Cecil Moore wrote:
Richard Clark wrote:

Walter Maxwell wrote:

It is true, however, that two non-coherent fields from two different
sources would just plow through each
other with no effect on either.


Does the binary transition from a one micro-degree longer
cycle (non-coherent) to 0 (coherence) same length cycle really
plunge us into a new physical reality of waves colliding with
rebounds and caroms where formerly there was absolutely no
interaction before?


Of course, you are being facetious but the answer is simple.
If the two signals are mutually incoherent, they don't
interfere. Permanent wave cancellation is impossible
between two waves that are not coherent. Hecht in "Optics"
devotes an entire chapter to the "Basics of Coherence Theory".
So do Born and Wolf in "Principles of Optics". Here is what
Walt was obviously saying except in Born and Wolf's words:

"If the two beams originate in the same source, the fluctuations
in the two beams are in general correlated, and the beams are
said to be completely or partially *coherent* depending on
whether the correlation is complete or partial. In beams from
different sources, the fluctuations are completely uncorrelated,
and the beams are said to be mutually *incoherent*. When such
beams from different sources are superposed, no interference is
observed under ordinary experimental conditions, the total intensity
being everywhere the sum of the intensities of the individual beams."

In case you missed it, that says *NO INTERFERENCE* between mutually
incoherent waves. Seems reasonable to say that "no interference"
means the same thing as "no effect".

The last paragraph above is a perfect example of your tendancy to
misinterpret these texts, Cecil. Born and Wolf does not (and would
not) assert that there is "no effect" when mutually incoherent waves
are superposed. It's not reasonable to say that. There is certainly
an effect. In fact Walt and I use the effect whenever we tune our basses.

An illustration can be viewed at:

http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/D...rposition.html

73, Jim AC6XG