"John Smith" wrote in message
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Ed Cregger wrote:

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No offense intended, but the first really scary thing that I learned as
an adult was that there is no "they". It is all random. See, I told you
that was scary.
...

Well, I differ, the "they" are those in power with the chance to make
things better, or make a buck--however, we seem to live in a world where
this two things are mutually exclusive! If it were I or you, or we
together, who were the ones in "power", we would face great temptations to
do the same--sell out our fellow citizens to fatten our wallets. The
safeguards, which were once in place, are now gone--money purchasing your
congressmen and senators fixed that ...


Anyway, we have another chance, in fact, multitude chances, to save our
civilization. But it will probably spring from technologies and ways of
thinking which we cannot even imagine presently.

Try to enjoy the good things and times while they are here, for they too
are transitory. And just in case you forgot, so are we.

Ed Cregger

We are indeed in a time of GREAT transition. The gold in the gold fields
is gone. The BIG trees in the forests have all been harvested. In the
Sierra Nevada's, "they" have left belts of trees along the highways for
aesthetics, but venture a little ways off these highways and you find
great areas of clear cut land. In the old days, one single log could fill
a logging truck; today, these trucks appear to be carrying loads of
pencils! Every acre of ground is now in the hands of private citizens,
companies/corps or the gov't. All the farm ground is now in production
which is economically feasible to grow crops on; we tax the reserves of
cheaply available fertilizer we have left to raise these crops. Every
gallon of water in the lakes, rivers and streams is owned by some entity.

Without anymore natural resources to exploit--we now face a much different
world. While capitalism was wonderful when resources were abundantly
plentiful to be raped, it will now be interesting to see how it functions.

I see a world with vast numbers of impoverished "have-nothings" and a few
members of a ruling class with their knaves and female servents ... but
come hell-or-high-water, we shall see this "new world order." The gears
which bring it turn now; and, I see none powerful enough to halt them.

But then, I digress from antennas ...

Regards,
JS

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The more people that want a piece of the pie, the smaller the pieces will
be. Our main, number #1 problem is over population for the resources we have
remaining and the lifestyle we wish to live. But you know that.

Nature culls its creatures occasionally. Will it be by disease/plague? By
wars? By things we cannot even imagine? No one knows. Enjoy the party while
it is going on. Analyze later. Worrying hurts no one but you and those
around you. I have given up worrying about it all. It is now in God's hands.
I surrender.

Ed, NM2K

back to antennas

Ed Cregger wrote:

Ed:

You are not just right, you are right on.

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The more people that want a piece of the pie, the smaller the pieces will
be. Our main, number #1 problem is over population for the resources we have
remaining and the lifestyle we wish to live. But you know that.

Yes, strange the last thing our public servants will consider is closing
the borders ... well, until you consider the desire for dirt-cheap labor
and an impoverished work force which will work for next to nothing ...
and you are quite right, I did know that--but then, anyone with the gray
matter to blow away a fly would ... :-(

Nature culls its creatures occasionally. Will it be by disease/plague? By
wars? By things we cannot even imagine? No one knows. Enjoy the party while
it is going on. Analyze later. Worrying hurts no one but you and those
around you. I have given up worrying about it all. It is now in God's hands.
I surrender.

Ed, NM2K

back to antennas

Yes, a disease which favored the control freaks, corrupt public servants
and the power-hungry would be useful right about now ...

And yes, something new, unique or at least interesting and not seen
before would be nice--even with antennas! I am all ears! :-)

Warm regards,
JS

On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:19:56 -0400, "Ed Cregger"
wrote:


"John Smith" wrote in message
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Ed Cregger wrote:

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The more people that want a piece of the pie, the smaller the pieces will
be. Our main, number #1 problem is over population for the resources we have
remaining and the lifestyle we wish to live. But you know that.

Nature culls its creatures occasionally. Will it be by disease/plague? By
wars? By things we cannot even imagine? No one knows. Enjoy the party while
it is going on. Analyze later. Worrying hurts no one but you and those
around you. I have given up worrying about it all. It is now in God's hands.
I surrender.

Ed, NM2K

back to antennas


How about taking a look at a population density map.

"JosephKK" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:19:56 -0400, "Ed Cregger"
wrote:


"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Ed Cregger wrote:

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snip
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The more people that want a piece of the pie, the smaller the pieces will
be. Our main, number #1 problem is over population for the resources we
have
remaining and the lifestyle we wish to live. But you know that.

Nature culls its creatures occasionally. Will it be by disease/plague? By
wars? By things we cannot even imagine? No one knows. Enjoy the party
while
it is going on. Analyze later. Worrying hurts no one but you and those
around you. I have given up worrying about it all. It is now in God's
hands.
I surrender.

Ed, NM2K

back to antennas


How about taking a look at a population density map.

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How about giving me a clue? What is your point?

Ed Cregger

Ed Cregger wrote:
"JosephKK" wrote in message


How about taking a look at a population density map.

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How about giving me a clue? What is your point?


It's probably the old "How can there be too many people when there are
so many empty spaces"? Chestnut, used by some to imply that we have
alot of room to expand. The answer is simple.

If the land is crowded, you can't grow the crops.

If the land is in the middle of the Sahara, you can't have many people
living on it.

Same goes for Death Vally, Antarctica, The Canadian Arctic, jungles and
on and on.

In our area, Many farmers have sold off prime agricultural land for
housing development. After all, "someone else" will grow the food.
Problem is, the someone else sold off his land too.

When the places that are inhospitible to life are taken out of the
picture, it doesn't look quite so happy.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

Michael Coslo wrote:

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It's probably the old "How can there be too many people when there are
so many empty spaces"? Chestnut, used by some to imply that we have alot
of room to expand. The answer is simple.

If the land is crowded, you can't grow the crops.

If the land is in the middle of the Sahara, you can't have many people
living on it.

Same goes for Death Vally, Antarctica, The Canadian Arctic, jungles and
on and on.

In our area, Many farmers have sold off prime agricultural land for
housing development. After all, "someone else" will grow the food.
Problem is, the someone else sold off his land too.

When the places that are inhospitible to life are taken out of the
picture, it doesn't look quite so happy.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

"Gad Dummit Man"; get off that soap box, QUICK!

Next they will be demanding we depart from our "antenna farms" and begin
raising vegetables! LOL!

Regards,
JS

John Smith wrote:
Michael Coslo wrote:

...
It's probably the old "How can there be too many people when there are
so many empty spaces"? Chestnut, used by some to imply that we have
alot of room to expand. The answer is simple.

If the land is crowded, you can't grow the crops.

If the land is in the middle of the Sahara, you can't have many people
living on it.

Same goes for Death Vally, Antarctica, The Canadian Arctic, jungles
and on and on.

In our area, Many farmers have sold off prime agricultural land for
housing development. After all, "someone else" will grow the food.
Problem is, the someone else sold off his land too.

When the places that are inhospitible to life are taken out of the
picture, it doesn't look quite so happy.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

"Gad Dummit Man"; get off that soap box, QUICK!

Next they will be demanding we depart from our "antenna farms" and begin
raising vegetables! LOL!

How about we propose some experiments in which we put up a tower, and
grow crops around it, to see if the radio waves promote the crop growth?

I'll try the experiment with Barley and hops.... ;^)


- 73 d eMike N3LI -

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
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John Smith wrote:
Michael Coslo wrote:

...
It's probably the old "How can there be too many people when there are
so many empty spaces"? Chestnut, used by some to imply that we have alot
of room to expand. The answer is simple.

If the land is crowded, you can't grow the crops.

If the land is in the middle of the Sahara, you can't have many people
living on it.

Same goes for Death Vally, Antarctica, The Canadian Arctic, jungles and
on and on.

In our area, Many farmers have sold off prime agricultural land for
housing development. After all, "someone else" will grow the food.
Problem is, the someone else sold off his land too.

When the places that are inhospitible to life are taken out of the
picture, it doesn't look quite so happy.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

"Gad Dummit Man"; get off that soap box, QUICK!

Next they will be demanding we depart from our "antenna farms" and begin
raising vegetables! LOL!

How about we propose some experiments in which we put up a tower, and grow
crops around it, to see if the radio waves promote the crop growth?

I'll try the experiment with Barley and hops.... ;^)


- 73 d eMike N3LI -

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Or how about genetically engineering a tree to actually be an antenna tree?
Just for kicks, we could patch in some genes to apple, peach and pear trees
too, so it wouldn't be a total ecological loss.

Ed, NM2K

On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:38:31 -0400, "Ed Cregger"
wrote:


"JosephKK" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:19:56 -0400, "Ed Cregger"
wrote:


"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Ed Cregger wrote:

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snip
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The more people that want a piece of the pie, the smaller the pieces will
be. Our main, number #1 problem is over population for the resources we
have
remaining and the lifestyle we wish to live. But you know that.

Nature culls its creatures occasionally. Will it be by disease/plague? By
wars? By things we cannot even imagine? No one knows. Enjoy the party
while
it is going on. Analyze later. Worrying hurts no one but you and those
around you. I have given up worrying about it all. It is now in God's
hands.
I surrender.

Ed, NM2K

back to antennas


How about taking a look at a population density map.

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How about giving me a clue? What is your point?

Ed Cregger


Without looking any further, it is on the map Ed.

"JosephKK" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:38:31 -0400, "Ed Cregger"
wrote:


"JosephKK" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Jul 2008 23:19:56 -0400, "Ed Cregger"
wrote:


"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Ed Cregger wrote:

...
snip
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The more people that want a piece of the pie, the smaller the pieces
will
be. Our main, number #1 problem is over population for the resources we
have
remaining and the lifestyle we wish to live. But you know that.

Nature culls its creatures occasionally. Will it be by disease/plague?
By
wars? By things we cannot even imagine? No one knows. Enjoy the party
while
it is going on. Analyze later. Worrying hurts no one but you and those
around you. I have given up worrying about it all. It is now in God's
hands.
I surrender.

Ed, NM2K

back to antennas


How about taking a look at a population density map.

---------------

How about giving me a clue? What is your point?

Ed Cregger


Without looking any further, it is on the map Ed.


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When I left home for the first time in 1966, I was headed for Lackland AFB
in San Antonio, TX. It was my first passenger jet experience and was a
direct flight from Philadelphia (yeah, I'm that old). I was astounded at all
of the open land beneath the plane and as far as I could see. All thoughts
of over population left my mind for a few decades.

Now a days, I have a little better idea of how much Earth it takes to
support just one average American living our current average life styles. It
takes a lot of land to support one of us when you factor in all of the
things that we consume. Me, I don't want to give up a single damned thing.
So, the answer seems obvious to me. We must put a halt to our expanding
population until our technology advances more and provides us with some
solutions. Is this written in stone? Of course not. Would I restrict anyone
else's ability to procreate, based upon my impression? No, not at all. But I
think it would be nice if we could at least talk it over on the net and on
TV without the religious folks becoming rabid and incensed (sp?). As though
that could ever happen...8)

Ed Cregger