On 14 Oct, 10:54, art wrote:
On 14 Oct, 08:07, "Dave" wrote:





"art" wrote in message

roups.com...

Equi is for equal, libra is the sign of Zodiac which is a pair of
scales

It means that a repetitive action must come back to its source.
AC power has a cycle as in frequency, thus its circuit is one
wavelength.

A quad antenna represents a one wave circuit where total length is
proportionat
to time .ie a picture of events during one cycle.
Now place along side of the quad a radiator of your choice where
the length of the short radiator is superimposed upon the quad.
For ease in foillowing the electrical circuit make your shorty
antenna
equal to one side of the quad

So the race begins. Both travel up for a time at the SAME velocity.
At the corner of the quad power travels onward until it gets to its
originating point to complete a cycle
The short antenna appears to have nowhere to go so what does it do?
To duplicate the quad action it must have a circuit of some sort where
the power can still travel forward during the time the power in the
quad
is still travelling to the originating point.

Complete the circuit of the short antenna showing the series of events
that occur upto the point that the events on the quad come to its
point of beginning.

Note The impedance of space is 377 ohms, the impedance of ground can
be your choice.
Art

but a wave comes back to it starting point after 1/2 cycle then reverses.
so why does your original assertion of a 1/2 wave 'gaussian' antenna still
hold? now, for a 1/4 wave monopole, where does the other 3/4's of a wave
come from?? and what happens to the power that is radiated? how does that
ever return to it's source to be in equilibrium? would a circuit that was
in equilibrium not be capable of radiating response

David
you have a broken brain, you have to
consult all parts of your brain as with
a committee. Thus your questions
are those that come from a committee
which never solves anything
By the way the radiator is just a small part of our solar system.
The radiation particles can only come to rest on a diamagnet material
so accuse your listener of stealing your radiation energy at least
those particles that do arrive while others decay
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Now with respect to the current loop formed on the short antenna.
This loop defies the existing conception that a short radiator
is a series circuit but instead it is a parallel circuit ala tank
circuit mode
Where the energy sinks explode such that they put electrons in a orbit
mode as they travel because of their tenacity with respect to their
initial
resistance to motion(inertia)as they lay dormant on the outside of a
diagmatic material.
Diagmatic material is a material that will allow an electron to rest
on it's surface
without being combined into the basic material that consists of an
atom and a lot
of other stuff that is in orbit and in equilibrium of itself.
Note that the electron that is now in orbit and is not polar, thus it
is not
affected by gravity on its travels on it's way to find a suitable
resting spot
(diagmatic surface)which can also be outside the earths sphere of
presence and
come to rest on another planets surface in the same way that moon
dust occurs.
NASA has had some success of blowing the moon dust off of material by
mimicing
a tank circuit using just one energy sink release where they were
able to remove
half of the moon dust or overcome it's inertia. Apparently they do
not want
this dust transported to the space vehicle. Note that while in
rotation the electron
posseses both weight and energy where the latter does decay over time
though its
weight stays dormant.Note that a diagmatic material has lots of
"spare" electrons
that imediately take the place of removed electrons and where it
prevents the
resetlement of electrons that do not escape the arbitary field around
the host
material forcing the returning electrons to reside under existing
surface
electrons to form a "skin depth" where they eventually decay.
Enuff said.
Gauss was on the right track when he decided to work at the
observatory.
Pity he didn't delay things and apply a time varying field to
accompany
his law on statics. But no worries a hundred years later along came
Art.
Art Unwin KB9MZ....XG (uk)

Art wrote:
....for the same power expended in the same amount of
time a full wave radiator radiates twice the power that a
quarter wave does.
_________

So then where does the missing power applied to the 1/4-wave radiator go, if
only half of its input power is converted to EM radiation?

RF

"Richard Fry" wrote in message
...
Art wrote:
....for the same power expended in the same amount of
time a full wave radiator radiates twice the power that a
quarter wave does.
_________

So then where does the missing power applied to the 1/4-wave radiator go,
if only half of its input power is converted to EM radiation?

RF

i am convinced that art is playing dumb on purpose.... no one with any
knowledge of antennas and em fields could possible get this screwed up on
basic concepts. when he was just talking 'gaussian' and 'equilibrium' stuff
it could easily be laughed off as someone with a little bit of knowledge
trying to force the rest of the world into that single concept. but now
with decaying electrons and current down the center of the conductor and a
missing half cycle its just too far gone. i had been kind of tagging along
tweaking him into trying to explain the details of his concept, but now it
is apparent that he has none. he is just making it up and stringing us
along. you gone too far this time art, ciao and enjoy your game alone.

On 14 Oct, 15:11, "Dave" wrote:
"Richard Fry" wrote in message

...

Art wrote:
....for the same power expended in the same amount of
time a full wave radiator radiates twice the power that a
quarter wave does.
_________

So then where does the missing power applied to the 1/4-wave radiator go,
if only half of its input power is converted to EM radiation?

RF

i am convinced that art is playing dumb on purpose.... no one with any
knowledge of antennas and em fields could possible get this screwed up on
basic concepts. when he was just talking 'gaussian' and 'equilibrium' stuff
it could easily be laughed off as someone with a little bit of knowledge
trying to force the rest of the world into that single concept. but now
with decaying electrons and current down the center of the conductor and a
missing half cycle its just too far gone. i had been kind of tagging along
tweaking him into trying to explain the details of his concept, but now it
is apparent that he has none. he is just making it up and stringing us
along. you gone too far this time art, ciao and enjoy your game alone.

Awe common Dave don't go away this is fun! Now what is wrong with
current
going down the center because the impedance is less than 377 ohms?
Remember if you go up in altitude the 377 impedance will go down and
become
less that the wires internal impedance the energy will transfer to
space with
that smell of ozone. That is what happened in Quito Equador
That is what led to the design of the quad where a
lesser impedance path was provided for current flow!
Now the inner impedance of the wire must be pretty high to
create an end effect so with Isq R there has to be a lot of
heat generated. Remember Vincent saying his first antenna melted?
Now we come to rotation of a projectile.
Did you know that a projectile tumbles and comes under the influence
of the Corrioli effect as it losses energy.A shell
starts to tumble when it exceeds it's range Next time a rocket goes
into space watch for rotation. What do you think causes that?
A train speeds along on a railroad until at a certain speed
it will roll over, why do you think that happens?
Look up "hammer blow" for that one. How can
I possibly be stringing you along?
You can put everything to bed by spending
a 1/2 hour making a full wave antenna but ofcourse that
means an effort to get off the couch !
Yup
It is better to stay rested and let your mouth do
all the work at least until you start to dribble.
Art Unwin KB9MZ....XG

On Sun, 14 Oct 2007 13:01:30 -0700, art wrote:

On 14 Oct, 10:54, art wrote:
On 14 Oct, 08:07, "Dave" wrote:





"art" wrote in message

roups.com...

Equi is for equal, libra is the sign of Zodiac which is a pair of
scales

It means that a repetitive action must come back to its source.
AC power has a cycle as in frequency, thus its circuit is one
wavelength.

A quad antenna represents a one wave circuit where total length is
proportionat
to time .ie a picture of events during one cycle.
Now place along side of the quad a radiator of your choice where
the length of the short radiator is superimposed upon the quad.
For ease in foillowing the electrical circuit make your shorty
antenna
equal to one side of the quad

So the race begins. Both travel up for a time at the SAME velocity.
At the corner of the quad power travels onward until it gets to its
originating point to complete a cycle
The short antenna appears to have nowhere to go so what does it do?
To duplicate the quad action it must have a circuit of some sort where
the power can still travel forward during the time the power in the
quad
is still travelling to the originating point.

Complete the circuit of the short antenna showing the series of events
that occur upto the point that the events on the quad come to its
point of beginning.

Note The impedance of space is 377 ohms, the impedance of ground can
be your choice.
Art

but a wave comes back to it starting point after 1/2 cycle then reverses.
so why does your original assertion of a 1/2 wave 'gaussian' antenna still
hold? now, for a 1/4 wave monopole, where does the other 3/4's of a wave
come from?? and what happens to the power that is radiated? how does that
ever return to it's source to be in equilibrium? would a circuit that was
in equilibrium not be capable of radiating response

David
you have a broken brain, you have to
consult all parts of your brain as with
a committee. Thus your questions
are those that come from a committee
which never solves anything
By the way the radiator is just a small part of our solar system.
The radiation particles can only come to rest on a diamagnet material
so accuse your listener of stealing your radiation energy at least
those particles that do arrive while others decay
Art- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Now with respect to the current loop formed on the short antenna.
This loop defies the existing conception that a short radiator
is a series circuit but instead it is a parallel circuit ala tank
circuit mode
Where the energy sinks explode such that they put electrons in a orbit
mode as they travel because of their tenacity with respect to their
initial
resistance to motion(inertia)as they lay dormant on the outside of a
diagmatic material.
Diagmatic material is a material that will allow an electron to rest
on it's surface
without being combined into the basic material that consists of an
atom and a lot
of other stuff that is in orbit and in equilibrium of itself.
Note that the electron that is now in orbit and is not polar, thus it
is not
affected by gravity on its travels on it's way to find a suitable
resting spot
(diagmatic surface)which can also be outside the earths sphere of
presence and
come to rest on another planets surface in the same way that moon
dust occurs.
NASA has had some success of blowing the moon dust off of material by
mimicing
a tank circuit using just one energy sink release where they were
able to remove
half of the moon dust or overcome it's inertia. Apparently they do
not want
this dust transported to the space vehicle. Note that while in
rotation the electron
posseses both weight and energy where the latter does decay over time
though its
weight stays dormant.Note that a diagmatic material has lots of
"spare" electrons
that imediately take the place of removed electrons and where it
prevents the
resetlement of electrons that do not escape the arbitary field around
the host
material forcing the returning electrons to reside under existing
surface
electrons to form a "skin depth" where they eventually decay.
Enuff said.
Gauss was on the right track when he decided to work at the
observatory.
Pity he didn't delay things and apply a time varying field to
accompany
his law on statics. But no worries a hundred years later along came
Art.
Art Unwin KB9MZ....XG (uk)

Hi Art,

It's a dawgone shame that the electronic wizards on this thread don't have a clue that you're pulling their
legs with your humorous anecdotes concerning the clever antics you have the electrons engaging in. I don't
know the acronym to tell of my response in shorthand, but I'm rolling on the floor in hysterical laughter at
your brilliant forays into your comedic repertoire.

Art, I assume yer retired, and may have somewhat of a nest egg to support the lifestyle yer accustomed to, but
let me tell ya, yer missing a golden opportunity to multiply that nest egg exponentially. How could you do
that? Well, ya know there's Leno, and there's that Dave what's-his-name, Oyeah, Letterman, and they both need
writers for their one liners, who are becoming stale lately. They could use your comedic talents if they plan
to stay in their present jobs. And then there's also Jimmie Kimmell, who's really going places. Just think of
how much faster he'd get there if you were writing for him!!!

Art, with all yer talent yer wasting yer time tryin' to fool the wizards on this thread, cuz they just don't
get it. They're all wound up so tight trying to explain to you how electrons radiate that they don't know that
all yer writing is fer comedic entertainment that's apparently going right over their heads.

I'm enjoying every minute of your entertainment presentations, and I'd miss them dearly if you left the
thread. But your talents would be much more appreciated if your writings were to be presented to the national
TV audiences, on whichever channel you choose to present yer work.

Sincerely yers,

Walt, W2DU

"Dave" wrote about Art's posts:
i am convinced that art is playing dumb on purpose.... no one with
any knowledge of antennas and em fields could possible get this
screwed up on basic concepts.

and Walt W2DU wrote:

I'm enjoying every minute of your entertainment presentations, and
I'd miss them dearly if you left the thread
___________

Art could really know better, and might be posting what he does as
some form of personal amusement.

The only problem with that is some readers of his posts may think
his posts are accurate, unless others who know they are not make
the effort to post the correct information.

RF

"Walter Maxwell" wrote in message I'm enjoying every
minute of your entertainment presentations, and I'd miss them dearly if you
left the
thread. But your talents would be much more appreciated if your writings
were to be presented to the national
TV audiences, on whichever channel you choose to present yer work.

Sincerely yers,

Walt, W2DU

"Small" problem, Artsist is patenting his "jokes". I dare to predict that if
he was to write real humor, he would screw it just like his antenna
"creations".

IMHO, Yuri