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Art wrote:
"When you refer it to a "mucked up Yagi" you must understand that the Yagi is primarily set up to focus available radiation by redistribution, where as with a Gaussian there is no focusing or relaying of energy by coupling." Words fail me. Without redistribution, there is only a point source. More than one source is necessary for the radiant energy to produce gain. It is immaterial whether the energy gets to a second source by conduction or radiation. Interaction between the energies of more than one source is essential for gain. Focus is convergence of energy and is the stuff gain comes from. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI |
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On 1 Jun, 15:25, (Richard Harrison) wrote:
Art wrote: "When you refer it to a "mucked up Yagi" you must understand that the Yagi is primarily set up to focus available radiation by redistribution, where as with a Gaussian there is no focusing or relaying of energy by coupling." Words fail me. Without redistribution, there is only a point source. More than one source is necessary for the radiant energy to produce gain. It is immaterial whether the energy gets to a second source by conduction or radiation. Interaction between the energies of more than one source is essential for gain. Focus is convergence of energy and is the stuff gain comes from. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI Your last line is all I understand of your posting and I would agree with that line. With respect to the rest your words they fail me to.You are getting more like the other Richard every day I will not even try to explain equilibrium to you as you are incapable and are having to many senior moments.Seems like your posting is a collection of line quotes taken from different books on different subjects Art |
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Richard Clark wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:31:23 -0400, "Jimmie D" wrote: "Richard Clark" wrote in message Why does a gaussian array need 10 elements to get less? Has there ever been a definition of a guassian array. From the best I can figure ART just claimed it otbe a bunch of random lengths mounted on a boom but every time I see a model he presents its just a mucked up yagi. Hi Jimmie, The definition of a gaussian array, by "theory" is something that changes to fit the occasion (or it could be said to be a new work of science that is still in progress). The definition of a gaussian array, by performance, is an inferior antenna that is more difficult to erect than the relatively mundane example of the NBS Yagi. I didn't pick the NBS for its spectacular performance (there are better designs), I simply picked the first model available so as to not waste time (yet again). 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC An NBS beats it? Those are considered to be the absolute dreck of the VHF and up antenna world. Anyone could compete with this bunch. Would be a perfect government contract. tom K0TAR |
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On Jun 1, 10:32 am, art wrote:
Jimmie Let us talk common sense. Remember its origins is based on a static field ... Art Art, I don't much care what the _definition_ is, but I am interested in what the _purpose_ is. In terms of "features and benefits," why would I care about this antenna? At least with the "crossed field antenna" and "fractal antennas," I understood _why_ one would be interested in the claimed benefits (though they never seemed to actually be delivered), but so far I haven't seen anything to get me excited and wanting to learn more about this "Gaussian" thing you've been tossing about with respect to antennas. Please understand that there are plenty of cases to which "Gaussian" is applied that I do see the benefit to, both practical and theoretical, but this "Gaussian antenna" thing is just leaving me cold, so far. Cheers, Tom |
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Art wrote:
"With respect to the rest of your words, they fail me too." OK, I`ll try again. Antenna gain results from interference, constructive and destructive. Two or more sources are needed to interfere. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI |
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On Jun 1, 11:30 am, Richard Clark wrote:
This means that the NBS yagi is 110% efficient compared to a gaussian array. This is due to the physics of Newtonian Bales which is superior to gaussian bundles. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Hummm, I think newtonian bales, and gaussian bundles are both inferior to cluster &^%$'s... :/ MK |
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On 1 Jun, 21:53, K7ITM wrote:
On Jun 1, 10:32 am, art wrote: Jimmie Let us talk common sense. Remember its origins is based on a static field ... Art Art, I don't much care what the _definition_ is, but I am interested in what the _purpose_ is. In terms of "features and benefits," why would I care about this antenna? At least with the "crossed field antenna" and "fractal antennas," I understood _why_ one would be interested in the claimed benefits (though they never seemed to actually be delivered), but so far I haven't seen anything to get me excited and wanting to learn more about this "Gaussian" thing you've been tossing about with respect to antennas. Please understand that there are plenty of cases to which "Gaussian" is applied that I do see the benefit to, both practical and theoretical, but this "Gaussian antenna" thing is just leaving me cold, so far. Cheers, Tom The definition was requested and I answed that request The Gaussian thing I am tossing around is something that the experts refuse to acknoweledge in any way. Over more than twenty years this group of experts have attacked all experimentors and have got away with it. I am a experimentoras you know and I have been attacked since day one over my experiments and patents. On the Gaussian thing they refuse to acknoweledge the connection between Gaussian statics law and other laws of the masters. Even a Doctrate holder tried to convince them of the connecting mathematics but they have rejected all. To me it suggest that over the years many of these suedo experts have over estimated their abilities. Why they refuse the Gaussian connection I do not know but I am going to hammer away at it because there are many silent observers who surely understand the physics involved. And each time I bring the subject up I smile as protagonists continue to deny the Gaussian connection. Actually Tom if a person or group finally came to their sences and acknoweledged the Gaussian connection that I flaunt we all we be on a more stable keel. They asked for the mathematical proof after I presented the antenna, that mathematical proof was provided and the Gaussian connection was rejected. To me and others this sort of thing has happened time and time again, I am not running away as other hams have been forced to do. I will stay until they are forced to acknoweledge the ficklties of science where ever it may lead and I will continue to make an example of the assailants inadequacies with respect to experimentation and its findings. I am an east ender from London, if I am wrongly pushed I will push back regardles of the inflicted pain that is applied to me so you better explore other tactics to make your points. Art |
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On 2 Jun, 05:02, (Richard Harrison) wrote:
Art wrote: "With respect to the rest of your words, they fail me too." OK, I`ll try again. Antenna gain results from interference, constructive and destructive. Two or more sources are needed to interfere. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI Give me a hint, what is it that you are directing your comments at? Iknow you don't accept the Gaussian story and I know I cannot convince you otherwise and I have stopped trying. Is there something else that you are trying to get my attention? Art |
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On Jun 2, 7:20 am, art wrote:
On 1 Jun, 21:53, K7ITM wrote: On Jun 1, 10:32 am, art wrote: Jimmie Let us talk common sense. Remember its origins is based on a static field ... Art Art, I don't much care what the _definition_ is, but I am interested in what the _purpose_ is. In terms of "features and benefits," why would I care about this antenna? At least with the "crossed field antenna" and "fractal antennas," I understood _why_ one would be interested in the claimed benefits (though they never seemed to actually be delivered), but so far I haven't seen anything to get me excited and wanting to learn more about this "Gaussian" thing you've been tossing about with respect to antennas. Please understand that there are plenty of cases to which "Gaussian" is applied that I do see the benefit to, both practical and theoretical, but this "Gaussian antenna" thing is just leaving me cold, so far. Cheers, Tom The definition was requested and I answed that request The Gaussian thing I am tossing around is something that the experts refuse to acknoweledge in any way. Over more than twenty years this group of experts have attacked all experimentors and have got away with it. I am a experimentoras you know and I have been attacked since day one over my experiments and patents. On the Gaussian thing they refuse to acknoweledge the connection between Gaussian statics law and other laws of the masters. Even a Doctrate holder tried to convince them of the connecting mathematics but they have rejected all. To me it suggest that over the years many of these suedo experts have over estimated their abilities. Why they refuse the Gaussian connection I do not know but I am going to hammer away at it because there are many silent observers who surely understand the physics involved. And each time I bring the subject up I smile as protagonists continue to deny the Gaussian connection. Actually Tom if a person or group finally came to their sences and acknoweledged the Gaussian connection that I flaunt we all we be on a more stable keel. They asked for the mathematical proof after I presented the antenna, that mathematical proof was provided and the Gaussian connection was rejected. To me and others this sort of thing has happened time and time again, I am not running away as other hams have been forced to do. I will stay until they are forced to acknoweledge the ficklties of science where ever it may lead and I will continue to make an example of the assailants inadequacies with respect to experimentation and its findings. I am an east ender from London, if I am wrongly pushed I will push back regardles of the inflicted pain that is applied to me so you better explore other tactics to make your points. Art Art, I'm puzzled why you would go off on that same old rant and ignore the key question I asked: why should I care about this antenna? What are its features and benefits? What are its advantages over competing antennas that have similar features and benefits? I'm not trying to "make points" but simply to understand why I should care about this antenna. You may have previously posted things about that, but I got lost in all the other words that didn't get me excited about it--words that never told me why I would care about it. Is it particularly compact? Is it easy to build? Will it stay together well? Does it do a better job letting me communicate than antennas I already know about? If it causes you too much pain to tell us why it's an antenna worthy of consideration over other existing antennas, please just ignore my question and I'll go away and let you write whatever you want about it. Cheers, Tom |
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