On 24 Feb, 11:00, "Jimmie D" wrote:
"art" wrote in message

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On 23 Feb, 20:05, Gene Fuller wrote:
art wrote:
On 23 Feb, 15:07, Gene Fuller wrote:

To keep it simple, Gauss' Law is precisely one of the four standard
Maxwell Equations. Gauss' Law has been part of electromagnetics and
antenna theory for eons.

As for electromechanics, who knows?

73,
Gene
W4SZ

Gene, forgive me if I am incorrect but I am going to assume you have
an engineering degree and are fully conversant with the work of the
masters. I f I am not correct then we can stop at this point Otherwise
I fully recommend that you check out the web foe a book on fields and
waves or something like that by a professor at Rutgers University. In
chapter 21 he delves very deeply into an array consisting of four
elements all of which are resonant.
Ofcourse he doesn't mention anything of mine but you will notice that
the array he chose is actually what I refer to as a Gaussian array
since it meets all the requirements that I have expoused on my page.
He doesn't use computor programs but basic mathematics to provide all
the desirables plus a radiation field. This array is really a
derivitation of one designed some 50 years ago and is the only one I
know that exists in literature. If you study this chapter and relate
it to what I am expousing then possible you will see things with fresh
eyes. But again if you are not fully educated in this field save your
self from the bother. I personaly have a program that if you isert any
fugure and tell it to obtain maximim gain I assure you it will not
produce a yagi but a gaussian array........ and I am thrilled with
that.
Nuff said
Art

Art,

You seem to have misunderstood my point.

AAALLLLLL antennas, regardless of structure, material, efficiency,
resonance, location, or phase of the moon are Gaussian. Gauss' Law is an
integral part of classical electromagnetics. Nothing can escape.

No, I do not have an engineering degree, but I do have several degrees
in physics. Unfortunately, I am significantly dumber than a rock, so I
have no more to offer in this thread.

73,
Gene
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Watch out Gene, I stated that Statics was a subset of electromagnetics
and I caught hell from everybody. Seems like things are infectional
around here.The book that I proferred would really be to much for a
lot of people no matter how much they over estimate their abilities
especially when they try to debate reasons why the writer is incorrect!
When I asked for academic help regarding research I got an Email from
a guy at the space antenna agency who referred me to chapter 1 and 21.
I never dreamt that I would find an actual array with all elements
resonant being discussed

Art

STATICS, I assume you man electrostatics is not a subset of magnetism but in
a lot a lot of ways an analogy can bee drawn between the two. For example
the attractive force betwen to charged particles is inversely proportional
to the square of the distance, this is also true for magnetic particles but
they really have nothing to do with each other.. Art sometimes I think you
are confusing what Gauss wrote about statistics with statics. He did a lot
more work with mathmatics including statistics than he ever did with
magnatism. Your references to Gaussian field further strengthens my belief
since Gausian field refers to a statistical distribution also known as a
Guassian distibution, aka normal distribution.

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There is no doubt that Gauss was more interested in mathematics
than electromagnetism since he was a mathematician and where he is
most known. But mathematics has been the basis for exploration of our
universe in that both are bound by equilibrium ( see George Greens
work that was later parlayed as the works of other mathematicians
centuries later)and it is in matters in equilibrium that most of the
masters opened up the secrets of nature. Because laws are based on
mathematics they can flow easily from subject to subject as opposed to
theorems. Another thing that Gauss found was the mathematics so
usefull in
todays communication fields i.e. cell communications and the Gauss
name has been attached to antenna arrays purely by virtue of the use
of mathematics derived from more than a century ago and yet Gauss can
not be faulted by not refering to cell comunications as well as not
being faulted to his lack of reference to antennas or yagis. The
important point that one must draw from the masters is that
mathematics is all about equilibrium which is also the basic law of
nature and if one doesnt understand the underpinnings of equilibrium
then one cannot build on what the masters have given us
Art

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On 24 Feb, 10:13, "Frank's"
wrote:
Gene, forgive me if I am incorrect but I am going to assume you have
an engineering degree and are fully conversant with the work of the
masters. I f I am not correct then we can stop at this point Otherwise
I fully recommend that you check out the web foe a book on fields and
waves or something like that by a professor at Rutgers University. In
chapter 21 he delves very deeply into an array consisting of four
elements all of which are resonant.

You really need to learn how to communicate your ideas. You don't know
or
won't say the author or the title of the book, or you would just have
us
guess.

Ofcourse he doesn't mention anything of mine but you will notice that
the array he chose is actually what I refer to as a Gaussian array
since it meets all the requirements that I have

Could this be the book?

http://www.ece.rutgers.edu/~orfanidi/ewa/- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yup.
The arrays are in simplistic form but will allow for free movement of
individual thought in line with my proposal.
Actually it is quite a good book on the subject of antennas but over
and above the level of the ARRL publications which will make it
frightening to most visitors to this newsgroup
Art

looks like a relatively straight forward review of general electromagnetics
and antennas to me. just which chapter do you think shows your type of
antenna?? and why?

On 24 Feb, 11:00, "Jimmie D" wrote:
"art" wrote in message

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On 23 Feb, 20:05, Gene Fuller wrote:
art wrote:
On 23 Feb, 15:07, Gene Fuller wrote:

To keep it simple, Gauss' Law is precisely one of the four standard
Maxwell Equations. Gauss' Law has been part of electromagnetics and
antenna theory for eons.

As for electromechanics, who knows?

73,
Gene
W4SZ

Gene, forgive me if I am incorrect but I am going to assume you have
an engineering degree and are fully conversant with the work of the
masters. I f I am not correct then we can stop at this point Otherwise
I fully recommend that you check out the web foe a book on fields and
waves or something like that by a professor at Rutgers University. In
chapter 21 he delves very deeply into an array consisting of four
elements all of which are resonant.
Ofcourse he doesn't mention anything of mine but you will notice that
the array he chose is actually what I refer to as a Gaussian array
since it meets all the requirements that I have expoused on my page.
He doesn't use computor programs but basic mathematics to provide all
the desirables plus a radiation field. This array is really a
derivitation of one designed some 50 years ago and is the only one I
know that exists in literature. If you study this chapter and relate
it to what I am expousing then possible you will see things with fresh
eyes. But again if you are not fully educated in this field save your
self from the bother. I personaly have a program that if you isert any
fugure and tell it to obtain maximim gain I assure you it will not
produce a yagi but a gaussian array........ and I am thrilled with
that.
Nuff said
Art

Art,

You seem to have misunderstood my point.

AAALLLLLL antennas, regardless of structure, material, efficiency,
resonance, location, or phase of the moon are Gaussian. Gauss' Law is an
integral part of classical electromagnetics. Nothing can escape.

No, I do not have an engineering degree, but I do have several degrees
in physics. Unfortunately, I am significantly dumber than a rock, so I
have no more to offer in this thread.

73,
Gene
W4SZ- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Watch out Gene, I stated that Statics was a subset of electromagnetics
and I caught hell from everybody. Seems like things are infectional
around here.The book that I proferred would really be to much for a
lot of people no matter how much they over estimate their abilities
especially when they try to debate reasons why the writer is incorrect!
When I asked for academic help regarding research I got an Email from
a guy at the space antenna agency who referred me to chapter 1 and 21.
I never dreamt that I would find an actual array with all elements
resonant being discussed

Art

STATICS, I assume you man electrostatics is not a subset of magnetism but in
a lot a lot of ways an analogy can bee drawn between the two. For example
the attractive force betwen to charged particles is inversely proportional
to the square of the distance, this is also true for magnetic particles but
they really have nothing to do with each other.

Whoooa kind sir where is that written? Thats like saying kinetic
energy is not related to potential energy. Where on earth did that
saying come from? I'll be on the net for a while if you want to debate
that. I cleared all the snow off my driveway and the following day i
went down on ice.Now my leg is wrapped up straight and I am on
crutches. Make the rest of my day happy
Art












.. Art sometimes I think you
are confusing what Gauss wrote about statistics with statics. He did a lot
more work with mathmatics including statistics than he ever did with
magnatism. Your references to Gaussian field further strengthens my belief
since Gausian field refers to a statistical distribution also known as a
Guassian distibution, aka normal distribution.

Jimmie- Hide quoted text -

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On 24 Feb, 12:42, "Dave" wrote:
"art" wrote in message

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On 24 Feb, 10:13, "Frank's"
wrote:
Gene, forgive me if I am incorrect but I am going to assume you have
an engineering degree and are fully conversant with the work of the
masters. I f I am not correct then we can stop at this point Otherwise
I fully recommend that you check out the web foe a book on fields and
waves or something like that by a professor at Rutgers University. In
chapter 21 he delves very deeply into an array consisting of four
elements all of which are resonant.

You really need to learn how to communicate your ideas. You don't know
or
won't say the author or the title of the book, or you would just have
us
guess.

Ofcourse he doesn't mention anything of mine but you will notice that
the array he chose is actually what I refer to as a Gaussian array
since it meets all the requirements that I have

Could this be the book?

http://www.ece.rutgers.edu/~orfanidi/ewa/-Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yup.
The arrays are in simplistic form but will allow for free movement of
individual thought in line with my proposal.
Actually it is quite a good book on the subject of antennas but over
and above the level of the ARRL publications which will make it
frightening to most visitors to this newsgroup
Art

looks like a relatively straight forward review of general electromagnetics
and antennas to me. just which chapter do you think shows your type of
antenna?? and why?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

David, I do not work for you and I am not looking for employment
from you. Sometimes the World is tough and you have to do things for
yourself even if you are doing only what others have done before you
and got away with

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On 24 Feb, 12:42, "Dave" wrote:
"art" wrote in message

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On 24 Feb, 10:13, "Frank's"
wrote:
Gene, forgive me if I am incorrect but I am going to assume you
have
an engineering degree and are fully conversant with the work of the
masters. I f I am not correct then we can stop at this point
Otherwise
I fully recommend that you check out the web foe a book on fields
and
waves or something like that by a professor at Rutgers University.
In
chapter 21 he delves very deeply into an array consisting of four
elements all of which are resonant.

You really need to learn how to communicate your ideas. You don't
know
or
won't say the author or the title of the book, or you would just
have
us
guess.

Ofcourse he doesn't mention anything of mine but you will notice
that
the array he chose is actually what I refer to as a Gaussian array
since it meets all the requirements that I have

Could this be the book?

http://www.ece.rutgers.edu/~orfanidi/ewa/-Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yup.
The arrays are in simplistic form but will allow for free movement of
individual thought in line with my proposal.
Actually it is quite a good book on the subject of antennas but over
and above the level of the ARRL publications which will make it
frightening to most visitors to this newsgroup
Art

looks like a relatively straight forward review of general
electromagnetics
and antennas to me. just which chapter do you think shows your type of
antenna?? and why?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

David, I do not work for you and I am not looking for employment
from you. Sometimes the World is tough and you have to do things for
yourself even if you are doing only what others have done before you
and got away with

say what?

On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:57:38 GMT, "Dave" wrote:

David, I do not work for you and I am not looking for employment
from you. Sometimes the World is tough and you have to do things for
yourself even if you are doing only what others have done before you
and got away with

say what?

Gauss, forgive them for they know not what they've done.

Richard Clark wrote:

...
Gauss, forgive them for they know not what they've done.

May the lines of force be with them ...

JS

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On 24 Feb, 11:00, "Jimmie D" wrote:
"art" wrote in message

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On 23 Feb, 20:05, Gene Fuller wrote:
art wrote:
On 23 Feb, 15:07, Gene Fuller wrote:

To keep it simple, Gauss' Law is precisely one of the four standard
Maxwell Equations. Gauss' Law has been part of electromagnetics and
antenna theory for eons.

As for electromechanics, who knows?

73,
Gene
W4SZ

Gene, forgive me if I am incorrect but I am going to assume you have
an engineering degree and are fully conversant with the work of the
masters. I f I am not correct then we can stop at this point
Otherwise
I fully recommend that you check out the web foe a book on fields
and
waves or something like that by a professor at Rutgers University.
In
chapter 21 he delves very deeply into an array consisting of four
elements all of which are resonant.
Ofcourse he doesn't mention anything of mine but you will notice
that
the array he chose is actually what I refer to as a Gaussian array
since it meets all the requirements that I have expoused on my page.
He doesn't use computor programs but basic mathematics to provide
all
the desirables plus a radiation field. This array is really a
derivitation of one designed some 50 years ago and is the only one I
know that exists in literature. If you study this chapter and relate
it to what I am expousing then possible you will see things with
fresh
eyes. But again if you are not fully educated in this field save
your
self from the bother. I personaly have a program that if you isert
any
fugure and tell it to obtain maximim gain I assure you it will not
produce a yagi but a gaussian array........ and I am thrilled with
that.
Nuff said
Art

Art,

You seem to have misunderstood my point.

AAALLLLLL antennas, regardless of structure, material, efficiency,
resonance, location, or phase of the moon are Gaussian. Gauss' Law is
an
integral part of classical electromagnetics. Nothing can escape.

No, I do not have an engineering degree, but I do have several degrees
in physics. Unfortunately, I am significantly dumber than a rock, so I
have no more to offer in this thread.

73,
Gene
W4SZ- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Watch out Gene, I stated that Statics was a subset of electromagnetics
and I caught hell from everybody. Seems like things are infectional
around here.The book that I proferred would really be to much for a
lot of people no matter how much they over estimate their abilities
especially when they try to debate reasons why the writer is incorrect!
When I asked for academic help regarding research I got an Email from
a guy at the space antenna agency who referred me to chapter 1 and 21.
I never dreamt that I would find an actual array with all elements
resonant being discussed

Art

STATICS, I assume you man electrostatics is not a subset of magnetism but
in
a lot a lot of ways an analogy can bee drawn between the two. For example
the attractive force betwen to charged particles is inversely
proportional
to the square of the distance, this is also true for magnetic particles
but
they really have nothing to do with each other.

Whoooa kind sir where is that written? Thats like saying kinetic
energy is not related to potential energy. Where on earth did that
saying come from? I'll be on the net for a while if you want to debate
that. I cleared all the snow off my driveway and the following day i
went down on ice.Now my leg is wrapped up straight and I am on
crutches. Make the rest of my day happy
Art












. Art sometimes I think you
are confusing what Gauss wrote about statistics with statics. He did a
lot
more work with mathmatics including statistics than he ever did with
magnatism. Your references to Gaussian field further strengthens my
belief
since Gausian field refers to a statistical distribution also known as a
Guassian distibution, aka normal distribution.

Jimmie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I dont work for yoU AND HAVE NO ATTENTION OF WORKING FOR YOU CANT YOU GO
OUT AND FIND SOMETHING FOR YOURSELF.

On Feb 23, 7:15 pm, craigm wrote:
art wrote:

Gene, forgive me if I am incorrect but I am going to assume you have
an engineering degree and are fully conversant with the work of the
masters. I f I am not correct then we can stop at this point Otherwise
I fully recommend that you check out the web foe a book on fields and
waves or something like that by a professor at Rutgers University. In
chapter 21 he delves very deeply into an array consisting of four
elements all of which are resonant.

You really need to learn how to communicate your ideas. You don't know or
won't say the author or the title of the book, or you would just have us
guess.

Sophocles Orfanidis
"Electromagnetic Waves and Antennas"
http://www.ece.rutgers.edu/~orfanidi/ewa/

Quite a handy resource.

On Feb 23, 11:35 pm, "art" wrote:
On 23 Feb, 20:05, Gene Fuller wrote:





art wrote:
On 23 Feb, 15:07, Gene Fuller wrote:

To keep it simple, Gauss' Law is precisely one of the four standard
Maxwell Equations. Gauss' Law has been part of electromagnetics and
antenna theory for eons.

As for electromechanics, who knows?

73,
Gene
W4SZ

Gene, forgive me if I am incorrect but I am going to assume you have
an engineering degree and are fully conversant with the work of the
masters. I f I am not correct then we can stop at this point Otherwise
I fully recommend that you check out the web foe a book on fields and
waves or something like that by a professor at Rutgers University. In
chapter 21 he delves very deeply into an array consisting of four
elements all of which are resonant.
Ofcourse he doesn't mention anything of mine but you will notice that
the array he chose is actually what I refer to as a Gaussian array
since it meets all the requirements that I have expoused on my page.
He doesn't use computor programs but basic mathematics to provide all
the desirables plus a radiation field. This array is really a
derivitation of one designed some 50 years ago and is the only one I
know that exists in literature. If you study this chapter and relate
it to what I am expousing then possible you will see things with fresh
eyes. But again if you are not fully educated in this field save your
self from the bother. I personaly have a program that if you isert any
fugure and tell it to obtain maximim gain I assure you it will not
produce a yagi but a gaussian array........ and I am thrilled with
that.
Nuff said
Art

Art,

You seem to have misunderstood my point.

AAALLLLLL antennas, regardless of structure, material, efficiency,
resonance, location, or phase of the moon are Gaussian. Gauss' Law is an
integral part of classical electromagnetics. Nothing can escape.

No, I do not have an engineering degree, but I do have several degrees
in physics. Unfortunately, I am significantly dumber than a rock, so I
have no more to offer in this thread.

73,
Gene
W4SZ- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Watch out Gene, I stated that Statics was a subset of electromagnetics
and I caught hell from everybody. Seems like things are infectional
around here.The book that I proferred would really be to much for a
lot of people no matter how much they over estimate their abilities
especially when they try to debate reasons why the writer is incorrect!
When I asked for academic help regarding research I got an Email from
a guy at the space antenna agency who referred me to chapter 1 and 21.
I never dreamt that I would find an actual array with all elements
resonant being discussed

Art- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

no need to be surprised at having an antenna with elements that are
all phased. I doubt if ther is anyone on the news group that doesnt
know that a Yagi Uda antenna doesnt represent some kind of comprimise
to an antenna with all of the elements feed. No one has ever said
otherwise although you have claimed they have.
The problem with having all the elements feed is that it is
impractical to control power distribution and phasing when changing
frequencies. The Yagi Uda overcomes this problem at a slight cost in
gain. Your idea of an antenna with multiple fed resonant elements is a
giant step backwards to a day when high gain steerable antennas were
impractical most of the hams who didnt have the money or the real
estate for huge arrays

Antenna with multiple resonant element all being fed is very common in
RADAR and space communication, you can achive very high gains in this
manner just as you have stated. It is also very expensive, has narrow
bandwidth and is a mechanical nightmare. NASA, AM BCB, commercial
shortwave stations and various other agencies and private companies
sometimes have a need for this type of antenna and they they have the
money to build them, few hams do. The Yagi Uda antenna just fills a
practical niche in antenna requirements. No ham I know of ever thought
the Yagi antenna was the end-all of antennas as you have claimed.
While it may not have the highest gain it certainly is the most
practical antenna for a lot of us.

Jimmie