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On Aug 19, 9:24*am, (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) wrote:
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OK, I'm gonna try and get a better picture for you guys, but it won't
be today because it's pouring down rain.


How about going up to the door and asking?

Geoff.


That isn't an option. I can't go into details in a public forum.. I
just need to know if the guy is broadcasting with a ham or CB radio,
and figured you guys could tell me from looking at the antenna.
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That isn't an option. I can't go into details in a public forum.. I
just need to know if the guy is broadcasting with a ham or CB radio,
and figured you guys could tell me from looking at the antenna.


I don't know what youthink you are doing, but it's not going IMHO to end
well. If you think that the resident of the property is operating
illegally, on whatever band you think they may be doing so, contact a
local ham radio club, or if you don't know of one, the ARRL or local
equivalent and ask for assitance in tracking down the source of the
interference.

I'm sure there is someone near you who has the skill and the equipment to
find out what the problem is and locate the actual source.

Usually they guy with the most visible antennas is the one who is
the least likely source of whatever interference you are experiencing
assuming you are experiencing some sort of interference and are not
just out the get the guy because you don't want anyone with antennas
in your neighborhood.

Geoff.
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On Aug 19, 11:09*am, (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) wrote:
DES wrote:
That isn't an option. I can't go into details in a public forum.. I
just need to know if the guy is broadcasting with a ham or CB radio,
and figured you guys could tell me from looking at the antenna.


I don't know what youthink you are doing, but it's not going IMHO to end
well. If you think that the resident of the property is operating
illegally, on whatever band you think they may be doing so, contact a
local ham radio club, or if you don't know of one, the ARRL or local
equivalent and ask for assitance in tracking down the source of the
interference.

I'm sure there is someone near you who has the skill and the equipment to
find out what the problem is and locate the actual source.

Usually they guy with the most visible antennas is the one who is
the least likely source of whatever interference you are experiencing
assuming you are experiencing some sort of interference and are not
just out the get the guy because you don't want anyone with antennas
in your neighborhood.

Geoff.
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Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel *N3OWJ/4X1GM


What the hell, public forum or not, I need some help here, and this
guy is giving legal users a bad name.

I've approached the guy *several* times over the past few yrs and
asked him very nicely to lower the boost/gain (whatever it's called)
on his radio and he has complaied to a certain extent.

His broadcast were only coming through my stereo speakers during low
passages at the time.

As of a few months ago, it is now so bad, that his broadcast are now
coming through my TV speakers, and causing horizontal lines in the
picture. (on all four of my TV's) And it's so bad on my computer
speakers now, that I have to turn them off. As far as listening to my
stereo, I can't even do that now if he is broadcasting.

So I approached him again, only this time, he told me to "F off", that
"he wasn't doing anything illegal".

When I got home, not only was the broadcast even louder, he was
telling one of his radio buddies about the "incident" in FULL detail.

So, I know for a FACT it is him.

I know just need to know what kind of radio he is using.

Question, can a CB transmit
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On Aug 19, 11:54*am, DES wrote:
On Aug 19, 11:09*am, (Geoffrey S. Mendelson) wrote:



DES wrote:
That isn't an option. I can't go into details in a public forum.. I
just need to know if the guy is broadcasting with a ham or CB radio,
and figured you guys could tell me from looking at the antenna.


I don't know what youthink you are doing, but it's not going IMHO to end
well. If you think that the resident of the property is operating
illegally, on whatever band you think they may be doing so, contact a
local ham radio club, or if you don't know of one, the ARRL or local
equivalent and ask for assitance in tracking down the source of the
interference.


I'm sure there is someone near you who has the skill and the equipment to
find out what the problem is and locate the actual source.


Usually they guy with the most visible antennas is the one who is
the least likely source of whatever interference you are experiencing
assuming you are experiencing some sort of interference and are not
just out the get the guy because you don't want anyone with antennas
in your neighborhood.


Geoff.
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What the hell, public forum or not, I need some help here, and this
guy is giving legal users a bad name.

I've approached the guy *several* times over the past few yrs and
asked him very nicely to lower the boost/gain (whatever it's called)
on his radio and he has complaied to a certain extent.

His broadcast were only coming through my stereo speakers during low
passages at the time.

As of a few months ago, it is now so bad, that his broadcast are now
coming through my TV speakers, and causing horizontal lines in the
picture. (on all four of my TV's) *And it's so bad on my computer
speakers now, that I have to turn them off. As far as listening to my
stereo, I can't even do that now if he is broadcasting.

So I approached him again, only this time, he told me to "F off", that
"he wasn't doing anything illegal".

When I got home, not only was the broadcast even louder, he was
telling one of his radio buddies about the "incident" in FULL detail.

So, I know for a FACT it is him.

I know just need to know what kind of radio he is using.

Hit send by accident.

Question, can a CB transmit 700 miles?

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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:02:39 -0700 (PDT), DES
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Question, can a CB transmit 700 miles?


At the power levels you are suggesting, globally during certain
periods of the sun spot cycle. But that is not terribly different
with legal CB power.

As to his remarking that he wasn't doing anything illegal (CB with
amplification that some smarmy posters here think is perfectly OK); if
that be the case, then you need to fix your problem, because the FCC
does not mandate that a Ham legally using his equipment is obligated
to defer to your TV watching habits.

That fix is going to be the same if power levels don't go down for any
reason (issues of morality notwithstanding). The judicious and
liberal application of Ferrite RFI suppressors will solve a lot of
your suffering.

Look at any of your computer display leads and notice the end of the
cable with the odd bulge before one connector. That is a suppressor.
It is nothing more than a ferrite donut or tube. Ferrite is a
magnetic ceramic (it will break like china if you drop it). It is
made in many forms and appears to be dark gray with a slick to dusty
finish. The Ferrite RFI suppressors available at Radio Shack come
with a plastic clamshell holding one of these tubes that is split
lengthwise so you can open it, insert a wire or wires, and then lock
it shut. This makes it reusable if the problem isn't solved with your
choice of wire(s) or where you apply it.

This last suggests experimentation on your part is necessary. It also
means you are going to need more than one given you have described a
number of issues. For a start, get two or three and see how well they
work on the power cords going to the affected component (TV, radio,
computer) and even with both wires of any speaker. In short, put a
suppressor on any interconnecting cable or wire and see if symptoms
change.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC


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On Aug 19, 12:20*pm, Richard Clark wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:02:39 -0700 (PDT), DES
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Question, can a CB transmit 700 miles?


At the power levels you are suggesting, globally during certain
periods of the sun spot cycle. *But that is not terribly different
with legal CB power.


So, if I'm hearing him on a daily bases speaking to someone that is
700 miles away, then it has to be a Ham?

As to his remarking that he wasn't doing anything illegal (CB with
amplification that some smarmy posters here think is perfectly OK); if
that be the case, then you need to fix your problem, because the FCC
does not mandate that a Ham legally using his equipment is obligated
to defer to your TV watching habits.


He's obviously not legal. He has been getting louder and louder over
the years to the point of what I described in my earlier post about
the problem with the TV's now.

And even the very first time I approached him, I mentioned that I knew
he was broadcasting illegally, and that we all have our hobbies, but
his was interfering with mine, which at the time was home theater. He
didn't deny that he wasn't illegal, at the time, and he did lower the
power, for a while.

I've approached this guy at least 5 times in the past few yrs, and
every time he has lowered the power, for a while. Not this time,
though, and it is now out of control.

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He's obviously not legal. He has been getting louder and louder over
the years to the point of what I described in my earlier post about
the problem with the TV's now.



You are probably not going to agree with this Des, but the fact that you
have a problem with your TV and hifi is no indication that the guy with the
transmitter is at fault. Hams are legally allowed to transmit with very high
power and the fact that your equipment is susceptible to these transmissions
is more an indication of your equipment's short comings than the
transmitter's. Unfortunately some manufacturers take few precautions to
prevent this kind of interference getting into audio equipment etc. They
prefer to save money and only deal with complaints when they occur; it is
more cost effective for them!! The selling price is no indication of how
well a TV or hifi will stand up when exposed to strong transmissions.

Home theatre set ups are especially susceptible due to all the long speaker
cables lying about acting as antennas.

Regards
Jeff





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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:52:18 -0700 (PDT), DES
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So, if I'm hearing him on a daily bases speaking to someone that is
700 miles away, then it has to be a Ham?


There is nothing to distinguish a Ham from a CBer here.

He's obviously not legal.


As you came here to make a determination of class of operation, your
statement is clearly a guess, not "obviously" a correct observation.

Simple point in fact is that even for a professional, it is
exceedingly difficult to determine a power level that is not legal.
You, as a citizen, are perfectly empowered to notify the nearest FCC
field office that is equipped to do this, but I wouldn't hold my
breath. Your tax rebate check robbed that agency of enforcement power
funds so you could buy a new TV. You can change that at the ballot
box - expect a higher tax bill if you want government to solve this.

He has been getting louder and louder over
the years to the point of what I described in my earlier post about
the problem with the TV's now.

And even the very first time I approached him, I mentioned that I knew
he was broadcasting illegally, and that we all have our hobbies, but
his was interfering with mine, which at the time was home theater. He
didn't deny that he wasn't illegal, at the time, and he did lower the
power, for a while.

I've approached this guy at least 5 times in the past few yrs, and
every time he has lowered the power, for a while. Not this time,
though, and it is now out of control.


Yes, not pleasant at all. Your complaint is neither new, nor original
over the course of 80 years now. In all practicality, your only real
option is to go to Radio Shack and stock up on suppressors. Save
yourself the added postage cost of sending a letter to the FCC and the
delay of bureaucracy waiting for them to tell you the same thing.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC
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DES wrote:
He's obviously not legal. He has been getting louder and louder over
the years to the point of what I described in my earlier post about
the problem with the TV's now.


How do you know that? It could very easily be that YOUR problem is getting
worse. You just automaticly blame him without doing anything to determine
what the real problem is.

I'm probably at least 6,000 miles away from you but you should check out
what I wrote in my last post very carefully. I think in the end not
only will you owe him an apology, but you will thank him for pointing
out a situation which could cause your house to burn down with you in it.

BTW, do you happen to live in Willingboro New Jersey? Or somewhere built
around the same time? *

Geoff.

* Aluminum house wiring, which if you do have it, it ALL should be
replaced. Aluminum wiring from the pole to your main panel is ok, but
in the walls, it's a disaster working up to the "big one".

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DES wrote in news:c377d678-0e14-4051-a74f-
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On Aug 19, 12:20*pm, Richard Clark wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:02:39 -0700 (PDT), DES
wrote:

Question, can a CB transmit 700 miles?


At the power levels you are suggesting, globally during certain
periods of the sun spot cycle. *But that is not terribly different
with legal CB power.


So, if I'm hearing him on a daily bases speaking to someone that is
700 miles away, then it has to be a Ham?


At this point in the sunspot cycle, I would think that to be the case,
though summertime sporadic E propagation can put a CB signal down at that
distance.

As to his remarking that he wasn't doing anything illegal (CB with
amplification that some smarmy posters here think is perfectly OK); if
that be the case, then you need to fix your problem, because the FCC
does not mandate that a Ham legally using his equipment is obligated
to defer to your TV watching habits.


He's obviously not legal. He has been getting louder and louder over
the years to the point of what I described in my earlier post about
the problem with the TV's now.


How many times have you changed your equipment over the years? I mean
your audio equipment is responding to RADIO signals. Those are not
audio signals and the problem really lies in the fact that your equipment
is responding to radio signals that it SHOULD reject. As the years have
gone by, audio and TV equipment has used smaller and smaller devices.
Vacuum tube TV sets were virtually immune to this kind of interference
(though not to harmonic interference). Vacuum tube stereos were almost
never affected. Transistors began to dhange that. This is because
transistors are essentally the same kind of thing early crystal set
radios were made from. With the advent of microchips, the problem got
excessive, because some of the transistors are much tinier than the
crystal-catwhisker junctions of the old crystal sets. So put a strong
radio station, especially an AM or SSB station (if you're able to copy
your neighbour, that might be a clue that he's using CB, as few hams use
AM these days, but if he sounds like Donald Duck and you have to strain
to make him out, he's more likely a ham) near a modern stereo made by
companies more than willing to save 10 cents per product by leaving out
any credible attempt to suppress radio frequency pickup, and you have the
makings of a nasty problem. My Kenwood stereo is remarkably immune, but
Kenwood also makes and sells amateur radio equipment and has a reputation
to uphold with the users of same. Even so, I needed suppression on the
line cord, the stereo input cabling (except the digital inputs) and all
the speaker leads.

And even the very first time I approached him, I mentioned that I knew
he was broadcasting illegally, and that we all have our hobbies, but
his was interfering with mine, which at the time was home theater. He
didn't deny that he wasn't illegal, at the time, and he did lower the
power, for a while.


If he is running on the CB band. a local ham should be able to at least
veryify this. Power on CB is limited to 5 watts AM carrier or 12 watts
peak SSB power. Hams, on the other hand, are permitted a kilowatt.

I've approached this guy at least 5 times in the past few yrs, and
every time he has lowered the power, for a while. Not this time,
though, and it is now out of control.


Knowing the dimensions of the antenna might help, along with a better
picture.

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One more thing, if he's a ham, he will sign his callsign fairly often,
whereas CBer's don't really have them anymore.

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