ARRL to Propose New Entry-Level License, Code-Free HF Access

The ARRL will ask the FCC to create a new entry-level Amateur Radio
license that would include HF phone privileges without requiring a
Morse code test.

Isn't that "Special"!!!!!! I can hardly wait to be in the middle of a good
QRP QSO and hear some CBer who thinks he is a ham blair in with "Is the
channel in use?"

It is nice to know that the good friends at ARRL sold us out! Wonder what
30 pieces of silver will buy these days? Apparently if you are a
corporation, it will buy you the priviledge to destroy ham radio! Heck,
why require a license at all? That seems like such a bother. Why not just
make up a call and get you a radio and jump in "Good Buddy"? I'll bet that
for 50 bucks, the "board" at ARRL will back you!

Mitch
AE4YW
--
"Come by and sit a spell with me at www.volstate.net/~mitch/ "

Bill Turner wrote:
"Mitch Dickson" wrote:
Isn't that "Special"!!!!!! I can hardly wait to be in the middle of a good
QRP QSO and hear some CBer who thinks he is a ham blair in with "Is the
channel in use?"

The word is "blare". Ignorance can be found with or without a ham
license.

Don't you just hate being in the middle of a CW QRP QSO
with a ham who can't spell? :-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



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LMAO! Why thank you BT, and it's nice to know that after what I wrote in
that post, the only thing you could find to bitch about was a mispelled word
Cut a little close to the quick did it? HEHEHE!

--... ...--

..- . ....- -.-- .--

Perhaps some kind old general will take pity and interpret the above for you


Mitch
AE4YW

--
"Come by and sit a spell with me at www.volstate.net/~mitch/ "


"Bill Turner" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:30:30 -0500, "Mitch Dickson"
wrote:

Isn't that "Special"!!!!!! I can hardly wait to be in the middle of a
good
QRP QSO and hear some CBer who thinks he is a ham blair in with "Is the
channel in use?"

__________________________________________________ _______

The word is "blare". Ignorance can be found with or without a ham
license.

--
BT

I'm sure that he just put you off as a hopeless idiot, as did I.

"Mitch Dickson" wrote in message
...
LMAO! Why thank you BT, and it's nice to know that after what I wrote in
that post, the only thing you could find to bitch about was a mispelled
word
Cut a little close to the quick did it? HEHEHE!

ogihosr