"Dale Parfitt" wrote in message
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I cringe at the idea of the news media filtering out the garbage!
It is for the viewer to determine what is garbage and what is not.
Many a multimillionaire owes his fortune to what others have
considered garbage where others have deemed themselves as
educated enough to detrmine what is garbage and what is treasure.
Look at the good side of this picture instead of piling on ridicule.
Here we have is a human being who is fighting for something new
and beneficial to all with all the energy and education that he
has within him so that he can hold on to life. The life he has
is enjoyable because he believes he is on the brink of success,
where his life is still usefull instead of lying on a hospital bed.
For a human to be brought from sadness into happiness is a
wonderfull thing that typifies the human race and encouragement
is what a human needs instead of derision to enjoy a life that
has been given him. It is not sad to see a life ending in enjoyment
but it is sad to pile on derision on how a human carries on the
fight for life even in the light of a meagre education.
If he was my grandpa I would encourage him until the end and be
very proud of him and not use my education to discourage him.
Actually the news media should use that story for those people
who are interested in what is good in life as well as those
who only have derision for the efforts of others.
Regards
Art

Here will be the proof that this is more folly. I am going to note this
date in my organizer.
Next year on this date- we'll see where this has gone.
Another individual with a poor foundation in science wasting his time and
money- but that's his choice I suppose. I prefer to be more productive.
Maybe I can hook him up with a guy that cornered me yesterday to discuss
crop circles.

Dale W4OP


just get him together with art. maybe if they put the 1400w into a gaussian
antenna they can aim it and get the efficiency up over 100% and set the
whole ocean on fire!

On 31 May, 15:16, "Dave" wrote:
"Dale Parfitt" wrote in message

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I cringe at the idea of the news media filtering out the garbage!
It is for the viewer to determine what is garbage and what is not.
Many a multimillionaire owes his fortune to what others have
considered garbage where others have deemed themselves as
educated enough to detrmine what is garbage and what is treasure.
Look at the good side of this picture instead of piling on ridicule.
Here we have is a human being who is fighting for something new
and beneficial to all with all the energy and education that he
has within him so that he can hold on to life. The life he has
is enjoyable because he believes he is on the brink of success,
where his life is still usefull instead of lying on a hospital bed.
For a human to be brought from sadness into happiness is a
wonderfull thing that typifies the human race and encouragement
is what a human needs instead of derision to enjoy a life that
has been given him. It is not sad to see a life ending in enjoyment
but it is sad to pile on derision on how a human carries on the
fight for life even in the light of a meagre education.
If he was my grandpa I would encourage him until the end and be
very proud of him and not use my education to discourage him.
Actually the news media should use that story for those people
who are interested in what is good in life as well as those
who only have derision for the efforts of others.
Regards
Art

Here will be the proof that this is more folly. I am going to note this
date in my organizer.
Next year on this date- we'll see where this has gone.
Another individual with a poor foundation in science wasting his time and
money- but that's his choice I suppose. I prefer to be more productive.
Maybe I can hook him up with a guy that cornered me yesterday to discuss
crop circles.

Dale W4OP

just get him together with art. maybe if they put the 1400w into a gaussian
antenna they can aim it and get the efficiency up over 100% and set the
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I fail to see what the fuss is about. So a guy is trying to invent
something,
is this a threat to anybody? We had a guy locally who was running his
car
on oil from McDonalds but it didn't worry people that maybe they would
put
french fries in the tank. You see something or read something in the
media
and it is then up to you to determine if you wish secrete the
information
in your mind or not. But if your common sense cannot corroborate the
veracity of the statement then you move on as the world will never do
what you feel it should do. On the other hand ,is this a story that
allows
a sorry state of illiteracy to take comfort that he has found
something
he is safe in ridiculling and to take center stage and sound off?
Since the internet has come along it has allowed arrogance to grow
where formally
to be heard you had to face the person directly and be ready if a
bunch of fives
comes towards your face. Now all can use their free speech in any way
they want
and in complete safety. But to have free speech or the opportunity to
succeed
one must accept the downsides and if you don't like it make a fuss
and
organise to get it stopped and don't worry that the person voted to
enforce the rules turnes out to be a Hitler. Is this inventor guy
really a threat
to our Country? Is it possible that the populace will be duped into
the idea
of putting sea water in the gas tank to get a taste of the good life?
Let it go and get a life. Become open minded so that the little brain
you
have will fall out and take your worries away with it .I assure you
very few
will notice the difference.
Art

art wrote:

Look at Edisons' invention, the light bulb.

It makes a much better heater than a light source (only a few percent of
the energy consumed is given off as usable light!)

Besides, perhaps next they will find out that the rf power can be
reduced a hundrend-fold if the proper catalyst is used. Perhaps
attacking the hydrogen/oxygen bond on multi-levels will finally be found
to be feasible ...

I have never seen in any book ANY speculation that rf could break
hydrogen/oxygen bonds--only that microwaves could boil water! That in
itself seems a major break through that the brain dead have glossed over
in their claim of "it won't work!" Besides all that, it appears to me
that the bond is being broken well below the boiling point of the salt
water--seems like sodium chloride is already working as some sort of
catalyst--let's all hope a magnitudes better catalyst is found!

JS

"John Smith I" wrote in message
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art wrote:

Look at Edisons' invention, the light bulb.

It makes a much better heater than a light source (only a few percent of
the energy consumed is given off as usable light!)

Besides, perhaps next they will find out that the rf power can be
reduced a hundrend-fold if the proper catalyst is used. Perhaps
attacking the hydrogen/oxygen bond on multi-levels will finally be found
to be feasible ...

I have never seen in any book ANY speculation that rf could break
hydrogen/oxygen bonds--only that microwaves could boil water! That in
itself seems a major break through that the brain dead have glossed over
in their claim of "it won't work!" Besides all that, it appears to me
that the bond is being broken well below the boiling point of the salt
water--seems like sodium chloride is already working as some sort of
catalyst--let's all hope a magnitudes better catalyst is found!

JS

John

Commercial microwave ovens have always worked on the principle of heating
water by being tuned to the vibrational frequency of water molecules. It
seems obvious that if sufficiently focused, the microwave energy would cause
spontaneous decomposition of the water molecules into their constituent
oxygen and hydrogen molecules. The addition of sodium chloride, or any salt,
to the water can act as a catalyst by causing energy to become more tightly
focused or by 'tuning' the molecules to become more susceptable to the
microwave frequency(ies) involved. Sugared drinks heat more quickly than
plain water in a microwave oven. While this may reduce the energy input
requirements, there is no possibility of recovering a greater amount of
energy than was input to initiate the reaction. This sounds like another
version of the cold fusion debate, albeit not so cold.

There is no magic here. A kilowatt of energy focused into an area of less
than a tenth of a cubic millimetre will instantaneously disassociate
virtually any substance known to science.

A commercial fusion reactor is currently being built in France. It will cost
billions of dollars to complete, but when it becomes operational there will
be a surplus of energy generated. That is our future and the future of
energy production. A jar full of salty water will never power the average
home or car unless it is surrounding several pounds of Plutonium. :-)

Mike G0ULI

Mike Kaliski wrote:
A jar full of salty water will never power the average
home or car unless it is surrounding several pounds of Plutonium. :-)

Can you prove that "never" assertion? :-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Mike Kaliski wrote:


Commercial microwave ovens have always worked on the principle of heating
water by being tuned to the vibrational frequency of water molecules.


Hmmm. The first resonant peak of the
water molecule is around 1THz, while at
the microwave operating frequency of
2.45GHz there are no resonances of the
water molecule.

The 2.45GHz frequency has no particular
connection to the resonant frequencies
of candidate food molecules.

Chuck

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"Chuck" wrote in message
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Mike Kaliski wrote:


Commercial microwave ovens have always worked on the principle of
heating
water by being tuned to the vibrational frequency of water molecules.


Hmmm. The first resonant peak of the
water molecule is around 1THz, while at
the microwave operating frequency of
2.45GHz there are no resonances of the
water molecule.

The 2.45GHz frequency has no particular
connection to the resonant frequencies
of candidate food molecules.

Chuck

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Chuck

That would be why returns on 3 Cm marine radar are wiped out in heavy rain
then. I can vouch for the fact that heavy rain and spray can result in 100%
obscuration of ship radar targets.

Aircraft also use radar to detect storms. The severity of the weather ahead
is determined by analysis of the probable size of the water droplets in the
cloud, which affects the level of the radar return.

While water molecules may have an inherent resonance at 1 THz, it is
generally accepted by the scientific community that microwave ovens work by
exciting water molecules, amongst others, in food. I can't recall ever
cooking anything in a microwave that wasn't wet or at least damp. Well I
have tested some bits of plastic for suitability for use at RF, but that
wasn't for eating - and the wife was out!!!

I am happy to accept that there is no direct correlation between the
resonant frequency of a water molecule at 1 THz and a microwave oven
magnetron operating in the Ghz range. However, microwave ovens will heat
even distilled water quite effectively and heating is defined as an increase
in vibrational energy of molecules. So however the process actually works,
some principle of resonance must exist to allow the excitation of the water
molecules to occur. Either that, or microwave ovens actually work by heating
the food with infra red radiation derived using waste heat from the
magnetron and we have all been fooled. :-)

Mike G0ULI

Mike Kaliski wrote:


That would be why returns on 3 Cm marine radar are wiped out in heavy rain
then. I can vouch for the fact that heavy rain and spray can result in 100%
obscuration of ship radar targets.

Aircraft also use radar to detect storms. The severity of the weather ahead
is determined by analysis of the probable size of the water droplets in the
cloud, which affects the level of the radar return.

While water molecules may have an inherent resonance at 1 THz, it is
generally accepted by the scientific community that microwave ovens work by
exciting water molecules, amongst others, in food. I can't recall ever
cooking anything in a microwave that wasn't wet or at least damp. Well I
have tested some bits of plastic for suitability for use at RF, but that
wasn't for eating - and the wife was out!!!

I am happy to accept that there is no direct correlation between the
resonant frequency of a water molecule at 1 THz and a microwave oven
magnetron operating in the Ghz range. However, microwave ovens will heat
even distilled water quite effectively and heating is defined as an increase
in vibrational energy of molecules. So however the process actually works,
some principle of resonance must exist to allow the excitation of the water
molecules to occur. Either that, or microwave ovens actually work by heating
the food with infra red radiation derived using waste heat from the
magnetron and we have all been fooled. :-)



Increased molecular motion certainly
accompanies increased temperature, but
depending on the water's salt content,
the skin depth of water at microwave
oven frequencies is 0.5cm to 4.7cm. So I
guess it is an absorption phenomenon,
rather than resonance. Or, infrared
radiation from the maagnetron! ;-)

This information, BTW, comes from Ron
Schmitt's "Electromagnetics Explained".

Chuck

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Mike Kaliski wrote:

"Chuck" wrote in message
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Mike Kaliski wrote:


Commercial microwave ovens have always worked on the principle of
heating
water by being tuned to the vibrational frequency of water molecules.


Hmmm. The first resonant peak of the
water molecule is around 1THz, while at
the microwave operating frequency of
2.45GHz there are no resonances of the
water molecule.

The 2.45GHz frequency has no particular
connection to the resonant frequencies
of candidate food molecules.

Chuck

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Chuck

That would be why returns on 3 Cm marine radar are wiped out in heavy rain
then. I can vouch for the fact that heavy rain and spray can result in 100%
obscuration of ship radar targets.

Aircraft also use radar to detect storms. The severity of the weather ahead
is determined by analysis of the probable size of the water droplets in the
cloud, which affects the level of the radar return.

While water molecules may have an inherent resonance at 1 THz, it is
generally accepted by the scientific community that microwave ovens work by
exciting water molecules, amongst others, in food. I can't recall ever
cooking anything in a microwave that wasn't wet or at least damp. Well I
have tested some bits of plastic for suitability for use at RF, but that
wasn't for eating - and the wife was out!!!

I am happy to accept that there is no direct correlation between the
resonant frequency of a water molecule at 1 THz and a microwave oven
magnetron operating in the Ghz range. However, microwave ovens will heat
even distilled water quite effectively and heating is defined as an increase
in vibrational energy of molecules. So however the process actually works,
some principle of resonance must exist to allow the excitation of the water
molecules to occur. Either that, or microwave ovens actually work by heating
the food with infra red radiation derived using waste heat from the
magnetron and we have all been fooled. :-)

Mike G0ULI

You can look at the stuff in a microwave as a resistive load.

What happens to a resistive load when you feed it RF?

Or even DC, but putting in all the little DC probes so the burrito heats
evenly is a pain in the butt.



--
Jim Pennino

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Mike Kaliski wrote:

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It would be interesting to know what freq was being used in the video ...

If it were microwave, I wouldn't think that guy would be keeping his
vision too much longer. A KW (heck, even a hundred watts or less over
time!) turned into the room would be working on his cataracts, BIG TIME!

JS