JB wrote:

This is getting to be a bit of tit for tat, JB, and I have no illusions
of getting you to support evolving life, and though I was once a
creationist of sorts when I was young, that ship has long sailed in my case.

If creation science is going to be science, it is going to have to
produce some science.

I'd love to see some peer reviewed cites of the creationist research,
but none seem to be forthcoming. If you have any, let me know, and I'll
read and discuss them wit ya.


So till then we'll just have to disagree.


- 73 de Mike N3LI -

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
JB wrote:

This is getting to be a bit of tit for tat, JB, and I have no illusions
of getting you to support evolving life, and though I was once a
creationist of sorts when I was young, that ship has long sailed in my
case.

Then you are in agreement with Carl Marx, who left seminary school after
reading Darwin's theory

If creation science is going to be science, it is going to have to
produce some science.

Creation Science is only scientific in it's view and interpretation of the
problems with macro evolution interpretation. It deals with review of
existing science that has been found lacking. It is not concerned
specifically with productivity nor in generating fraudulent science for the
purpose of satisfying grant requirements.

I'd love to see some peer reviewed cites of the creationist research,
but none seem to be forthcoming. If you have any, let me know, and I'll
read and discuss them wit ya.


So till then we'll just have to disagree.


- 73 de Mike N3LI -

Your pre-conceived peers can't be trusted because of overt and hysterical
censorship by threats of character assassination and blacklisting. Evidence
that supports alternate conclusions exists outside of your search limits so
are dismissed with prejudice.

On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:43:16 GMT, "JB" wrote:

Creation Science is only scientific in it's view and interpretation of the
problems with macro evolution interpretation. It deals with review of
existing science that has been found lacking. It is not concerned
specifically with productivity nor in generating fraudulent science for the
purpose of satisfying grant requirements.

Science is only religious in its view and interpretation of the
problems with claims of divine representatives. Science deals with
the review of existing religion that has been found lacking. Science
is not concerned specifically with Adam's DNA, nor in generating faith
based testimonials for the purpose of satisfying collections.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 18:43:16 GMT, "JB" wrote:

Creation Science is only scientific in it's view and interpretation of
the
problems with macro evolution interpretation. It deals with review of
existing science that has been found lacking. It is not concerned
specifically with productivity nor in generating fraudulent science for
the
purpose of satisfying grant requirements.

Science is only religious in its view and interpretation of the
problems with claims of divine representatives. Science deals with
the review of existing religion that has been found lacking. Science
is not concerned specifically with Adam's DNA, nor in generating faith
based testimonials for the purpose of satisfying collections.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Wherever men see themselves as the authority, there is potential for
corruption in any institution. My beef is not specifically with science,
but with the arrogant who seek to re-engineer everything in the world to
their own ideal, including American society and world climate, heedless of
the damage. Is Christianity such a threat that hysterical administrators
should throw people out of school for praying, or to utter the name of
Jesus?

Oh to have the insight of Joseph or Daniel.

Let us take "Global Warming" for an example. The environmental storm
troopers are all set to institute great changes and restrictions on the way
we do business in an attempt to "correct" climate change. This might be a
good thing if it can be done without harming the economy. Why? If you will
notice, the major environmental damage around the world exists in
impoverished nations where the population lives for the day at the expense
of the future. It is a good thing to be wary for the environment if you can
afford the luxury of it. Climate change might be a good thing if we were
completely aware of all of the causes and results of it. But all
indications are, if the human race can't even reduce wasteful and hazardous
use of resources, any idea of intervention beyond that could only risk
overcorrecting since anything that can actually be set into motion seems to
have to progress to near disaster before we change course.

The Bible is a great study of the folly of man, and the only Hope for
salvation.

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:56:14 GMT, "JB" wrote:

Wherever men see themselves as the authority, there is potential for
corruption in any institution. My beef is not specifically with science,
but with the arrogant who seek to re-engineer everything in the world to
their own ideal, including American society and world climate, heedless of
the damage. Is Christianity such a threat that hysterical administrators
should throw people out of school for praying, or to utter the name of
Jesus?

My beef is not specifically with religion, but with the arrogant who
seek to re-faith everything in the world to their own dogma. I won't
expand on "including" American society and world climate because that
is already explicit in "everything in the world" unless, of course,
there is some divine perspective that combines American society and
the world climate that is unshared with "everything in the world." Is
science such a threat that hysterical pulpit pounders should
excommunicate people for embracing an irrational Pi, or because
Einstein was a Jew just as much as Jesus was?

Oh to have the insight of Joseph or Daniel.

Or any number of others....

Let us take "Global Warming" for an example. The environmental storm
troopers

Less than subtle holocaust framing.

are all set to institute great changes and restrictions on the way
we do business in an attempt to "correct" climate change. This might be a
good thing

In light of the frame built around this picture, I doubt the sincerity
of what this "might be."

if it can be done without harming the economy.

The only indestructible economy ran behind the iron curtain for 70
years. In the same span of time the western economy suffered many
plunges that wrecked it and the Commies smiled in their infinite
wisdom. So much for shedding tears over harming an economy.

Why? If you will
notice, the major environmental damage around the world exists in
impoverished nations where the population lives for the day at the expense
of the future.

The glorification of consumption and celebration of decadence in the
enriched nations has easily eclipsed their plight.

It is a good thing to be wary for the environment if you can
afford the luxury of it.

Doing nothing is vastly more expensive. The luxury card is
narcissistic.

Climate change might be a good thing if we were
completely aware of all of the causes and results of it.

Another limp sincerity in that "might be."

But all
indications are, if the human race can't even reduce wasteful and hazardous
use of resources, any idea of intervention beyond that could only risk
overcorrecting since anything that can actually be set into motion seems to
have to progress to near disaster before we change course.

The Bible is a great study of the folly of man, and the only Hope for
salvation.

If the Qur'an has no hope then the gospels have been discarded in that
statement. The Torah, likewise. The Bhagavad Gita possibly
end-arounds these dismissals - but easily speaks to the issues.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

I doubt the sincerity
of what this "might be."
You got that right. Just exercising a line of thought.


If the Soviet economy was indestructible then it's only because people
weren't. You have made my point about mad scientists, and now philosophers
and other intellectuals too, considering the world holocaust that way
overshadows the Nazi atrocities. It is interesting that it is always so
fashionable to beat Hitler, the Monster, over and over while Stalin, Uncle
Joe, and many others of his kind keeps getting a free pass.

What makes you think you wouldn't be so easily expendable as well. There
would be no need for those who demoralize and destabilize after the crisis
unless to maintain the crisis away from home. KGB made that policy. Notice
that the "Labor Union" was the Government, Employer, Management and owned
all the money, food, housing too. Call it State Capitalism or Imperialism.

If the US and the Whole World economies and environment are destroyed, it
will be because of everyone trying to get something for nothing. Not a good
thing for anyone to get something for nothing, nor to be envious.

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:56:14 GMT, "JB" wrote:

Wherever men see themselves as the authority, there is potential for
corruption in any institution. My beef is not specifically with science,
but with the arrogant who seek to re-engineer everything in the world to
their own ideal, including American society and world climate, heedless
of
the damage. Is Christianity such a threat that hysterical administrators
should throw people out of school for praying, or to utter the name of
Jesus?

My beef is not specifically with religion, but with the arrogant who
seek to re-faith everything in the world to their own dogma. I won't
expand on "including" American society and world climate because that
is already explicit in "everything in the world" unless, of course,
there is some divine perspective that combines American society and
the world climate that is unshared with "everything in the world." Is
science such a threat that hysterical pulpit pounders should
excommunicate people for embracing an irrational Pi, or because
Einstein was a Jew just as much as Jesus was?

Oh to have the insight of Joseph or Daniel.

Or any number of others....

Let us take "Global Warming" for an example. The environmental storm
troopers

Less than subtle holocaust framing.

are all set to institute great changes and restrictions on the way
we do business in an attempt to "correct" climate change. This might be
a
good thing

In light of the frame built around this picture, I doubt the sincerity
of what this "might be."

if it can be done without harming the economy.

The only indestructible economy ran behind the iron curtain for 70
years. In the same span of time the western economy suffered many
plunges that wrecked it and the Commies smiled in their infinite
wisdom. So much for shedding tears over harming an economy.

Why? If you will
notice, the major environmental damage around the world exists in
impoverished nations where the population lives for the day at the
expense
of the future.

The glorification of consumption and celebration of decadence in the
enriched nations has easily eclipsed their plight.

It is a good thing to be wary for the environment if you can
afford the luxury of it.

Doing nothing is vastly more expensive. The luxury card is
narcissistic.

Climate change might be a good thing if we were
completely aware of all of the causes and results of it.

Another limp sincerity in that "might be."

But all
indications are, if the human race can't even reduce wasteful and
hazardous
use of resources, any idea of intervention beyond that could only risk
overcorrecting since anything that can actually be set into motion seems
to
have to progress to near disaster before we change course.

The Bible is a great study of the folly of man, and the only Hope for
salvation.

If the Qur'an has no hope then the gospels have been discarded in that
statement. The Torah, likewise. The Bhagavad Gita possibly
end-arounds these dismissals - but easily speaks to the issues.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:23:55 GMT, "JB" wrote:

I doubt the sincerity
of what this "might be."
You got that right. Just exercising a line of thought.

I will skip the rest of the fluff.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC