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OK, I'm gonna try and get a better picture for you guys, but it won't
be today because it's pouring down rain.

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DES wrote:
OK, I'm gonna try and get a better picture for you guys, but it won't
be today because it's pouring down rain.


How about going up to the door and asking?

Geoff.


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On Aug 19, 9:24*am, (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) wrote:
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OK, I'm gonna try and get a better picture for you guys, but it won't
be today because it's pouring down rain.


How about going up to the door and asking?

Geoff.


That isn't an option. I can't go into details in a public forum.. I
just need to know if the guy is broadcasting with a ham or CB radio,
and figured you guys could tell me from looking at the antenna.
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DES wrote:

That isn't an option. I can't go into details in a public forum.. I
just need to know if the guy is broadcasting with a ham or CB radio,
and figured you guys could tell me from looking at the antenna.


I don't know what youthink you are doing, but it's not going IMHO to end
well. If you think that the resident of the property is operating
illegally, on whatever band you think they may be doing so, contact a
local ham radio club, or if you don't know of one, the ARRL or local
equivalent and ask for assitance in tracking down the source of the
interference.

I'm sure there is someone near you who has the skill and the equipment to
find out what the problem is and locate the actual source.

Usually they guy with the most visible antennas is the one who is
the least likely source of whatever interference you are experiencing
assuming you are experiencing some sort of interference and are not
just out the get the guy because you don't want anyone with antennas
in your neighborhood.

Geoff.
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On Aug 19, 11:09*am, (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) wrote:
DES wrote:
That isn't an option. I can't go into details in a public forum.. I
just need to know if the guy is broadcasting with a ham or CB radio,
and figured you guys could tell me from looking at the antenna.


I don't know what youthink you are doing, but it's not going IMHO to end
well. If you think that the resident of the property is operating
illegally, on whatever band you think they may be doing so, contact a
local ham radio club, or if you don't know of one, the ARRL or local
equivalent and ask for assitance in tracking down the source of the
interference.

I'm sure there is someone near you who has the skill and the equipment to
find out what the problem is and locate the actual source.

Usually they guy with the most visible antennas is the one who is
the least likely source of whatever interference you are experiencing
assuming you are experiencing some sort of interference and are not
just out the get the guy because you don't want anyone with antennas
in your neighborhood.

Geoff.
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What the hell, public forum or not, I need some help here, and this
guy is giving legal users a bad name.

I've approached the guy *several* times over the past few yrs and
asked him very nicely to lower the boost/gain (whatever it's called)
on his radio and he has complaied to a certain extent.

His broadcast were only coming through my stereo speakers during low
passages at the time.

As of a few months ago, it is now so bad, that his broadcast are now
coming through my TV speakers, and causing horizontal lines in the
picture. (on all four of my TV's) And it's so bad on my computer
speakers now, that I have to turn them off. As far as listening to my
stereo, I can't even do that now if he is broadcasting.

So I approached him again, only this time, he told me to "F off", that
"he wasn't doing anything illegal".

When I got home, not only was the broadcast even louder, he was
telling one of his radio buddies about the "incident" in FULL detail.

So, I know for a FACT it is him.

I know just need to know what kind of radio he is using.

Question, can a CB transmit


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On Aug 19, 11:54*am, DES wrote:
On Aug 19, 11:09*am, (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) wrote:



DES wrote:
That isn't an option. I can't go into details in a public forum.. I
just need to know if the guy is broadcasting with a ham or CB radio,
and figured you guys could tell me from looking at the antenna.


I don't know what youthink you are doing, but it's not going IMHO to end
well. If you think that the resident of the property is operating
illegally, on whatever band you think they may be doing so, contact a
local ham radio club, or if you don't know of one, the ARRL or local
equivalent and ask for assitance in tracking down the source of the
interference.


I'm sure there is someone near you who has the skill and the equipment to
find out what the problem is and locate the actual source.


Usually they guy with the most visible antennas is the one who is
the least likely source of whatever interference you are experiencing
assuming you are experiencing some sort of interference and are not
just out the get the guy because you don't want anyone with antennas
in your neighborhood.


Geoff.
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What the hell, public forum or not, I need some help here, and this
guy is giving legal users a bad name.

I've approached the guy *several* times over the past few yrs and
asked him very nicely to lower the boost/gain (whatever it's called)
on his radio and he has complaied to a certain extent.

His broadcast were only coming through my stereo speakers during low
passages at the time.

As of a few months ago, it is now so bad, that his broadcast are now
coming through my TV speakers, and causing horizontal lines in the
picture. (on all four of my TV's) *And it's so bad on my computer
speakers now, that I have to turn them off. As far as listening to my
stereo, I can't even do that now if he is broadcasting.

So I approached him again, only this time, he told me to "F off", that
"he wasn't doing anything illegal".

When I got home, not only was the broadcast even louder, he was
telling one of his radio buddies about the "incident" in FULL detail.

So, I know for a FACT it is him.

I know just need to know what kind of radio he is using.

Hit send by accident.

Question, can a CB transmit 700 miles?

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:02:39 -0700 (PDT), DES
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Question, can a CB transmit 700 miles?


At the power levels you are suggesting, globally during certain
periods of the sun spot cycle. But that is not terribly different
with legal CB power.

As to his remarking that he wasn't doing anything illegal (CB with
amplification that some smarmy posters here think is perfectly OK); if
that be the case, then you need to fix your problem, because the FCC
does not mandate that a Ham legally using his equipment is obligated
to defer to your TV watching habits.

That fix is going to be the same if power levels don't go down for any
reason (issues of morality notwithstanding). The judicious and
liberal application of Ferrite RFI suppressors will solve a lot of
your suffering.

Look at any of your computer display leads and notice the end of the
cable with the odd bulge before one connector. That is a suppressor.
It is nothing more than a ferrite donut or tube. Ferrite is a
magnetic ceramic (it will break like china if you drop it). It is
made in many forms and appears to be dark gray with a slick to dusty
finish. The Ferrite RFI suppressors available at Radio Shack come
with a plastic clamshell holding one of these tubes that is split
lengthwise so you can open it, insert a wire or wires, and then lock
it shut. This makes it reusable if the problem isn't solved with your
choice of wire(s) or where you apply it.

This last suggests experimentation on your part is necessary. It also
means you are going to need more than one given you have described a
number of issues. For a start, get two or three and see how well they
work on the power cords going to the affected component (TV, radio,
computer) and even with both wires of any speaker. In short, put a
suppressor on any interconnecting cable or wire and see if symptoms
change.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC
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DES wrote:

...

Hit send by accident.

Question, can a CB transmit 700 miles?


CB (not Cooking Bands) can do 7000+ ... even on 5 watts, but then, sun
spot activity has been down ...

Regards,
JS
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DES wrote:

What the hell, public forum or not, I need some help here, and this
guy is giving legal users a bad name.


You have not in any way proved that he is NOT a legal user.

What I've gotten out of your posts a

1. He is having conversations using a radio.

2. Your stereo system picks them up.

3. You are annoyed by this.

Anything else is in the end irrelevant.

Since he is speaking to someone else, he is NOT broadcasting and may very
well be operating legally. Since you have not said where you are, people
have assumed that you are in the U.S. If that is not the case, this
is the time to say where you are.

I've approached the guy *several* times over the past few yrs and
asked him very nicely to lower the boost/gain (whatever it's called)
on his radio and he has complaied to a certain extent.


That's very nice of him. If he is operating legally, then there is NOTHING
that he MUST do, and he was trying to accomodate you. You were acting
like a neighbor who calls the fire department everytime someone lights
their barbeque.

His broadcast were only coming through my stereo speakers during low
passages at the time.


How were they doing that? Do they come through with the stereo off? If they
do it's a problem with the speakers and their wiring. If they don't,
it's a problem with the stereo itself, YOUR antenna, or YOUR power wiring.

As of a few months ago, it is now so bad, that his broadcast are now
coming through my TV speakers, and causing horizontal lines in the
picture. (on all four of my TV's) And it's so bad on my computer
speakers now, that I have to turn them off. As far as listening to my
stereo, I can't even do that now if he is broadcasting.


Now we are getting somewhere. Are they connected to cable TV? Do you have
an external antenna?

So I approached him again, only this time, he told me to "F off", that
"he wasn't doing anything illegal".


I don't agree with the method, but the message is correct. If he is
not doing anything illegal, it's your problem, not his. He's tried to
make a reasonable accomodation (reducing power), but you've done nothing
except complain more.

When I got home, not only was the broadcast even louder, he was
telling one of his radio buddies about the "incident" in FULL detail.

So, I know for a FACT it is him.

I know just need to know what kind of radio he is using.


Most likely he is using a ham transmiter in the AM mode. These are quite
rare nowadays, but are perfectly legal. If he were using FM mode it
would sound like a loud continuous buzz, and if it were single side band,
the more popular mode, it would sound like donald duck and you probably
could not understand him.

If he were using morse code, it would sound like buzzing that stops and
starts quickly.

He may be using a CB as many of them are AM, but generally they have a range
of about 5-10 miles. Even with illegal power, due to global cooling (lack
of sunspots), they won't reach far beyond line of sight for another 3-5
years.

At this point if I were you, I would go knock on his door, appologize for
the misunderstanding in the past and ask for him to either give you advice
on what to do to resolve the problem or recommend someone to ask.

My guess is as a start that YOU have an electrician come out and check
the GROUND wire on your electrical system. Make sure YOUR main panel is
in fact grounded and all the outlets you have are really grounded.

Unless you have ISO-BAR (or better) surge protectors, throw them away.
It's not a waste of good money, they are worthless trash anyway.

After that unplug the antenna connections from all of your TV's and
stereo system. Have him transmit a test signal. If they come through the
TV's, or stereo, get power line filters. If no signal comes through the
TV or stereo, and it starts when you reconnect the antenna, get a better
antenna (shielded wire) connection with a proper ground and a "high pass"
filter.

Get good computer speakers anyway. Try USB ones instead of ones that
plug into your sound card.

Geoff.
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What the hell, public forum or not, I need some help here, and this
guy is giving legal users a bad name.

I've approached the guy *several* times over the past few yrs and
asked him very nicely to lower the boost/gain (whatever it's called)
on his radio and he has complaied to a certain extent.

His broadcast were only coming through my stereo speakers during low
passages at the time.

As of a few months ago, it is now so bad, that his broadcast are now
coming through my TV speakers, and causing horizontal lines in the
picture. (on all four of my TV's) And it's so bad on my computer
speakers now, that I have to turn them off. As far as listening to my
stereo, I can't even do that now if he is broadcasting.

So I approached him again, only this time, he told me to "F off", that
"he wasn't doing anything illegal".

When I got home, not only was the broadcast even louder, he was
telling one of his radio buddies about the "incident" in FULL detail.

So, I know for a FACT it is him.

I know just need to know what kind of radio he is using.

Question, can a CB transmit

In my limited experience it is not the power level that leads to the
interference but excessive modulation level. Over modulation leads to
spatter all over and is lost power as far as the user is concerned.

In other words, he would put out a larger signal if he kept it to the
intended frequency. Unfortunately those who flaunt the law are seldom
interested in facts.

If it is infact a legal transmission you should at some time hear
callsign information.

John Ferrell W8CCW


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