On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:56:14 GMT, "JB" wrote:

Wherever men see themselves as the authority, there is potential for
corruption in any institution. My beef is not specifically with science,
but with the arrogant who seek to re-engineer everything in the world to
their own ideal, including American society and world climate, heedless of
the damage. Is Christianity such a threat that hysterical administrators
should throw people out of school for praying, or to utter the name of
Jesus?

My beef is not specifically with religion, but with the arrogant who
seek to re-faith everything in the world to their own dogma. I won't
expand on "including" American society and world climate because that
is already explicit in "everything in the world" unless, of course,
there is some divine perspective that combines American society and
the world climate that is unshared with "everything in the world." Is
science such a threat that hysterical pulpit pounders should
excommunicate people for embracing an irrational Pi, or because
Einstein was a Jew just as much as Jesus was?

Oh to have the insight of Joseph or Daniel.

Or any number of others....

Let us take "Global Warming" for an example. The environmental storm
troopers

Less than subtle holocaust framing.

are all set to institute great changes and restrictions on the way
we do business in an attempt to "correct" climate change. This might be a
good thing

In light of the frame built around this picture, I doubt the sincerity
of what this "might be."

if it can be done without harming the economy.

The only indestructible economy ran behind the iron curtain for 70
years. In the same span of time the western economy suffered many
plunges that wrecked it and the Commies smiled in their infinite
wisdom. So much for shedding tears over harming an economy.

Why? If you will
notice, the major environmental damage around the world exists in
impoverished nations where the population lives for the day at the expense
of the future.

The glorification of consumption and celebration of decadence in the
enriched nations has easily eclipsed their plight.

It is a good thing to be wary for the environment if you can
afford the luxury of it.

Doing nothing is vastly more expensive. The luxury card is
narcissistic.

Climate change might be a good thing if we were
completely aware of all of the causes and results of it.

Another limp sincerity in that "might be."

But all
indications are, if the human race can't even reduce wasteful and hazardous
use of resources, any idea of intervention beyond that could only risk
overcorrecting since anything that can actually be set into motion seems to
have to progress to near disaster before we change course.

The Bible is a great study of the folly of man, and the only Hope for
salvation.

If the Qur'an has no hope then the gospels have been discarded in that
statement. The Torah, likewise. The Bhagavad Gita possibly
end-arounds these dismissals - but easily speaks to the issues.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

I doubt the sincerity
of what this "might be."
You got that right. Just exercising a line of thought.


If the Soviet economy was indestructible then it's only because people
weren't. You have made my point about mad scientists, and now philosophers
and other intellectuals too, considering the world holocaust that way
overshadows the Nazi atrocities. It is interesting that it is always so
fashionable to beat Hitler, the Monster, over and over while Stalin, Uncle
Joe, and many others of his kind keeps getting a free pass.

What makes you think you wouldn't be so easily expendable as well. There
would be no need for those who demoralize and destabilize after the crisis
unless to maintain the crisis away from home. KGB made that policy. Notice
that the "Labor Union" was the Government, Employer, Management and owned
all the money, food, housing too. Call it State Capitalism or Imperialism.

If the US and the Whole World economies and environment are destroyed, it
will be because of everyone trying to get something for nothing. Not a good
thing for anyone to get something for nothing, nor to be envious.

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 00:56:14 GMT, "JB" wrote:

Wherever men see themselves as the authority, there is potential for
corruption in any institution. My beef is not specifically with science,
but with the arrogant who seek to re-engineer everything in the world to
their own ideal, including American society and world climate, heedless
of
the damage. Is Christianity such a threat that hysterical administrators
should throw people out of school for praying, or to utter the name of
Jesus?

My beef is not specifically with religion, but with the arrogant who
seek to re-faith everything in the world to their own dogma. I won't
expand on "including" American society and world climate because that
is already explicit in "everything in the world" unless, of course,
there is some divine perspective that combines American society and
the world climate that is unshared with "everything in the world." Is
science such a threat that hysterical pulpit pounders should
excommunicate people for embracing an irrational Pi, or because
Einstein was a Jew just as much as Jesus was?

Oh to have the insight of Joseph or Daniel.

Or any number of others....

Let us take "Global Warming" for an example. The environmental storm
troopers

Less than subtle holocaust framing.

are all set to institute great changes and restrictions on the way
we do business in an attempt to "correct" climate change. This might be
a
good thing

In light of the frame built around this picture, I doubt the sincerity
of what this "might be."

if it can be done without harming the economy.

The only indestructible economy ran behind the iron curtain for 70
years. In the same span of time the western economy suffered many
plunges that wrecked it and the Commies smiled in their infinite
wisdom. So much for shedding tears over harming an economy.

Why? If you will
notice, the major environmental damage around the world exists in
impoverished nations where the population lives for the day at the
expense
of the future.

The glorification of consumption and celebration of decadence in the
enriched nations has easily eclipsed their plight.

It is a good thing to be wary for the environment if you can
afford the luxury of it.

Doing nothing is vastly more expensive. The luxury card is
narcissistic.

Climate change might be a good thing if we were
completely aware of all of the causes and results of it.

Another limp sincerity in that "might be."

But all
indications are, if the human race can't even reduce wasteful and
hazardous
use of resources, any idea of intervention beyond that could only risk
overcorrecting since anything that can actually be set into motion seems
to
have to progress to near disaster before we change course.

The Bible is a great study of the folly of man, and the only Hope for
salvation.

If the Qur'an has no hope then the gospels have been discarded in that
statement. The Torah, likewise. The Bhagavad Gita possibly
end-arounds these dismissals - but easily speaks to the issues.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:23:55 GMT, "JB" wrote:

I doubt the sincerity
of what this "might be."
You got that right. Just exercising a line of thought.

I will skip the rest of the fluff.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard Clark wrote:
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:23:55 GMT, "JB" wrote:

I doubt the sincerity
of what this "might be."
You got that right. Just exercising a line of thought.

I will skip the rest of the fluff.


Just when it was getting good! We were close to hearing how the Somalian
pirates believe in evolution, and I was hoping to get a Jeffrey
Dahmer/evolution connection.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:04:02 -0400, Michael Coslo
wrote:

Richard Clark wrote:
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:23:55 GMT, "JB" wrote:

I doubt the sincerity
of what this "might be."
You got that right. Just exercising a line of thought.

I will skip the rest of the fluff.

Just when it was getting good! We were close to hearing how the Somalian
pirates believe in evolution, and I was hoping to get a Jeffrey
Dahmer/evolution connection.

Hi Mike,

I don't know what dots you are trying to connect, especially from a
argument that lifts its rhetoric from the CIA playbook of the late 40s
[gad, that rusty polemic of Stalin getting a free ride reeks of
Nixon's first stump speech].

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
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On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:04:02 -0400, Michael Coslo
wrote:

Richard Clark wrote:
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:23:55 GMT, "JB" wrote:

I doubt the sincerity
of what this "might be."
You got that right. Just exercising a line of thought.

I will skip the rest of the fluff.

Just when it was getting good! We were close to hearing how the Somalian
pirates believe in evolution, and I was hoping to get a Jeffrey
Dahmer/evolution connection.

Ask the Somalian pirates what they think.
Maybe Jeff thought eating his lovers would be a form of evolution. It is a
form of "CHANGE".
Evolution also implies that a species get's better over time. This is
highly debatable.



I don't know what dots you are trying to connect, especially from a
argument that lifts its rhetoric from the CIA playbook of the late 40s
[gad, that rusty polemic of Stalin getting a free ride reeks of
Nixon's first stump speech].

CIA playbook? Wasn't that a comic book showing kids how to clog toilets?


73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Screw rhetoric and polemic. We don't even need to put labels on it.
Government power can be divided into that which is moderated by the consent
of the governed, and Government power that isn't. When a Government doesn't
have to worry about getting beheaded or losing an election, it is free to
govern at it's own pleasure.

Just look at the result of it. And no fair re-spinning history. McCarthy
thought it wasn't a very good idea to have Soviet spys in the Army crypto
room after WW2 so he started asking about it and why they shouldn't just
find another job. So rather than denying it, Dems got Hysterically
Dramatical and haven't stopped since. Most of them just went on the talk
show circuit and got honorary chairs at the universities, so it isn't like
they were walking the streets living out of dumpsters. The Venona project
finally revealed that most of them were in fact either foreign agents,
handlers or helpers of a hostile power.

Tell me you hadn't noticed that the bright future promised to the world by
scolding magpies, doesn't exist anywhere they have achieved totalitarian
control. When you control by fear, you don't really need the hearts and
minds of the people anyway. All they have to do is look and act that way,
or else.


As for those who think this is off-topic, then change the subject line to
something about antennas.

On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:07:13 GMT, "JB" wrote:
Screw rhetoric and polemic.

That would have been enough to write, but it was only the prelude to
the paleo-polemic of John Birch (aka screwed) rhetoric I've snipped.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard Clark wrote:
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:04:02 -0400, Michael Coslo
wrote:

Richard Clark wrote:
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:23:55 GMT, "JB" wrote:

I doubt the sincerity
of what this "might be."
You got that right. Just exercising a line of thought.
I will skip the rest of the fluff.
Just when it was getting good! We were close to hearing how the Somalian
pirates believe in evolution, and I was hoping to get a Jeffrey
Dahmer/evolution connection.

Hi Mike,

I don't know what dots you are trying to connect, especially from a
argument that lifts its rhetoric from the CIA playbook of the late 40s
[gad, that rusty polemic of Stalin getting a free ride reeks of
Nixon's first stump speech].


After being compared with Ol' commie Joe, I figured that since we were
in the name calling stage, I might as well see how many names I could
get JB to call me. I thought you were going soft on the OM.

So I had to get things jump started.


Turning the other cheek now.....

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:05:46 -0400, Michael Coslo
wrote:
After being compared with Ol' commie Joe, I figured that since we were
in the name calling stage, I might as well see how many names I could
get JB to call me. I thought you were going soft on the OM.

John Birch may have elevated Uncle Joe's stock in that comparison to
you....

How's that for going soft?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

"Michael Coslo" wrote in message
...
Richard Clark wrote:
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:04:02 -0400, Michael Coslo
wrote:

Richard Clark wrote:
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 19:23:55 GMT, "JB" wrote:

I doubt the sincerity
of what this "might be."
You got that right. Just exercising a line of thought.
I will skip the rest of the fluff.
Just when it was getting good! We were close to hearing how the
Somalian
pirates believe in evolution, and I was hoping to get a Jeffrey
Dahmer/evolution connection.

Hi Mike,

I don't know what dots you are trying to connect, especially from a
argument that lifts its rhetoric from the CIA playbook of the late 40s
[gad, that rusty polemic of Stalin getting a free ride reeks of
Nixon's first stump speech].


After being compared with Ol' commie Joe, I figured that since we were
in the name calling stage, I might as well see how many names I could
get JB to call me. I thought you were going soft on the OM.

I guess you didn't get what I said (it's not about you) now I don't know
what you are talking about.