Ed Cregger wrote:

...
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No offense intended, but the first really scary thing that I learned as an
adult was that there is no "they". It is all random. See, I told you that
was scary.
...

Well, I differ, the "they" are those in power with the chance to make
things better, or make a buck--however, we seem to live in a world where
this two things are mutually exclusive! If it were I or you, or we
together, who were the ones in "power", we would face great temptations
to do the same--sell out our fellow citizens to fatten our wallets. The
safeguards, which were once in place, are now gone--money purchasing
your congressmen and senators fixed that ...


Anyway, we have another chance, in fact, multitude chances, to save our
civilization. But it will probably spring from technologies and ways of
thinking which we cannot even imagine presently.

Try to enjoy the good things and times while they are here, for they too are
transitory. And just in case you forgot, so are we.

Ed Cregger



We are indeed in a time of GREAT transition. The gold in the gold
fields is gone. The BIG trees in the forests have all been harvested.
In the Sierra Nevada's, "they" have left belts of trees along the
highways for aesthetics, but venture a little ways off these highways
and you find great areas of clear cut land. In the old days, one single
log could fill a logging truck; today, these trucks appear to be
carrying loads of pencils! Every acre of ground is now in the hands of
private citizens, companies/corps or the gov't. All the farm ground is
now in production which is economically feasible to grow crops on; we
tax the reserves of cheaply available fertilizer we have left to raise
these crops. Every gallon of water in the lakes, rivers and streams is
owned by some entity.

Without anymore natural resources to exploit--we now face a much
different world. While capitalism was wonderful when resources were
abundantly plentiful to be raped, it will now be interesting to see how
it functions.

I see a world with vast numbers of impoverished "have-nothings" and a
few members of a ruling class with their knaves and female servents ...
but come hell-or-high-water, we shall see this "new world order." The
gears which bring it turn now; and, I see none powerful enough to halt them.

But then, I digress from antennas ...

Regards,
JS

John Smith wrote:

...
But then, I digress from antennas ...

Regards,
JS

I failed to mention oil/energy, but then, you already know about those ...

Regards,
JS

John Smith wrote:
While capitalism was wonderful when resources were
abundantly plentiful to be raped, it will now be interesting to see how
it functions.

---Eight stages of democracy---
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence; (2008?)
From dependence back into bondage.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Cecil Moore wrote:
John Smith wrote:
While capitalism was wonderful when resources were abundantly
plentiful to be raped, it will now be interesting to see how it
functions.

---Eight stages of democracy---
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence; (2008?)
From dependence back into bondage.

Or, simply, those who do not know their history are doomed to repeat
their history ...

Regards,
JS

Cecil Moore wrote:
John Smith wrote:
While capitalism was wonderful when resources were abundantly
plentiful to be raped, it will now be interesting to see how it
functions.

---Eight stages of democracy---
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence; (2008?)
From dependence back into bondage.

I should also have stated, remember that the "Boston Tea Party" was over
a penny a pound tax on tea ... Now, count all the hidden taxes we pay
.... the forefathers MUST be turning in their graves ...

Regards,
JS

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Ed Cregger wrote:

...
-----------

No offense intended, but the first really scary thing that I learned as
an adult was that there is no "they". It is all random. See, I told you
that was scary.
...

Well, I differ, the "they" are those in power with the chance to make
things better, or make a buck--however, we seem to live in a world where
this two things are mutually exclusive! If it were I or you, or we
together, who were the ones in "power", we would face great temptations to
do the same--sell out our fellow citizens to fatten our wallets. The
safeguards, which were once in place, are now gone--money purchasing your
congressmen and senators fixed that ...


Anyway, we have another chance, in fact, multitude chances, to save our
civilization. But it will probably spring from technologies and ways of
thinking which we cannot even imagine presently.

Try to enjoy the good things and times while they are here, for they too
are transitory. And just in case you forgot, so are we.

Ed Cregger

We are indeed in a time of GREAT transition. The gold in the gold fields
is gone. The BIG trees in the forests have all been harvested. In the
Sierra Nevada's, "they" have left belts of trees along the highways for
aesthetics, but venture a little ways off these highways and you find
great areas of clear cut land. In the old days, one single log could fill
a logging truck; today, these trucks appear to be carrying loads of
pencils! Every acre of ground is now in the hands of private citizens,
companies/corps or the gov't. All the farm ground is now in production
which is economically feasible to grow crops on; we tax the reserves of
cheaply available fertilizer we have left to raise these crops. Every
gallon of water in the lakes, rivers and streams is owned by some entity.

Without anymore natural resources to exploit--we now face a much different
world. While capitalism was wonderful when resources were abundantly
plentiful to be raped, it will now be interesting to see how it functions.

I see a world with vast numbers of impoverished "have-nothings" and a few
members of a ruling class with their knaves and female servents ... but
come hell-or-high-water, we shall see this "new world order." The gears
which bring it turn now; and, I see none powerful enough to halt them.

But then, I digress from antennas ...

Regards,
JS

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The more people that want a piece of the pie, the smaller the pieces will
be. Our main, number #1 problem is over population for the resources we have
remaining and the lifestyle we wish to live. But you know that.

Nature culls its creatures occasionally. Will it be by disease/plague? By
wars? By things we cannot even imagine? No one knows. Enjoy the party while
it is going on. Analyze later. Worrying hurts no one but you and those
around you. I have given up worrying about it all. It is now in God's hands.
I surrender.

Ed, NM2K

back to antennas

Ed Cregger wrote:

Ed:

You are not just right, you are right on.

...
The more people that want a piece of the pie, the smaller the pieces will
be. Our main, number #1 problem is over population for the resources we have
remaining and the lifestyle we wish to live. But you know that.

Yes, strange the last thing our public servants will consider is closing
the borders ... well, until you consider the desire for dirt-cheap labor
and an impoverished work force which will work for next to nothing ...
and you are quite right, I did know that--but then, anyone with the gray
matter to blow away a fly would ... :-(

Nature culls its creatures occasionally. Will it be by disease/plague? By
wars? By things we cannot even imagine? No one knows. Enjoy the party while
it is going on. Analyze later. Worrying hurts no one but you and those
around you. I have given up worrying about it all. It is now in God's hands.
I surrender.

Ed, NM2K

back to antennas

Yes, a disease which favored the control freaks, corrupt public servants
and the power-hungry would be useful right about now ...

And yes, something new, unique or at least interesting and not seen
before would be nice--even with antennas! I am all ears! :-)

Warm regards,
JS

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:19:56 -0400, "Ed Cregger"
wrote:


"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Ed Cregger wrote:

...
snip
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The more people that want a piece of the pie, the smaller the pieces will
be. Our main, number #1 problem is over population for the resources we have
remaining and the lifestyle we wish to live. But you know that.

Nature culls its creatures occasionally. Will it be by disease/plague? By
wars? By things we cannot even imagine? No one knows. Enjoy the party while
it is going on. Analyze later. Worrying hurts no one but you and those
around you. I have given up worrying about it all. It is now in God's hands.
I surrender.

Ed, NM2K

back to antennas


How about taking a look at a population density map.

"JosephKK" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:19:56 -0400, "Ed Cregger"
wrote:


"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Ed Cregger wrote:

...
snip
---------

The more people that want a piece of the pie, the smaller the pieces will
be. Our main, number #1 problem is over population for the resources we
have
remaining and the lifestyle we wish to live. But you know that.

Nature culls its creatures occasionally. Will it be by disease/plague? By
wars? By things we cannot even imagine? No one knows. Enjoy the party
while
it is going on. Analyze later. Worrying hurts no one but you and those
around you. I have given up worrying about it all. It is now in God's
hands.
I surrender.

Ed, NM2K

back to antennas


How about taking a look at a population density map.

---------------

How about giving me a clue? What is your point?

Ed Cregger

Ed Cregger wrote:
"JosephKK" wrote in message


How about taking a look at a population density map.

---------------

How about giving me a clue? What is your point?


It's probably the old "How can there be too many people when there are
so many empty spaces"? Chestnut, used by some to imply that we have
alot of room to expand. The answer is simple.

If the land is crowded, you can't grow the crops.

If the land is in the middle of the Sahara, you can't have many people
living on it.

Same goes for Death Vally, Antarctica, The Canadian Arctic, jungles and
on and on.

In our area, Many farmers have sold off prime agricultural land for
housing development. After all, "someone else" will grow the food.
Problem is, the someone else sold off his land too.

When the places that are inhospitible to life are taken out of the
picture, it doesn't look quite so happy.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -