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June 27th 07, 12:15 AM
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20 gaussian questions for art
On 26 Jun, 16:09, "Dave" wrote:
"art" wrote in message oups.com... On 26 Jun, 15:17, "Dave" wrote: "art" wrote in message groups.com... On 26 Jun, 14:21, "Dave" wrote: "art" wrote in message groups.com... On 25 Jun, 13:10, "Dave" wrote: Ok, lets try it this way... step by step, inch by inch, we may yet figure out what this antenna is. First question: What is the least number of wires needed to build a gaussian antenna? Not necessary Dave. Richard is very familiar with the subject at hand as well as its underpinnings that can be understood by EEs and is providing a reference that will make all things clear. You asked for it and your wish is going to be granted in a clear and precise manner that you and the group have requested. You should now be able to build it yourself with out mumbo jumbo from me to confuse you. No need for me anymore, you now have an expert at your call. Don't forget Poyntings input. Art whats a 'Richard'?? I want to hear it straight from the source. I have asked over and over for you to define the terms and you can't put it into words this poor engineer can understand, so i thought we would try to build an example from the bottom up. but if you can't help with that then maybe the whole thing is just out of my reach and i should go back to good old yagis and phased arrays.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sounds reasonable if it sounds so reasonable, how many wires does it take?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - As many as you want and have fun. The subject is dead. Let it go Join the boiling water saga that is where the action is Art no, this is my subject so i'll say when it's dead... i don't want to know how many i can use, i want to know the minimum number necessary.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - One |
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#12
June 27th 07, 12:36 AM
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20 gaussian questions for art
On 26 Jun, 16:15, art wrote:
On 26 Jun, 16:09, "Dave" wrote: "art" wrote in message roups.com... On 26 Jun, 15:17, "Dave" wrote: "art" wrote in message groups.com... On 26 Jun, 14:21, "Dave" wrote: "art" wrote in message groups.com... On 25 Jun, 13:10, "Dave" wrote: Ok, lets try it this way... step by step, inch by inch, we may yet figure out what this antenna is. First question: What is the least number of wires needed to build a gaussian antenna? Not necessary Dave. Richard is very familiar with the subject at hand as well as its underpinnings that can be understood by EEs and is providing a reference that will make all things clear. You asked for it and your wish is going to be granted in a clear and precise manner that you and the group have requested. You should now be able to build it yourself with out mumbo jumbo from me to confuse you. No need for me anymore, you now have an expert at your call. Don't forget Poyntings input. Art whats a 'Richard'?? I want to hear it straight from the source. I have asked over and over for you to define the terms and you can't put it into words this poor engineer can understand, so i thought we would try to build an example from the bottom up. but if you can't help with that then maybe the whole thing is just out of my reach and i should go back to good old yagis and phased arrays.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sounds reasonable if it sounds so reasonable, how many wires does it take?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - As many as you want and have fun. The subject is dead. Let it go Join the boiling water saga that is where the action is Art no, this is my subject so i'll say when it's dead... i don't want to know how many i can use, i want to know the minimum number necessary.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - One- - - - Gently stirred |
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#13
June 27th 07, 12:36 AM
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20 gaussian questions for art
"art" wrote in message oups.com... On 26 Jun, 16:09, "Dave" wrote: "art" wrote in message oups.com... On 26 Jun, 15:17, "Dave" wrote: "art" wrote in message groups.com... On 26 Jun, 14:21, "Dave" wrote: "art" wrote in message groups.com... On 25 Jun, 13:10, "Dave" wrote: Ok, lets try it this way... step by step, inch by inch, we may yet figure out what this antenna is. First question: What is the least number of wires needed to build a gaussian antenna? Not necessary Dave. Richard is very familiar with the subject at hand as well as its underpinnings that can be understood by EEs and is providing a reference that will make all things clear. You asked for it and your wish is going to be granted in a clear and precise manner that you and the group have requested. You should now be able to build it yourself with out mumbo jumbo from me to confuse you. No need for me anymore, you now have an expert at your call. Don't forget Poyntings input. Art whats a 'Richard'?? I want to hear it straight from the source. I have asked over and over for you to define the terms and you can't put it into words this poor engineer can understand, so i thought we would try to build an example from the bottom up. but if you can't help with that then maybe the whole thing is just out of my reach and i should go back to good old yagis and phased arrays.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sounds reasonable if it sounds so reasonable, how many wires does it take?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - As many as you want and have fun. The subject is dead. Let it go Join the boiling water saga that is where the action is Art no, this is my subject so i'll say when it's dead... i don't want to know how many i can use, i want to know the minimum number necessary.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - One ok, thats a start. assuming i want to operate on 14195khz, how long should the wire be? |
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#14
June 27th 07, 12:40 AM
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20 gaussian questions for art
On 26 Jun, 16:36, "Dave" wrote:
"art" wrote in message oups.com... On 26 Jun, 16:09, "Dave" wrote: "art" wrote in message groups.com... On 26 Jun, 15:17, "Dave" wrote: "art" wrote in message groups.com... On 26 Jun, 14:21, "Dave" wrote: "art" wrote in message groups.com... On 25 Jun, 13:10, "Dave" wrote: Ok, lets try it this way... step by step, inch by inch, we may yet figure out what this antenna is. First question: What is the least number of wires needed to build a gaussian antenna? Not necessary Dave. Richard is very familiar with the subject at hand as well as its underpinnings that can be understood by EEs and is providing a reference that will make all things clear. You asked for it and your wish is going to be granted in a clear and precise manner that you and the group have requested. You should now be able to build it yourself with out mumbo jumbo from me to confuse you. No need for me anymore, you now have an expert at your call. Don't forget Poyntings input. Art whats a 'Richard'?? I want to hear it straight from the source. I have asked over and over for you to define the terms and you can't put it into words this poor engineer can understand, so i thought we would try to build an example from the bottom up. but if you can't help with that then maybe the whole thing is just out of my reach and i should go back to good old yagis and phased arrays.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sounds reasonable if it sounds so reasonable, how many wires does it take?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - As many as you want and have fun. The subject is dead. Let it go Join the boiling water saga that is where the action is Art no, this is my subject so i'll say when it's dead... i don't want to know how many i can use, i want to know the minimum number necessary.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - One ok, thats a start. assuming i want to operate on 14195khz, how long should the wire be?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Whatever wire you have throw it away and get a longer one |
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#15
June 27th 07, 03:43 AM
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20 gaussian questions for art
Art wrote:
"Whatever wire you have throw it away and get a longer one." That response is incompatible with Art`s previous specification of an antenna resonant in its parts and in total. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI |
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#16
June 27th 07, 04:18 PM
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20 gaussian questions for art
Richard Harrison wrote:
Art wrote: "Whatever wire you have throw it away and get a longer one." That response is incompatible with Art`s previous specification of an antenna resonant in its parts and in total. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI I think Art senses a Socratic interrogation developing here, that might be an attempt to discredit his ideas. People with theories don't like to have them questioned. 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH |
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#17
June 27th 07, 10:02 PM
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20 gaussian questions for art
"art" wrote in message ups.com... On 26 Jun, 16:36, "Dave" wrote: "art" wrote in message oups.com... On 26 Jun, 16:09, "Dave" wrote: "art" wrote in message groups.com... On 26 Jun, 15:17, "Dave" wrote: "art" wrote in message groups.com... On 26 Jun, 14:21, "Dave" wrote: "art" wrote in message groups.com... On 25 Jun, 13:10, "Dave" wrote: Ok, lets try it this way... step by step, inch by inch, we may yet figure out what this antenna is. First question: What is the least number of wires needed to build a gaussian antenna? Not necessary Dave. Richard is very familiar with the subject at hand as well as its underpinnings that can be understood by EEs and is providing a reference that will make all things clear. You asked for it and your wish is going to be granted in a clear and precise manner that you and the group have requested. You should now be able to build it yourself with out mumbo jumbo from me to confuse you. No need for me anymore, you now have an expert at your call. Don't forget Poyntings input. Art whats a 'Richard'?? I want to hear it straight from the source. I have asked over and over for you to define the terms and you can't put it into words this poor engineer can understand, so i thought we would try to build an example from the bottom up. but if you can't help with that then maybe the whole thing is just out of my reach and i should go back to good old yagis and phased arrays.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sounds reasonable if it sounds so reasonable, how many wires does it take?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - As many as you want and have fun. The subject is dead. Let it go Join the boiling water saga that is where the action is Art no, this is my subject so i'll say when it's dead... i don't want to know how many i can use, i want to know the minimum number necessary.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - One ok, thats a start. assuming i want to operate on 14195khz, how long should the wire be?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Whatever wire you have throw it away and get a longer one ok, random length... can do. now how do i connect it to a piece of coax? |
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#18
June 27th 07, 10:13 PM
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20 gaussian questions for art
On 27 Jun, 14:02, "Dave" wrote:
"art" wrote in message ups.com... On 26 Jun, 16:36, "Dave" wrote: "art" wrote in message groups.com... On 26 Jun, 16:09, "Dave" wrote: "art" wrote in message groups.com... On 26 Jun, 15:17, "Dave" wrote: "art" wrote in message groups.com... On 26 Jun, 14:21, "Dave" wrote: "art" wrote in message groups.com... On 25 Jun, 13:10, "Dave" wrote: Ok, lets try it this way... step by step, inch by inch, we may yet figure out what this antenna is. First question: What is the least number of wires needed to build a gaussian antenna? Not necessary Dave. Richard is very familiar with the subject at hand as well as its underpinnings that can be understood by EEs and is providing a reference that will make all things clear. You asked for it and your wish is going to be granted in a clear and precise manner that you and the group have requested. You should now be able to build it yourself with out mumbo jumbo from me to confuse you. No need for me anymore, you now have an expert at your call. Don't forget Poyntings input. Art whats a 'Richard'?? I want to hear it straight from the source. I have asked over and over for you to define the terms and you can't put it into words this poor engineer can understand, so i thought we would try to build an example from the bottom up. but if you can't help with that then maybe the whole thing is just out of my reach and i should go back to good old yagis and phased arrays.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sounds reasonable if it sounds so reasonable, how many wires does it take?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - As many as you want and have fun. The subject is dead. Let it go Join the boiling water saga that is where the action is Art no, this is my subject so i'll say when it's dead... i don't want to know how many i can use, i want to know the minimum number necessary.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - One ok, thats a start. assuming i want to operate on 14195khz, how long should the wire be?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Whatever wire you have throw it away and get a longer one ok, random length... can do. now how do i connect it to a piece of coax?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - O.K. For the last time I will go along until such time it is obvious you have other intentions.So I start again. Make a dipole of random shapes and heights that is resonant at your design frequency. Note the radiator can be any length as long as it is resonant. For the sake of this discussion or interrogation let us use a plain half wave dipole. The feed coax feeds the dipole at it's center in the normal way. Art KB9MZ......XG |
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#19
June 27th 07, 10:24 PM
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20 gaussian questions for art
"art" wrote in message ups.com... On 27 Jun, 14:02, "Dave" wrote: "art" wrote in message ups.com... On 26 Jun, 16:36, "Dave" wrote: "art" wrote in message groups.com... On 26 Jun, 16:09, "Dave" wrote: "art" wrote in message groups.com... On 26 Jun, 15:17, "Dave" wrote: "art" wrote in message groups.com... On 26 Jun, 14:21, "Dave" wrote: "art" wrote in message groups.com... On 25 Jun, 13:10, "Dave" wrote: Ok, lets try it this way... step by step, inch by inch, we may yet figure out what this antenna is. First question: What is the least number of wires needed to build a gaussian antenna? Not necessary Dave. Richard is very familiar with the subject at hand as well as its underpinnings that can be understood by EEs and is providing a reference that will make all things clear. You asked for it and your wish is going to be granted in a clear and precise manner that you and the group have requested. You should now be able to build it yourself with out mumbo jumbo from me to confuse you. No need for me anymore, you now have an expert at your call. Don't forget Poyntings input. Art whats a 'Richard'?? I want to hear it straight from the source. I have asked over and over for you to define the terms and you can't put it into words this poor engineer can understand, so i thought we would try to build an example from the bottom up. but if you can't help with that then maybe the whole thing is just out of my reach and i should go back to good old yagis and phased arrays.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Sounds reasonable if it sounds so reasonable, how many wires does it take?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - As many as you want and have fun. The subject is dead. Let it go Join the boiling water saga that is where the action is Art no, this is my subject so i'll say when it's dead... i don't want to know how many i can use, i want to know the minimum number necessary.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - One ok, thats a start. assuming i want to operate on 14195khz, how long should the wire be?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Whatever wire you have throw it away and get a longer one ok, random length... can do. now how do i connect it to a piece of coax?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - O.K. For the last time I will go along until such time it is obvious you have other intentions.So I start again. Make a dipole of random shapes and heights that is resonant at your design frequency. Note the radiator can be any length as long as it is resonant. For the sake of this discussion or interrogation let us use a plain half wave dipole. The feed coax feeds the dipole at it's center in the normal way. Art KB9MZ......XG ok, so its a plain half wave dipole, fed with normal coax in the normal way. so what makes it 'gaussian'? |
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#20
June 27th 07, 10:44 PM
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20 gaussian questions for art
On Jun 27, 8:18 am, "Tom Donaly" wrote:
Richard Harrison wrote: Art wrote: "Whatever wire you have throw it away and get a longer one." That response is incompatible with Art`s previous specification of an antenna resonant in its parts and in total. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI I think Art senses a Socratic interrogation developing here, that might be an attempt to discredit his ideas. People with theories don't like to have them questioned. 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH No, Tom, SOME people with theories don't like to have them questioned. I welcome questions. I welcome examples and counter- examples. I would hope anyone wanting a deeper understanding of the universe in which they live would want the same. I like Richard Feynman's image of a huge game board, like a chess board, but we can only see a small part of it, and only watch it over a short period of time. From what little we see, we try to figure out the rules of the game, but we can never be certain we've figured them all out. Accurate, honest reporting of observations is welcome, for it is through them that we can share in the learning. I do tend to distrust those who report observations and are unwilling to openly discuss them. Cheers, Tom |
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