Home |
Search |
Today's Posts |
#11
![]() |
|||
|
|||
![]()
steveeh131047 wrote:
As a newcomer to the group I'm hesitant to join a discussion which has been running for almost 200 postings, and where the protagonists understand the topic in much greater depth than I do. But here goes .... My starting assumption is that EZNEC can model a helical inductor reasonably accurately, with the exception of the increase in AC resitance caused by proximity effects. Yes, that's correct. Fortunately, proximity effect is generally negligible unless the turn spacing is very close. If I take an EZNEC model of a coil - 40 turns #14 wire, 6" diameter, 12" long - I discover it has a characteristic impedance of about 2550 ohms at a self-resonant frequency of around 6.1 MHz. A single conductor doesn't have a characteristic impedance -- it's the impedance between the two conductors of a transmission line. You can measure a characteristic impedance between, say, a coil and ground, but its value depends on the spacing between the two. If the coil is tilted with respect to the ground, the impedance of this two-conductor system will change with the position along the coil. If I use it as the base loading coil for a short vertical antenna with a 6ft whip above it, I notice that EZNEC shows a difference in the current at the top of the coil compared with the bottom of about 0.69:1, and a resonant frequency of 3.79MHz. I then look to see which of the various models might reasonably predict the values observed in the EZNEC modelling. Clearly, a simple lumped-element inductor doesn't get close. I've read various web pages and postings which argue qualitatively that things like "distributed capacitance" might explain some of the observations, but as yet I've seen no quantitative analysis which attempts to predict the numbers. It's difficult or impossible to do with lumped elements. A vertical loading coil has not only series inductance, but also capacitance to ground or, in the case of a dipole, to the other half of the dipole. This capacitance varies along the coil, being greatest at the bottom and increasing toward the top. (This is the cause of the varying Z0 I mentioned above.) But there's also a delay associated with the capacitance which complicates the interaction to the point where you can't easily model it with lumped elements. And the coil radiates, which alters its current distribution. That said, a lumped inductor makes a fairly decent model for a physically very small (in terms of wavelength) toroidal loading coil, since it has minimal capacitance to ground and a minimal amount of radiation. I actually built a vertical, loaded it with one, and made careful measurements which I posted on this newsgroup several years ago. Cecil is still complaining about it. The displacement current flowing through those capacitances, not some "effective degrees of antenna" phenomenon, is what causes the current along a solenoidal loading coil to vary. If you reduce the capacitances to a low value as I did in my measurement, the currents at the ends become nearly the same, which is what the measurement showed. In contrast, I look at the work of Corum & Corum and of G3YNH who insist that "coils are best regarded as transmission lines", and I get quantitative results which closely match the EZNEC results. For my example coil, I get a self resonant frequency of 6.3MHz (cf 6.1MHz), a characteristic impedance of 2792 ohms (cf 2550 ohms) and an Iout/Iin ratio of 0.72 (cf 0.69) Not only that, the transmission line model predicts an inductive reactance very close to that needed for antenna resonance at 3.79 MHz You've kind of lost me here, since I can't see how you've replaced a two-terminal coil with a four-terminal transmission line. And a transmission line doesn't radiate, so that sometimes-important property of a solenoidal coil is ignored. I'm a simple soul, and I don't pretend to understand all the maths involved; I merely observe that the transmission line approach delivers "hard numbers" that closely match those predicted by EZNEC. I've yet to see another model get close. So, until I do, I guess I have to favour the approach of Corum & Corum, G3YNH et al. Be sure to test the approach with other configurations, such as longer and shorter coils, frequencies well away from resonance, etc. to find the limits of applicability of the approach. Does it correctly predict the field strength? Efficiency? Bandwidth? If someone can show me similarly accurate results from an approach based on a lumped-element model, I'd be interested to see them. Me, too. The thing which prompted me to add the automated helix generation feature to EZNEC was the realization that lumped loads so often did a poor job of simulating solenoidal loading inductors. Roy Lewallen, W7EL |
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
Display Modes | |
|
|
![]() |
||||
Thread | Forum | |||
Dish Network "500" dish with two LNBs | Homebrew | |||
Kenwood reflector | General | |||
Vet. with a reflector | Antenna | |||
Reflector for Hammarlund | Boatanchors | |||
Reflector for Hammarlund | Boatanchors |