John Smith wrote:
John Smith wrote:
Ok. You might ask me, "Why do you laugh at people discussing antennas
emitting photons?
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Regards,
JS

Ok. So you pose your arguments why photons are at play ... I listen, we
move to the second level ...
...
Regards,
JS

This:

"Einstein also said that behind every great theory there is a simple
physical picture that even lay people can understand. In fact, he said,
if a theory does not have a simple underlying picture, then the theory
is probably worthless. The important thing is the physical picture; math
is nothing but bookkeeping."

And this:

Amrit Sorli: Einstein stood on the point that the notion of "space"
designates "gravitational ether", which is a physical reality. "With
regards to the general theory of relativity, space cannot be imagined
without ether", says he in his "Ether and the Theory of Relativity".
According to Einstein, gravitational ether does not have the same
properties as ponderable matter, that is why it cannot be described by
notions such as "time" and "motion" .
....
Time is not a physical reality, the past and the future exist only in
human reasoning. Changes take place "here and now" in the gravitational
ether.

From he

http://www.mu6.com/einstein.html

I am sure most will find it highly interesting and enlightening ...

Regards,
JS

Cecil Moore wrote:

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Using EZNEC with two identical driven elements, one
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Cecil:

The "approximations" which EZNEC accomplishes, may, or may not be
real--indeed, much of what these "antenna tools" have told me appears to
work in reality ... I CANNOT and do NOT say these tools are without value.

However, when you have an "un-ponder-able unknown", such as the ether,
and you see NO mention of it in mathematical equations, no allowances
made for it, no affects/effects noted for it--indeed, when you see a
public ignorant of it--don't you grow a bit suspicious? I mean, and
according to Einstein, every bit of matter we can possibly view was torn
asunder from it! It is real, we only exist in an altered and unnatural
state--along with our antennas.

Why has ether become synonymous with "kook?" It should not be; why does
it seem to have been missing from everyones physics books but mine? My
books just stated it was as it appears to be--unknown, but a real
thing--I took it to be a thing future minds would "discover"; that its'
promise was a better understanding of the world, in the future.

Now, we can come up with a lot of explanations about a lot of
things--might it not help to give this KNOWN/REAL thing some thought;
ask some questions on its' possible interactions with our antennas?

If my wonder-ings about this ether cause me to be a marked man and
easily dismissed--so be it. And, I would prefer to read and experiment
in this direction than jump to the conclusion our antennas are emitting
photons, others may feel free to disagree with me and suffer no evil
intentions from me.

Whatever is the reality of this matter, let's pray it quickly becomes
known; either way I will be just as thrilled. New discoveries, which we
can get our minds wrapped around, speak of new and interesting
phenomenon we can manipulate to our benefit.

And, debate is interesting ...

Regards,
JS

Jimmie D wrote:

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It is generally excepted that ether is space-time.
There are a couple concepts you must understand.
Space is not nothing.
When the universe was created it was not just the result of material being
propagated through space, it was the creation of space itself.

This was not a new concept for Einstien, it was an idea he had difficulty
and uncertainty about expressing.
Even Einstien had to deal with peer pressure.


Jimmie

I must disagree totally, and for reasons you will find echoed on that
URL I gave.

Our material bodies are as if they are constructed of screen--ether sees
no resistance whatsoever in passing through our beings, indeed, all
matter exists as such to it ... I simply speculate that the EM
waves/radiations from an antenna have the power to interact with it
(and, possibly even Cecils' photons.)

Matter is mostly space, between each atom in your body is something like
a relative football field of distance--here ether exists.

Indeed, with the vast distances between the atoms/electrons in a current
carrying conductor--there is much which could happen to the likes of ether.

Regards,
JS

On Mon, 3 Sep 2007 02:02:41 -0400, "Jimmie D"
wrote:

Even Einstien had to deal with peer pressure.

Which means Einstein didn't troll his ideas. [and provided
equilibrium in his equations - as does all of engineering, math, and
science as a commonplace.]

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

John Smith wrote:

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That was poorly expressed, ether always existed. You must grow to
accept that ether is god--is, was and always will be.

The big bang created matter, matter needed a medium to be "created in",
and ether was there for it--I suspect we ARE ether, just an altered form.

Regards,
JS

Jimmie D wrote:
If the concept of duality is difficult to grasp when it comes to photons
just imagine how hard it will be to grasp that duality exist for all
particles and therefore all matter.

What is particularly interesting (to me) is the
wave-particle duality of a C60 Buckyball where
60 matrixed carbon atoms exhibit wave properties.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil Moore wrote:
Jimmie D wrote:
If the concept of duality is difficult to grasp when it comes to
photons just imagine how hard it will be to grasp that duality exist
for all particles and therefore all matter.

What is particularly interesting (to me) is the
wave-particle duality of a C60 Buckyball where
60 matrixed carbon atoms exhibit wave properties.

Sixty?

That's a LOT of balls! :-)

Regards,
JS

John Smith wrote:
Time is not a physical reality, the past and the future exist only in
human reasoning.

Lots of things didn't exist before homo sapiens. :-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Jimmie D wrote:

...
Then you believe space is nothing?
Then you believe that the creation of the universe is jis the propagation of
matter through space?


It is obvious Einstein was right, if you cannot state a simple model
which people can grasp, which obeys the rules of logic--all you are
running is a complex shell game.

Matter exists in the soup of ether ...

What I said in no way disagrees with the article and besides that I know of
no published work of Einstiens that states what the article said. Perhaps
this was something he pondered at one time. I am sure he changed his
thinking on a lot of things over the years given the fact he and other
physicist were breaking new ground at the time. The discovery that light
always travels at the same speed relative to the observer opened up a real
can of worms.


At some speed, the resistance of travel though the ether becomes of such
a significant drag or force, matter no longer can traverse without
resistance--this is the speed of light.

You appear to have real problem dealing with the fact that there is no
difference between matter and energy, everythinhg exist in a dual state.

I have no problem with matter and energy being composed only of an
altered state of the ether. But you are absolutely correct, I have as
much problem with matter and energy being the same, as the smoke, light,
ash and heat left from a tree burning, as it being the SAME as the tree
itself! DUH! But in a very pure sense--they are ... it can be argued
that the only real difference matters to life on earth.

Jimmie

Regards,
JS

Cecil Moore wrote:
John Smith wrote:
Time is not a physical reality, the past and the future exist only in
human reasoning.

Lots of things didn't exist before homo sapiens. :-)


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What if all things were true - and false? Personally, I'd just open the
box and ask the cat. Assuming that it was still alive, that is. G

And who was this Schroedinger guy anyway?


Ed, NM2K