On Sep 5, 9:30*am, Mike Coslo wrote:
Gordon wrote:
Art Unwin wrote in news:cf5b3115-db1d-42a5-98cb-
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Thus to state spin or torque is not a force
is truly rediculous. Let the insults come.

Of course torque is a force. *Ask any auto mechanic.

I am more familier with the Corriolis force as
it applies to weather. *IE: the spin of huricanes,
the rotation of weather around low pressure systems.

And that is what the Coriolis force is. It's a mechanical effect, and
not an electrical one.

Art is trying to convince us that EM energy is also a mechanical force,
consisting of particles that fly off the end of our antennas like little
turds. The ramifications of that means that everything we thought we
know about RF - and in fact all physics is completely wrong.

* * * * - 73 de Mike N3LI -

That is correct and soon the teachings will reflect what I proposed

On Sep 5, 10:52*am, Art Unwin wrote:
On Sep 5, 9:30*am, Mike Coslo wrote:





Gordon wrote:
Art Unwin wrote in news:cf5b3115-db1d-42a5-98cb-
:

Thus to state spin or torque is not a force
is truly rediculous. Let the insults come.

Of course torque is a force. *Ask any auto mechanic.

I am more familier with the Corriolis force as
it applies to weather. *IE: the spin of huricanes,
the rotation of weather around low pressure systems.

And that is what the Coriolis force is. It's a mechanical effect, and
not an electrical one.

Art is trying to convince us that EM energy is also a mechanical force,
consisting of particles that fly off the end of our antennas like little
turds. The ramifications of that means that everything we thought we
know about RF - and in fact all physics is completely wrong.

* * * * - 73 de Mike N3LI -

That is correct and soon the teachings will reflect what I proposed- Hide quoted text -

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Art should surely stick to the one liners. ROTFLAMO.

Jimmie

"Mike Coslo" wrote
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Art is trying to convince us that EM energy is also a mechanical force,
consisting of particles that fly off the end of our antennas like little
turds. The ramifications of that means that everything we thought we know
about RF - and in fact all physics is completely wrong.

You have made a small mistake. Antennas are feed with the oscillating
voltage. So the little truds fly off and come back. It is normal
longitudinal wave.
The key problem is what radiate: the end of an antenna or something else.
What do you think?
S*

"Szczepan Bia³ek" wrote in message
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"Mike Coslo" wrote
...

Art is trying to convince us that EM energy is also a mechanical force,
consisting of particles that fly off the end of our antennas like little
turds. The ramifications of that means that everything we thought we know
about RF - and in fact all physics is completely wrong.

You have made a small mistake. Antennas are feed with the oscillating
voltage. So the little truds fly off and come back. It is normal
longitudinal wave.
The key problem is what radiate: the end of an antenna or something else.
What do you think?
S*


No, you've made a mistake ... again. EM waves are transverse waves in air
(i.e. around a normal antenna) not longitudinal waves (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longitudinal_wave). Sound waves are
longitudinal because air pressure is a scalar, whereas electric and magnetic
fields are vectors - they have polarisation.

Also, antennas that radiate are fed with alternating current. The terminal
voltage is almost immaterial in comparison with the current - that's what
causes the radiation.

If you want to discover what radiates I suggest you read one of the normal
text books on the subject, like Kraus 'Antennas', and stop making up your
own versions!

Chris

"christofire" wrote
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"Szczepan Bia³ek" wrote in message
...

"Mike Coslo" wrote
...

Art is trying to convince us that EM energy is also a mechanical force,
consisting of particles that fly off the end of our antennas like little
turds. The ramifications of that means that everything we thought we
know about RF - and in fact all physics is completely wrong.

You have made a small mistake. Antennas are feed with the oscillating
voltage. So the little truds fly off and come back. It is normal
longitudinal wave.
The key problem is what radiate: the end of an antenna or something else.
What do you think?
S*


No, you've made a mistake ... again. EM waves are transverse waves in air
(i.e. around a normal antenna) not longitudinal waves (see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longitudinal_wave).

EM waves by Maxwell are transverse waves. They are the paper waves. The real
electric waves are mainly longitudinal.

Sound waves are longitudinal because air pressure is a scalar, whereas
electric and magnetic fields are vectors - they have polarisation.

The math has not to do here.
Here is the full acoustic analogy. The two loudspeakers work like the two
monopoles.

Also, antennas that radiate are fed with alternating current. The
terminal voltage is almost immaterial in comparison with the current -
that's what causes the radiation.

If you want to discover what radiates I suggest you read one of the normal
text books on the subject, like Kraus 'Antennas', and stop making up your
own versions!

To discower what radiates will be better to do experiments with tipping of
monopole antenas.

S*

Szczepan Bia³ek wrote:

"Mike Coslo" wrote
...

Art is trying to convince us that EM energy is also a mechanical
force, consisting of particles that fly off the end of our antennas
like little turds. The ramifications of that means that everything we
thought we know about RF - and in fact all physics is completely wrong.

You have made a small mistake.

Yup, getting involved in a religious argument, Sorry about that!

I'll be Art's religion can explain Chemtrails too! 8^)

- 73 de Mike N3LI

On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:30:13 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote:

Art is trying to convince us that ... in fact all physics is completely wrong.

How many years and thousands of postings did it take to come to that
observation?

What comes around goes around (the Corriolis force defined). ;-)

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard Clark wrote:
On Sat, 05 Sep 2009 10:30:13 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote:

Art is trying to convince us that ... in fact all physics is completely wrong.

How many years and thousands of postings did it take to come to that
observation?


Well whaddya expect when all my electrons were replaced this morning.
Some of them got a little messed up.....

Now I'm working on a way to get the particles that leave my antennas to
be replaced with gold instead of more particles of Aluminum or copper.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

On Sep 5, 9:30*am, Mike Coslo wrote:
Gordon wrote:
Art Unwin wrote in news:cf5b3115-db1d-42a5-98cb-
:

Thus to state spin or torque is not a force
is truly rediculous. Let the insults come.

Of course torque is a force. *Ask any auto mechanic.

I am more familier with the Corriolis force as
it applies to weather. *IE: the spin of huricanes,
the rotation of weather around low pressure systems.

And that is what the Coriolis force is. It's a mechanical effect, and
not an electrical one.

Art is trying to convince us that EM energy is also a mechanical force,
consisting of particles that fly off the end of our antennas like little
turds. The ramifications of that means that everything we thought we
know about RF - and in fact all physics is completely wrong.

* * * * - 73 de Mike N3LI -

Where on earth did you get that thought from.? Or is your intent to
mess up the minds of everybody? This line "Art is trying to convince
us that EM energy is also a mechanical force consisting of particles"
Where did you see that comment? As for things flying of the ends of
an antenna where did that idea come from?
Everything in this world can be converted to electrical units! What
you want to label them
at any particular time is fine by me. But untruths are something else.
Is this what your presence in this discussion you intend to propagate?

"Art Unwin" wrote in message
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On Sep 5, 9:30 am, Mike Coslo wrote:

Where on earth did you get that thought from.? Or is your intent to
mess up the minds of everybody? This line "Art is trying to convince
us that EM energy is also a mechanical force consisting of particles"
Where did you see that comment? As for things flying of the ends of
an antenna where did that idea come from?

are you now denying your magical levitating diamagnetic neutrinos from the
sun that get kicked off the antenna elements??