On 23 Feb, 20:05, Gene Fuller wrote:
art wrote:
On 23 Feb, 15:07, Gene Fuller wrote:

To keep it simple, Gauss' Law is precisely one of the four standard
Maxwell Equations. Gauss' Law has been part of electromagnetics and
antenna theory for eons.

As for electromechanics, who knows?

73,
Gene
W4SZ

Gene, forgive me if I am incorrect but I am going to assume you have
an engineering degree and are fully conversant with the work of the
masters. I f I am not correct then we can stop at this point Otherwise
I fully recommend that you check out the web foe a book on fields and
waves or something like that by a professor at Rutgers University. In
chapter 21 he delves very deeply into an array consisting of four
elements all of which are resonant.
Ofcourse he doesn't mention anything of mine but you will notice that
the array he chose is actually what I refer to as a Gaussian array
since it meets all the requirements that I have expoused on my page.
He doesn't use computor programs but basic mathematics to provide all
the desirables plus a radiation field. This array is really a
derivitation of one designed some 50 years ago and is the only one I
know that exists in literature. If you study this chapter and relate
it to what I am expousing then possible you will see things with fresh
eyes. But again if you are not fully educated in this field save your
self from the bother. I personaly have a program that if you isert any
fugure and tell it to obtain maximim gain I assure you it will not
produce a yagi but a gaussian array........ and I am thrilled with
that.
Nuff said
Art

Art,

You seem to have misunderstood my point.

AAALLLLLL antennas, regardless of structure, material, efficiency,
resonance, location, or phase of the moon are Gaussian. Gauss' Law is an
integral part of classical electromagnetics. Nothing can escape.

No, I do not have an engineering degree, but I do have several degrees
in physics. Unfortunately, I am significantly dumber than a rock, so I
have no more to offer in this thread.

73,
Gene
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Watch out Gene, I stated that Statics was a subset of electromagnetics
and I caught hell from everybody. Seems like things are infectional
around here.The book that I proferred would really be to much for a
lot of people no matter how much they over estimate their abilities
especially when they try to debate reasons why the writer is incorrect!
When I asked for academic help regarding research I got an Email from
a guy at the space antenna agency who referred me to chapter 1 and 21.
I never dreamt that I would find an actual array with all elements
resonant being discussed

Art

On 23 Feb 2007 20:35:50 -0800, "art" wrote:

I never dreamt that I would find an actual array with all elements
resonant being discussed

You don't have to dream, we've discussed many multi resonant arrays.
I've pointed you to a site with 100's of them, and Roy is the author
on the best of them, four squares. It's quite conventional discussion
here actually, but few coming to this group know how to manage the
mutual coupling (something that Gauss wrote about). The many
differences between Roy's writing and yours is that he supplies
accurate design details, complete models, references, coupling
parameters, and characteristics, all that are repeatedly VERIFIED.

There is only one question that remains, really, what is IT that you
are claiming?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:52:56 -0800, Richard Clark
wrote:

There is only one question that remains, really, what is IT that you
are claiming?

Hmm, killer question no doubt. A Broadway producer once sagely noted
that if you cannot express your idea on the back of business card, you
don't really have much to offer.

If we are to rummage through the dusty attic of rambling thoughts:
Pretty much everybody scorned the idea that antennas could be
made better than the yagi because all was known let alone a completely
new
line of designs which were not made up of parassitic elements let
alone of
mainly resonant elements in cluster form for choice of polarity.

Would it be galling, Art, for you to be the last to know that Roy has
been publishing Gaussian antennas (not his term, thankfully) for years
and distributed freely with every copy of his modeling software? Would
it be unsettling to realize that Hams have been building them for
decades? Would you be stunned to learn that their theory has been
explained since Marconi was only operating at 5WPM?

Surprised? Consult the Radiotelegraphy chapter of "Standard Handbook
for Electrical Engineers," 1907-1917. Pay attention to the design
called "Bellini-Tosi directive antenna."
"By placing the moving coil in the proper position
signals can be sent in any plane desired."

This was at least 20 years before Yagi and Uda.

An online reference to them 101 years ago:
http://souvenirs-de-mer.blogdns.net/article64.html
or from 102 years ago:
http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:...ient=firefox-a
dating back 107 years ago:
http://dspt.club.fr/Applications.htm

This topic is so old it creaks everytime the casket is robbed.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

"art" wrote in message
ups.com...
On 23 Feb, 20:05, Gene Fuller wrote:
art wrote:
On 23 Feb, 15:07, Gene Fuller wrote:

To keep it simple, Gauss' Law is precisely one of the four standard
Maxwell Equations. Gauss' Law has been part of electromagnetics and
antenna theory for eons.

As for electromechanics, who knows?

73,
Gene
W4SZ

Gene, forgive me if I am incorrect but I am going to assume you have
an engineering degree and are fully conversant with the work of the
masters. I f I am not correct then we can stop at this point Otherwise
I fully recommend that you check out the web foe a book on fields and
waves or something like that by a professor at Rutgers University. In
chapter 21 he delves very deeply into an array consisting of four
elements all of which are resonant.
Ofcourse he doesn't mention anything of mine but you will notice that
the array he chose is actually what I refer to as a Gaussian array
since it meets all the requirements that I have expoused on my page.
He doesn't use computor programs but basic mathematics to provide all
the desirables plus a radiation field. This array is really a
derivitation of one designed some 50 years ago and is the only one I
know that exists in literature. If you study this chapter and relate
it to what I am expousing then possible you will see things with fresh
eyes. But again if you are not fully educated in this field save your
self from the bother. I personaly have a program that if you isert any
fugure and tell it to obtain maximim gain I assure you it will not
produce a yagi but a gaussian array........ and I am thrilled with
that.
Nuff said
Art

Art,

You seem to have misunderstood my point.

AAALLLLLL antennas, regardless of structure, material, efficiency,
resonance, location, or phase of the moon are Gaussian. Gauss' Law is an
integral part of classical electromagnetics. Nothing can escape.

No, I do not have an engineering degree, but I do have several degrees
in physics. Unfortunately, I am significantly dumber than a rock, so I
have no more to offer in this thread.

73,
Gene
W4SZ- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Watch out Gene, I stated that Statics was a subset of electromagnetics
and I caught hell from everybody. Seems like things are infectional
around here.The book that I proferred would really be to much for a
lot of people no matter how much they over estimate their abilities
especially when they try to debate reasons why the writer is incorrect!
When I asked for academic help regarding research I got an Email from
a guy at the space antenna agency who referred me to chapter 1 and 21.
I never dreamt that I would find an actual array with all elements
resonant being discussed

Art


STATICS, I assume you man electrostatics is not a subset of magnetism but in
a lot a lot of ways an analogy can bee drawn between the two. For example
the attractive force betwen to charged particles is inversely proportional
to the square of the distance, this is also true for magnetic particles but
they really have nothing to do with each other.. Art sometimes I think you
are confusing what Gauss wrote about statistics with statics. He did a lot
more work with mathmatics including statistics than he ever did with
magnatism. Your references to Gaussian field further strengthens my belief
since Gausian field refers to a statistical distribution also known as a
Guassian distibution, aka normal distribution.

Jimmie

On 24 Feb, 11:00, "Jimmie D" wrote:
"art" wrote in message

ups.com...





On 23 Feb, 20:05, Gene Fuller wrote:
art wrote:
On 23 Feb, 15:07, Gene Fuller wrote:

To keep it simple, Gauss' Law is precisely one of the four standard
Maxwell Equations. Gauss' Law has been part of electromagnetics and
antenna theory for eons.

As for electromechanics, who knows?

73,
Gene
W4SZ

Gene, forgive me if I am incorrect but I am going to assume you have
an engineering degree and are fully conversant with the work of the
masters. I f I am not correct then we can stop at this point Otherwise
I fully recommend that you check out the web foe a book on fields and
waves or something like that by a professor at Rutgers University. In
chapter 21 he delves very deeply into an array consisting of four
elements all of which are resonant.
Ofcourse he doesn't mention anything of mine but you will notice that
the array he chose is actually what I refer to as a Gaussian array
since it meets all the requirements that I have expoused on my page.
He doesn't use computor programs but basic mathematics to provide all
the desirables plus a radiation field. This array is really a
derivitation of one designed some 50 years ago and is the only one I
know that exists in literature. If you study this chapter and relate
it to what I am expousing then possible you will see things with fresh
eyes. But again if you are not fully educated in this field save your
self from the bother. I personaly have a program that if you isert any
fugure and tell it to obtain maximim gain I assure you it will not
produce a yagi but a gaussian array........ and I am thrilled with
that.
Nuff said
Art

Art,

You seem to have misunderstood my point.

AAALLLLLL antennas, regardless of structure, material, efficiency,
resonance, location, or phase of the moon are Gaussian. Gauss' Law is an
integral part of classical electromagnetics. Nothing can escape.

No, I do not have an engineering degree, but I do have several degrees
in physics. Unfortunately, I am significantly dumber than a rock, so I
have no more to offer in this thread.

73,
Gene
W4SZ- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Watch out Gene, I stated that Statics was a subset of electromagnetics
and I caught hell from everybody. Seems like things are infectional
around here.The book that I proferred would really be to much for a
lot of people no matter how much they over estimate their abilities
especially when they try to debate reasons why the writer is incorrect!
When I asked for academic help regarding research I got an Email from
a guy at the space antenna agency who referred me to chapter 1 and 21.
I never dreamt that I would find an actual array with all elements
resonant being discussed

Art

STATICS, I assume you man electrostatics is not a subset of magnetism but in
a lot a lot of ways an analogy can bee drawn between the two. For example
the attractive force betwen to charged particles is inversely proportional
to the square of the distance, this is also true for magnetic particles but
they really have nothing to do with each other.. Art sometimes I think you
are confusing what Gauss wrote about statistics with statics. He did a lot
more work with mathmatics including statistics than he ever did with
magnatism. Your references to Gaussian field further strengthens my belief
since Gausian field refers to a statistical distribution also known as a
Guassian distibution, aka normal distribution.

Jimmie- Hide quoted text -

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There is no doubt that Gauss was more interested in mathematics
than electromagnetism since he was a mathematician and where he is
most known. But mathematics has been the basis for exploration of our
universe in that both are bound by equilibrium ( see George Greens
work that was later parlayed as the works of other mathematicians
centuries later)and it is in matters in equilibrium that most of the
masters opened up the secrets of nature. Because laws are based on
mathematics they can flow easily from subject to subject as opposed to
theorems. Another thing that Gauss found was the mathematics so
usefull in
todays communication fields i.e. cell communications and the Gauss
name has been attached to antenna arrays purely by virtue of the use
of mathematics derived from more than a century ago and yet Gauss can
not be faulted by not refering to cell comunications as well as not
being faulted to his lack of reference to antennas or yagis. The
important point that one must draw from the masters is that
mathematics is all about equilibrium which is also the basic law of
nature and if one doesnt understand the underpinnings of equilibrium
then one cannot build on what the masters have given us
Art

On 24 Feb, 11:00, "Jimmie D" wrote:
"art" wrote in message

ups.com...





On 23 Feb, 20:05, Gene Fuller wrote:
art wrote:
On 23 Feb, 15:07, Gene Fuller wrote:

To keep it simple, Gauss' Law is precisely one of the four standard
Maxwell Equations. Gauss' Law has been part of electromagnetics and
antenna theory for eons.

As for electromechanics, who knows?

73,
Gene
W4SZ

Gene, forgive me if I am incorrect but I am going to assume you have
an engineering degree and are fully conversant with the work of the
masters. I f I am not correct then we can stop at this point Otherwise
I fully recommend that you check out the web foe a book on fields and
waves or something like that by a professor at Rutgers University. In
chapter 21 he delves very deeply into an array consisting of four
elements all of which are resonant.
Ofcourse he doesn't mention anything of mine but you will notice that
the array he chose is actually what I refer to as a Gaussian array
since it meets all the requirements that I have expoused on my page.
He doesn't use computor programs but basic mathematics to provide all
the desirables plus a radiation field. This array is really a
derivitation of one designed some 50 years ago and is the only one I
know that exists in literature. If you study this chapter and relate
it to what I am expousing then possible you will see things with fresh
eyes. But again if you are not fully educated in this field save your
self from the bother. I personaly have a program that if you isert any
fugure and tell it to obtain maximim gain I assure you it will not
produce a yagi but a gaussian array........ and I am thrilled with
that.
Nuff said
Art

Art,

You seem to have misunderstood my point.

AAALLLLLL antennas, regardless of structure, material, efficiency,
resonance, location, or phase of the moon are Gaussian. Gauss' Law is an
integral part of classical electromagnetics. Nothing can escape.

No, I do not have an engineering degree, but I do have several degrees
in physics. Unfortunately, I am significantly dumber than a rock, so I
have no more to offer in this thread.

73,
Gene
W4SZ- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Watch out Gene, I stated that Statics was a subset of electromagnetics
and I caught hell from everybody. Seems like things are infectional
around here.The book that I proferred would really be to much for a
lot of people no matter how much they over estimate their abilities
especially when they try to debate reasons why the writer is incorrect!
When I asked for academic help regarding research I got an Email from
a guy at the space antenna agency who referred me to chapter 1 and 21.
I never dreamt that I would find an actual array with all elements
resonant being discussed

Art

STATICS, I assume you man electrostatics is not a subset of magnetism but in
a lot a lot of ways an analogy can bee drawn between the two. For example
the attractive force betwen to charged particles is inversely proportional
to the square of the distance, this is also true for magnetic particles but
they really have nothing to do with each other.

Whoooa kind sir where is that written? Thats like saying kinetic
energy is not related to potential energy. Where on earth did that
saying come from? I'll be on the net for a while if you want to debate
that. I cleared all the snow off my driveway and the following day i
went down on ice.Now my leg is wrapped up straight and I am on
crutches. Make the rest of my day happy
Art












.. Art sometimes I think you
are confusing what Gauss wrote about statistics with statics. He did a lot
more work with mathmatics including statistics than he ever did with
magnatism. Your references to Gaussian field further strengthens my belief
since Gausian field refers to a statistical distribution also known as a
Guassian distibution, aka normal distribution.

Jimmie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"art" wrote in message
oups.com...
On 24 Feb, 11:00, "Jimmie D" wrote:
"art" wrote in message

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On 23 Feb, 20:05, Gene Fuller wrote:
art wrote:
On 23 Feb, 15:07, Gene Fuller wrote:

To keep it simple, Gauss' Law is precisely one of the four standard
Maxwell Equations. Gauss' Law has been part of electromagnetics and
antenna theory for eons.

As for electromechanics, who knows?

73,
Gene
W4SZ

Gene, forgive me if I am incorrect but I am going to assume you have
an engineering degree and are fully conversant with the work of the
masters. I f I am not correct then we can stop at this point
Otherwise
I fully recommend that you check out the web foe a book on fields
and
waves or something like that by a professor at Rutgers University.
In
chapter 21 he delves very deeply into an array consisting of four
elements all of which are resonant.
Ofcourse he doesn't mention anything of mine but you will notice
that
the array he chose is actually what I refer to as a Gaussian array
since it meets all the requirements that I have expoused on my page.
He doesn't use computor programs but basic mathematics to provide
all
the desirables plus a radiation field. This array is really a
derivitation of one designed some 50 years ago and is the only one I
know that exists in literature. If you study this chapter and relate
it to what I am expousing then possible you will see things with
fresh
eyes. But again if you are not fully educated in this field save
your
self from the bother. I personaly have a program that if you isert
any
fugure and tell it to obtain maximim gain I assure you it will not
produce a yagi but a gaussian array........ and I am thrilled with
that.
Nuff said
Art

Art,

You seem to have misunderstood my point.

AAALLLLLL antennas, regardless of structure, material, efficiency,
resonance, location, or phase of the moon are Gaussian. Gauss' Law is
an
integral part of classical electromagnetics. Nothing can escape.

No, I do not have an engineering degree, but I do have several degrees
in physics. Unfortunately, I am significantly dumber than a rock, so I
have no more to offer in this thread.

73,
Gene
W4SZ- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Watch out Gene, I stated that Statics was a subset of electromagnetics
and I caught hell from everybody. Seems like things are infectional
around here.The book that I proferred would really be to much for a
lot of people no matter how much they over estimate their abilities
especially when they try to debate reasons why the writer is incorrect!
When I asked for academic help regarding research I got an Email from
a guy at the space antenna agency who referred me to chapter 1 and 21.
I never dreamt that I would find an actual array with all elements
resonant being discussed

Art

STATICS, I assume you man electrostatics is not a subset of magnetism but
in
a lot a lot of ways an analogy can bee drawn between the two. For example
the attractive force betwen to charged particles is inversely
proportional
to the square of the distance, this is also true for magnetic particles
but
they really have nothing to do with each other.

Whoooa kind sir where is that written? Thats like saying kinetic
energy is not related to potential energy. Where on earth did that
saying come from? I'll be on the net for a while if you want to debate
that. I cleared all the snow off my driveway and the following day i
went down on ice.Now my leg is wrapped up straight and I am on
crutches. Make the rest of my day happy
Art












. Art sometimes I think you
are confusing what Gauss wrote about statistics with statics. He did a
lot
more work with mathmatics including statistics than he ever did with
magnatism. Your references to Gaussian field further strengthens my
belief
since Gausian field refers to a statistical distribution also known as a
Guassian distibution, aka normal distribution.

Jimmie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I dont work for yoU AND HAVE NO ATTENTION OF WORKING FOR YOU CANT YOU GO
OUT AND FIND SOMETHING FOR YOURSELF.

On Feb 23, 11:35 pm, "art" wrote:
On 23 Feb, 20:05, Gene Fuller wrote:





art wrote:
On 23 Feb, 15:07, Gene Fuller wrote:

To keep it simple, Gauss' Law is precisely one of the four standard
Maxwell Equations. Gauss' Law has been part of electromagnetics and
antenna theory for eons.

As for electromechanics, who knows?

73,
Gene
W4SZ

Gene, forgive me if I am incorrect but I am going to assume you have
an engineering degree and are fully conversant with the work of the
masters. I f I am not correct then we can stop at this point Otherwise
I fully recommend that you check out the web foe a book on fields and
waves or something like that by a professor at Rutgers University. In
chapter 21 he delves very deeply into an array consisting of four
elements all of which are resonant.
Ofcourse he doesn't mention anything of mine but you will notice that
the array he chose is actually what I refer to as a Gaussian array
since it meets all the requirements that I have expoused on my page.
He doesn't use computor programs but basic mathematics to provide all
the desirables plus a radiation field. This array is really a
derivitation of one designed some 50 years ago and is the only one I
know that exists in literature. If you study this chapter and relate
it to what I am expousing then possible you will see things with fresh
eyes. But again if you are not fully educated in this field save your
self from the bother. I personaly have a program that if you isert any
fugure and tell it to obtain maximim gain I assure you it will not
produce a yagi but a gaussian array........ and I am thrilled with
that.
Nuff said
Art

Art,

You seem to have misunderstood my point.

AAALLLLLL antennas, regardless of structure, material, efficiency,
resonance, location, or phase of the moon are Gaussian. Gauss' Law is an
integral part of classical electromagnetics. Nothing can escape.

No, I do not have an engineering degree, but I do have several degrees
in physics. Unfortunately, I am significantly dumber than a rock, so I
have no more to offer in this thread.

73,
Gene
W4SZ- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Watch out Gene, I stated that Statics was a subset of electromagnetics
and I caught hell from everybody. Seems like things are infectional
around here.The book that I proferred would really be to much for a
lot of people no matter how much they over estimate their abilities
especially when they try to debate reasons why the writer is incorrect!
When I asked for academic help regarding research I got an Email from
a guy at the space antenna agency who referred me to chapter 1 and 21.
I never dreamt that I would find an actual array with all elements
resonant being discussed

Art- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

no need to be surprised at having an antenna with elements that are
all phased. I doubt if ther is anyone on the news group that doesnt
know that a Yagi Uda antenna doesnt represent some kind of comprimise
to an antenna with all of the elements feed. No one has ever said
otherwise although you have claimed they have.
The problem with having all the elements feed is that it is
impractical to control power distribution and phasing when changing
frequencies. The Yagi Uda overcomes this problem at a slight cost in
gain. Your idea of an antenna with multiple fed resonant elements is a
giant step backwards to a day when high gain steerable antennas were
impractical most of the hams who didnt have the money or the real
estate for huge arrays

Antenna with multiple resonant element all being fed is very common in
RADAR and space communication, you can achive very high gains in this
manner just as you have stated. It is also very expensive, has narrow
bandwidth and is a mechanical nightmare. NASA, AM BCB, commercial
shortwave stations and various other agencies and private companies
sometimes have a need for this type of antenna and they they have the
money to build them, few hams do. The Yagi Uda antenna just fills a
practical niche in antenna requirements. No ham I know of ever thought
the Yagi antenna was the end-all of antennas as you have claimed.
While it may not have the highest gain it certainly is the most
practical antenna for a lot of us.

Jimmie

On 27 Feb, 11:16, "JIMMIE" wrote:
On Feb 23, 11:35 pm, "art" wrote:





On 23 Feb, 20:05, Gene Fuller wrote:

art wrote:
On 23 Feb, 15:07, Gene Fuller wrote:

To keep it simple, Gauss' Law is precisely one of the four standard
Maxwell Equations. Gauss' Law has been part of electromagnetics and
antenna theory for eons.

As for electromechanics, who knows?

73,
Gene
W4SZ

Gene, forgive me if I am incorrect but I am going to assume you have
an engineering degree and are fully conversant with the work of the
masters. I f I am not correct then we can stop at this point Otherwise
I fully recommend that you check out the web foe a book on fields and
waves or something like that by a professor at Rutgers University. In
chapter 21 he delves very deeply into an array consisting of four
elements all of which are resonant.
Ofcourse he doesn't mention anything of mine but you will notice that
the array he chose is actually what I refer to as a Gaussian array
since it meets all the requirements that I have expoused on my page.
He doesn't use computor programs but basic mathematics to provide all
the desirables plus a radiation field. This array is really a
derivitation of one designed some 50 years ago and is the only one I
know that exists in literature. If you study this chapter and relate
it to what I am expousing then possible you will see things with fresh
eyes. But again if you are not fully educated in this field save your
self from the bother. I personaly have a program that if you isert any
fugure and tell it to obtain maximim gain I assure you it will not
produce a yagi but a gaussian array........ and I am thrilled with
that.
Nuff said
Art

Art,

You seem to have misunderstood my point.

AAALLLLLL antennas, regardless of structure, material, efficiency,
resonance, location, or phase of the moon are Gaussian. Gauss' Law is an
integral part of classical electromagnetics. Nothing can escape.

No, I do not have an engineering degree, but I do have several degrees
in physics. Unfortunately, I am significantly dumber than a rock, so I
have no more to offer in this thread.

73,
Gene
W4SZ- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Watch out Gene, I stated that Statics was a subset of electromagnetics
and I caught hell from everybody. Seems like things are infectional
around here.The book that I proferred would really be to much for a
lot of people no matter how much they over estimate their abilities
especially when they try to debate reasons why the writer is incorrect!
When I asked for academic help regarding research I got an Email from
a guy at the space antenna agency who referred me to chapter 1 and 21.
I never dreamt that I would find an actual array with all elements
resonant being discussed

Art- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

no need to be surprised at having an antenna with elements that are
all phased. I doubt if ther is anyone on the news group that doesnt
know that a Yagi Uda antenna doesnt represent some kind of comprimise
to an antenna with all of the elements feed. No one has ever said
otherwise although you have claimed they have.
The problem with having all the elements feed is that it is
impractical to control power distribution and phasing when changing
frequencies. The Yagi Uda overcomes this problem at a slight cost in
gain. Your idea of an antenna with multiple fed resonant elements is a
giant step backwards to a day when high gain steerable antennas were
impractical most of the hams who didnt have the money or the real
estate for huge arrays

Antenna with multiple resonant element all being fed is very common in
RADAR and space communication, you can achive very high gains in this
manner just as you have stated. It is also very expensive, has narrow
bandwidth and is a mechanical nightmare. NASA, AM BCB, commercial
shortwave stations and various other agencies and private companies
sometimes have a need for this type of antenna and they they have the
money to build them, few hams do. The Yagi Uda antenna just fills a
practical niche in antenna requirements. No ham I know of ever thought
the Yagi antenna was the end-all of antennas as you have claimed.
While it may not have the highest gain it certainly is the most
practical antenna for a lot of us.

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Jimmie, I have to congratulate you on your posting
and your width of knoweledge.
I for one was unaware that what I call a gaussian
array was in publication and I would really
appreciate a pointer where I could obtain more
information on this. I have a multitude of books with
respect to fields and waves plus antennas but with
the advance of new technologies it is difficult for
my bill fold to keep pace.
As a further favor could you repeat the program test
I proffered in my latest posting? I am asking since
I know that your responses would be very
worthwhile in reading since you appear to be a
scholar that searches for truth
and you would not be afraid to publisize your
program used and result for the benefit
of all.
Thank you for your input and hopefully you
will continue sharing
Best regards
Art KB9MZ

On 27 Feb, 11:16, "JIMMIE" wrote:
On Feb 23, 11:35 pm, "art" wrote:





On 23 Feb, 20:05, Gene Fuller wrote:

art wrote:
On 23 Feb, 15:07, Gene Fuller wrote:

To keep it simple, Gauss' Law is precisely one of the four standard
Maxwell Equations. Gauss' Law has been part of electromagnetics and
antenna theory for eons.

As for electromechanics, who knows?

73,
Gene
W4SZ

Gene, forgive me if I am incorrect but I am going to assume you have
an engineering degree and are fully conversant with the work of the
masters. I f I am not correct then we can stop at this point Otherwise
I fully recommend that you check out the web foe a book on fields and
waves or something like that by a professor at Rutgers University. In
chapter 21 he delves very deeply into an array consisting of four
elements all of which are resonant.
Ofcourse he doesn't mention anything of mine but you will notice that
the array he chose is actually what I refer to as a Gaussian array
since it meets all the requirements that I have expoused on my page.
He doesn't use computor programs but basic mathematics to provide all
the desirables plus a radiation field. This array is really a
derivitation of one designed some 50 years ago and is the only one I
know that exists in literature. If you study this chapter and relate
it to what I am expousing then possible you will see things with fresh
eyes. But again if you are not fully educated in this field save your
self from the bother. I personaly have a program that if you isert any
fugure and tell it to obtain maximim gain I assure you it will not
produce a yagi but a gaussian array........ and I am thrilled with
that.
Nuff said
Art

Art,

You seem to have misunderstood my point.

AAALLLLLL antennas, regardless of structure, material, efficiency,
resonance, location, or phase of the moon are Gaussian. Gauss' Law is an
integral part of classical electromagnetics. Nothing can escape.

No, I do not have an engineering degree, but I do have several degrees
in physics. Unfortunately, I am significantly dumber than a rock, so I
have no more to offer in this thread.

73,
Gene
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Watch out Gene, I stated that Statics was a subset of electromagnetics
and I caught hell from everybody. Seems like things are infectional
around here.The book that I proferred would really be to much for a
lot of people no matter how much they over estimate their abilities
especially when they try to debate reasons why the writer is incorrect!
When I asked for academic help regarding research I got an Email from
a guy at the space antenna agency who referred me to chapter 1 and 21.
I never dreamt that I would find an actual array with all elements
resonant being discussed

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no need to be surprised at having an antenna with elements that are
all phased. I doubt if ther is anyone on the news group that doesnt
know that a Yagi Uda antenna doesnt represent some kind of comprimise
to an antenna with all of the elements feed. No one has ever said
otherwise although you have claimed they have.

If I did it was unintensional. I have always stated that a Yagi
because of its constructional ease is difficult to beat

The problem with having all the elements feed is that it is
impractical to control power distribution and phasing when changing
frequencies.
All problems can be overcome and I only pointed that out because
in this case it was a possibility


The Yagi Uda overcomes this problem at a slight cost in
gain.
Pretty hard to comment here since I am not sure of the application in
mind


Your idea of an antenna with multiple fed resonant elements is a
giant step backwards to a day when high gain steerable antennas were
impractical most of the hams who didnt have the money or the real
estate for huge arrays

If size is what you consider important then the gaussian array
deserves to be looked into in that it maximises the use of volume
and not of length to obtain a desirable which means less property
area for a desired gain.




Antenna with multiple resonant element all being fed is very common in
RADAR and space communication, you can achive very high gains in this
manner just as you have stated.

Yes I have seen this in Antennas for everyone especially the crossed
versions
True they are resonant but they follow a empirical design where as the
Gaussian
design can be seen as superior


It is also very expensive, has narrow
bandwidth and is a mechanical nightmare.

Absolutely not true, if an antenna uses parasitic
elements it is the worst possible choice for antenna bandwidth.
Progression of curves produced by the addition of reactances
clearly points this out.

NASA, AM BCB, commercial
shortwave stations and various other agencies and private companies
sometimes have a need for this type of antenna and they they have the
money to build them, few hams do.

Really they have to know about them before they can be considered of
use
and that is for industrial experts to decide. Checking thru patent
files of the U.S. the only reference I came across under the heading
of a gaussian antenna was not even a specific design of an antenna but
a means
of interpretation and channelisation of information gained
using mathematical theorems of Gauss and Green. Can you help me in
that area?

The Yagi Uda antenna just fills a
practical niche in antenna requirements.

Absolutely but science moves on

No ham I know of ever thought
the Yagi antenna was the end-all of antennas as you have claimed.
Well it is extremely popular tho I am sure that many would
consider discarding it if it improved a Yagi a smidgeon,
contesters are insane about that sort of thing

While it may not have the highest gain it certainly is the most
practical antenna for a lot of us.

I totally agree, for the amateur operator it meets all rational means
unless his plot width is half the width reqyuired for the gain
provided by a yagi At that point many would be willing to look
at alteranatives. Pretty hard to swing a long boom yagi around
on a small ship so you look for alternatives.
Weather people are devising means of measuring weather conditions
by overlaying reflections of weather systems from vertical and
horizontal
radiation and then overlaying them with a minimum fo time difference
which needs a different aproach to antennas. You can not tie up
the advance of science by tying it to a Yagi.
I am not saying you are of that attitude but there are so many
that resiswt change regardless of the cost

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Very nice discussion, thanks, not like some of the abusive
forms that have been directed at me which presented zero substance
in support of provided content which amplifys their inadequacies to
all
Very best regards and thanks.
Art KB9MZ