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I see that I am going to have to re-assert your own standard:
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 20:31:42 GMT, Owen Duffy wrote: there is a proposition that a transmitter "designed/adjusted for, and expecting a 50 + j 0 ohm load" can be well represented by a Thevenin equivalent circuit and naturally has Zeq=50+j0. On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 00:19:34 GMT, Owen Duffy wrote: For the data I asked, you supplied: I have performed many tests on many radios. One documented example is at http://vk1od.net/blog/?p=1045 . and offered: I invite you and others to perform the same test. You will realise that one, or even 100 supporting tests do not prove the proposition, but one valid test to the contrary is damaging. The test of proving the "proposition" invalid is, in part: Adjusting the load impedance ... on this load with VSWR(50)=1.5 ... is proof that the equivalent source impedance of the transmitter is not 50+j0Ohm. I observed how you violated the adjusted-for part of "designed/adjusted for, and expecting a 50 + j 0 ohm load." As no claim has been made by anyone about a source being constant in Z nor in Power across all loads and all frequencies, your response does not conform to your own reprise of the "proposition." ******* What you have performed is a load pull which constructs a curve of complex source impedances around the point at which the transmitter was adjusted for a 50 Ohm load. All well and good. However, Thevenin's theorem says nothing of this. The correct test, to the letter of the theorem is a test no one performs: the measured open circuit voltage divided by the measured short circuit current. ******* If I were to return to another statement from your link offered in my quote above: the transmitter is 50+j0Ohm is in all likelihood incorrect. I am speaking strictly to what is reported and to the implied accuracy of 50 ±0.5 Ohms. I seriously doubt that you have the means to achieve the absolute accuracy of 1%. To many, this is a trivial point - simply because they, too, are wholly incapable of achieving even ten times this error. That is, measure an RF power in the HF to within ±10%. So I often get shrugged off with a dismissal of "so what?" What is this scrabbling over decimal points that I am making? IF: the equivalent source impedance of the transmitter is not 50+j0Ohms then it could easily be satisfied by it being 51+j0Ohms, as you do not report what the Z was. I am sure some would condemn 51 Ohms with sneering contempt. Reports of what the Source Z "is not" is not informative in the least. What the significance 1 Ohm has when the likelihood of being able make a measurement with much less range of error is approaching nil and thus does not stand as a very rigorous proof AGAINST the "proposition." Similarly, IF: the equivalent source impedance of the transmitter is 50+j0Ohms then even this may not qualify if the source impedance MUST be 50+j0Ohms as, again, the likelihood of being able make a measurement within ±1% range of error is approaching nil and thus does not stand as a very rigorous proof FOR the "proposition." ******** Last, I see the lack of rigor in reporting that is so evidenced by Walt's work. I am familiar with EVERY one of his lab instruments (enumerated elsewhere) as I have calibrated ALL like them in three different RF Standards laboratories over my career as a Metrologist. I am wholly informed as to their capabilities and capacities to perform the tests he reports to the precision and accuracies he documents. I am also trained in the methods of performing this work and I have read from Walt's descriptions that he has taken care to observe the proper methods. All of these considerations are scrupulous to his first two steps of his description which amply demonstrate: there is a proposition that a transmitter "designed/adjusted for, and expecting a 50 + j 0 ohm load" can be well represented by a Thevenin equivalent circuit and naturally has Zeq=50+j0. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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