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On Aug 16, 8:02 pm, Owen Duffy wrote:


Yes Roy, it is incredibly naive! Just another of the hundreds of false
reasons why 'BPL won't affect me'.

That statement doesn't make sense. What would me transmitting on
my legal licensed frequencies have to do with BPL effecting me or
not?
If BPL is in this area, it's going to effect me whether I transmit or
not,
if it trashes my receiver.
It's not naive. I just don't care what they think. I think it's a
lousy
system, they approved it, and now they are going to have to live
with the problems that are sure to come up. I'm not going to be
changing my operation any time soon.



I don't know of the situation in the US, but in Australia, a licence to
transmit on a given frequency does not override another law that in a
very general way prohibits interfering with a telecommunications carriage
service.

That would be all well and good if they used a single frequencies one
could
avoid... The way I understand it, I stand a good chance of trashing
them
no matter what frequency I'm on.
If they are worried about interference to a carriage system, they
should
not place it in the same spectrum with another existing service when
using power lines, or any other type of leaky or non shielded wiring.
What about their interference to HF radio users? Not all are hams.
Some are commercial users, such as Houston Universal Radio, which
supplies radio services for commercial aircraft. I guess they will
have to shut
down also.. I'm sorry.. I don't buy it.. It's a lousy system and it's
not my fault that it is lousy. Why should amateurs pay for this
mistake
in planning?




The fact remains that we hams do not well understand our operating
environment, and sadly, seem to have little interest in it.

How do you come to this conclusion?
Here in the U.S., according to most all I read, it's up to the
unlicensed
emitter to make sure they do not cause interference to licensed
stations.

http://www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/fcc...s_08132003.htm
http://www.ieee.org/organizations/pe...p/pesview.html
http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/pl.../BPL_paper.pdf
https://www.arrl.org/forms/fdefense/
Yes, that's right. The ARRL is suing the FCC over this.
I agree with that decision 100%.

I intend to hold them to that. Being an unlicensed emitter, I think
they
should have to accept any interference that comes their way.
And not all will be hams.. What if they decide to run BPL near
Houston Hobby airport where Universal Radio is located.
Do you think they will choose BPL over commercial aircraft
comms?
I doubt it.. I don't think amateur stations should be considered
any differently, being we are licensed stations.

Myself, I think the FCC should be horsewhipped for their
performance in deciding the BPL issues.
They choose to ignore valid test data, and go with who has
the money to spend.
This is why I really could care less what they have to say to
me about any operating I might do. I'll sit right on my front porch
and tell them to bite me if they show up to complain.
They promoted the flawed technology. I had nothing to do with
it. And I have a legal right to operate on any of my assigned
frequencies without undo or unwarranted restrictions.
Imposing "quiet hours" will not help. Lowering my power
will probably not help too much if I'm using gain antennas
pointed at the offending lines, and there is no way to
avoid that if I want to work anywhere to the east.


Oh well, there will probably be more development of simulators for the HF
experience in the future!

And there are probably people that would enjoy such a thing.. : (
MK

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On Aug 16, 2:41 pm, John Smith I wrote:
wrote:

Yeah, the image you attempted to paint in my mind of a toothless old
"HF-RF-Terrorist" with a measly KW+ amp doing any sort of meaningful
disruption of internet communications is, to say the least, highly comic
... however, you might succeed in enraging your close neighbors into
killing you.

Regards,
JS

I've been running that station for years with no problems to the
neighbors. Any other ignorant comments?
BTW, you'll be thinking toothless if I ever run across you in
person. It will take great restraint for me not to beat you half
to death. I can't stand a smartass, and you are a primetime
smartass. Smartasses don't last very long around me, and
I still have all my teeth to prove it.
MK

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On Aug 16, 11:16 pm, John Smith I wrote:


At 6'2", 220 lbs and buffed to the max, I'd snap ya like a matchstick,
IDIOT!

JS

Yea, thats what they all say...
MK

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On Aug 16, 11:29 pm, John Smith I wrote:
wrote:
On Aug 16, 11:16 pm, John Smith I wrote:

At 6'2", 220 lbs and buffed to the max, I'd snap ya like a matchstick,
IDIOT!

JS

Yea, thats what they all say...
MK

You are lucky you can say it all all, ya toothless old hag ... obviously
you have had the chit knocked out of you many time with that
mouth--course you could just be a coward and pick on the little guys.
IDIOT!

JS

Right, I'm the coward posting using my real name, while you
hide behind a fake one and run your mouth. I've got news for
you. *You* are the one with the mouth. I never get mouthy
with anyone until I get the same from them first. And you
run yours in *every* thread I see you in.
I'm not wasting any more time with you. I have better things
to do. I will totally ignore you from now on, so you won't
have to worry about my mouth, and I won't have to listen
to yours. Any fool can go back through the thread and see
where the smart mouth first gets kicked in. I think they will
find "John Smith I" next to them.
It's always the same time after time. You end up disagreeing
with whatever I say, so you start up with the snide smartass
remarks.
You don't see me getting smart and snotty with people I
disagree with. I can disagree without being a total ass.
Of course, you can live in a state of denial, and think you
are not a smartass, but thats a personal problem you will
have to deal with on your own.
Later..
MK

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BPL strikes another win ...
 

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Roy Lewallen wrote in
:

....
want), or the FCC will solve the problem with a regulatory change in
favor of the ones with the money, or a little baksheesh will change

A solution in the stroke of a pen.

It is the golden rule, he who has the gold makes the rules.

Owen

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Roy Lewallen wrote:
wrote:

How would I get fined for pointing my antenna to Europe? It legal for
me to point my antenna to Europe, run an amp, and talk all day if
I want to. . .
. . .
So while you are moaning and groaning about the problem, I will
be taking care of it myself in an orderly military manner.
Any problems they have will be due to their own shoddy system
design and line leakage which is a two way street I remind..
Not my gear. So they won't have a leg to stand on if they or even
you complain to the FCC.

Do you really seriously believe that if your amateur operation was
causing a huge company to lose money that the FCC or any other
government entity would take your side?

Boy, have I got news for you!


Gee, I guess we should just shut down and dismantle our stations, turn
in our licenses, and find another hobby - hopefully one that involves
big corporations that make a lot of money!

I'm a little surprised at the pessimism of some people who I would
think would know better.

Is it a problem - you bet
Is it intractable? - no.

- 73 de Mike KB3EIA -