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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"K1TTT" wrote
...
On Aug 8, 6:23 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

In Ampere electroDYNAMICS no magnetism.

The XXI century will be the century of Ampere ElectroDYNAMICS. It is the
common opinion.

what good is a theory without magnetism. it obviously doesn't fit the
real world as we know it today. maybe it is your opinion, but its not
anywhere i have heard of.

Gravity force, electrostatic force and magnetic force are the real world for
the most people. But not for scientists.

Utter, babbling nonsense.

They know that in the space is the place for the one of them.
So step by step they decrease the number of them.
The first was Aepinus who proved that gravity and electrostatic are the
same.
The last step was made by Ampere who build the artifical magnet - solenoid.
It means that magnetism is an ilussion like gravity. The all forces are
electric.

Word salad and gibberish.

ampere's theory dates from almost 200 years
ago and was the predecessor of electromagnetics, so you seem to have
taken another step backwards, now you are almost 2 centuries out of
date.

Heaviside was not scientists and he has taken another step backwards to
Poisson's fluids.
He did not understand Maxwell and Stokes.

Teachers must be in "real world" and wait for the end of works on the
Unification of gravity, electricity and magnetism (they are pending).
S*

More word salad and gibberish.


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On Aug 10, 7:51*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
"K1TTT" ...
On Aug 8, 6:23 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



In Ampere electroDYNAMICS no magnetism.

The XXI century will be the century of Ampere ElectroDYNAMICS. It is the
common opinion.
what good is a theory without magnetism. *it obviously doesn't fit the

real world as we know it today. *maybe it is your opinion, but its not
anywhere i have heard of.

Gravity force, electrostatic force and magnetic force are the real world for
the most people. But not for scientists.
They know that in the space is the place for the one of them.
So step by step they decrease the number of them.
The first was Aepinus who proved that gravity and electrostatic are the
same.
The last step was made by Ampere who build the artifical magnet - solenoid.
It means that magnetism is an ilussion like gravity. The all forces are
electric.

ampere's theory dates from almost 200 years

ago and was the predecessor of electromagnetics, so you seem to have
taken another step backwards, now you are almost 2 centuries out of
date.

Heaviside was not scientists and he has taken another step backwards to
Poisson's fluids.
He did not understand Maxwell and Stokes.

Teachers must be in "real world" and wait for the end of works on the
Unification of gravity, electricity and magnetism (they are pending).
S*

it sure would be nice if gravity and electrostatics were the same
force, would make it easy to build antigravity device, just hook up a
van de graf generator and fly away!!! you really are digging up some
old and incorrect theories from long ago... keep digging and you'll
get back to the 4 basic elements, then you will know everything.

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"K1TTT" wrote
...
On Aug 10, 7:51 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Teachers must be in "real world" and wait for the end of works on the
Unification of gravity, electricity and magnetism (they are pending).
S*

it sure would be nice if gravity and electrostatics were the same
force, would make it easy to build antigravity device, just hook up a
van de graf generator and fly away!!!

Moon dust fly away.
On the Earth the soap-bubble levitates if are charged.
Earth and Moon have the excess of electrons.

you really are digging up some
old and incorrect theories from long ago... keep digging and you'll
get back to the 4 basic elements, then you will know everything.

Bill Baka wrote: "Some of you guys need a 'TRUE' history lesson."

In the history are the reasons for which Maxwell did the hipothesis and and
why it was discarded.
Not as a whole. The math for solid body is in using. In a solid body are
stress and strains.

In the history no the school version by Heaviside. It is only in your "real
world" and in textbooks.
S*

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"K1TTT" wrote
...
On Aug 10, 7:51 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Teachers must be in "real world" and wait for the end of works on the
Unification of gravity, electricity and magnetism (they are pending).
S*

it sure would be nice if gravity and electrostatics were the same
force, would make it easy to build antigravity device, just hook up a
van de graf generator and fly away!!!

Moon dust fly away.
On the Earth the soap-bubble levitates if are charged.
Earth and Moon have the excess of electrons.

Babbling word salad.

you really are digging up some
old and incorrect theories from long ago... keep digging and you'll
get back to the 4 basic elements, then you will know everything.

Bill Baka wrote: "Some of you guys need a 'TRUE' history lesson."

In the history are the reasons for which Maxwell did the hipothesis and and
why it was discarded.
Not as a whole. The math for solid body is in using. In a solid body are
stress and strains.

In the history no the school version by Heaviside. It is only in your "real
world" and in textbooks.
S*

More babbling word salad.

Seek medical help.


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On 08/05/2010 06:35 PM, tom wrote:
On 8/5/2010 7:37 PM, Bill Baka wrote:
On 08/05/2010 05:13 PM, tom wrote:
On 8/5/2010 2:38 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
wrote
. net...
On 8/4/2010 2:45 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Now everybody from you can measure the electron emission and heat
emission.
I was expected that you (radio people) know the results.

Actually we do. You, who believe the 200 and 100 year old myths, don't
believe us. And then you prattle on about us not knowing of what we
speak
when it is you who do not.

Tesla wrote in XX century that EM is a myth. I simply agree with him.
Tell me then who know better how the radio works: Tesla or you?
S*



Me.

*t

I hate to break in on private arguments, but Tesla was one of the
smartest people to ever walk this earth. Are You?
He invented Radio, but Marconi took the credit, using at least 6 of
Tesla's patents.
I can rant on Edison and Daguerre, but that gets long.
Some of you guys need a 'TRUE' history lesson.

Bill Baka, Listener only, since I rent these days.
Had a 1st Class Radiotelephone with Marine RADAR, P1-12-24966,
but gave it up some years back when they decided to do away with the
first class distinction.

Different numbers, but hard work to get anyway.

I was specifically responding to the part where it is claimed that Tesla
said EM is a myth. I feel quite safe, thanks.

But I wouldn't have debated alternating current motors with Tesla. No sir.

*t

I am not arguing the obvious, just that Tesla was a genius before his
time. Edison had some creativity but mostly stole other people's
inventions and made them work for commercially viable products.
He wanted to distribute DC power but Tesla wanted nothing to do with it
so he became allied with Western House who knew that AC motors were the
way to go. Since Edison went with D.C. and then found out it was only
good at the local level he lost out. It took years but we can all see
the effects by looking at those million volt transmission towers. I
climbed one about 15 years ago and all I could hear was the crackling
around me. Let Edison try to convert DC at that level.
Bill Baka

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On 08/06/2010 12:42 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
wrote
. net...
On 8/5/2010 7:37 PM, Bill Baka wrote:
On 08/05/2010 05:13 PM, tom wrote:
On 8/5/2010 2:38 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Tesla wrote in XX century that EM is a myth. I simply agree with him.
Tell me then who know better how the radio works: Tesla or you?
Me.

I hate to break in on private arguments, but Tesla was one of the
smartest people to ever walk this earth. Are You?
He invented Radio, but Marconi took the credit, using at least 6 of
Tesla's patents.
I can rant on Edison and Daguerre, but that gets long.
Some of you guys need a 'TRUE' history lesson.

Bill Baka, Listener only, since I rent these days.
Had a 1st Class Radiotelephone with Marine RADAR, P1-12-24966,
but gave it up some years back when they decided to do away with the
first class distinction.

Different numbers, but hard work to get anyway.

I was specifically responding to the part where it is claimed that Tesla
said EM is a myth. I feel quite safe, thanks.

Nikola Tesla wrote: " I showed that the universal medium is a gaseous body
in which only longitudinal pulses can be propagated, involving alternating
compressions and expansions similar to those produced by sound waves in the
air. Thus, a wireless transmitter does not propagate Hertz waves, which are
a myth, but sound waves in the ether, behaving in every respect like those
in the air, except that, owing to the great elastic force and extremely
small density of the medium, their speed is that of light."

Bill Baka wrote: "Some of you guys need a 'TRUE' history lesson."

There is also wrote that EM wrote Heaviside not Maxwell.
Maxwell's hypothesis was quite different. There were the molecullar magnetic
vortices. Inside the solenoid were millions of them. They rotate the
polarisation plane. What rotate it in Heaviside EM? Inside the solenoid is
the flux. Any rotation.
In our textbooks is wrote "whats a pity that to teaching was choosen
Heaviside not Ampere".
But Ampere is too sophisticated for students.

So, "I feel quite safe, thanks."
S*



I only commented on Tesla being a world smarter than Edison and did not
intend to start an off topic war. P.S. Philo T. Farnsworth invented
television, not RCA, who just ripped him off.

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On 08/05/2010 07:23 PM, tom wrote:
On 8/5/2010 7:37 PM, Bill Baka wrote:
On 08/05/2010 05:13 PM, tom wrote:
On 8/5/2010 2:38 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
wrote
. net...
On 8/4/2010 2:45 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Now everybody from you can measure the electron emission and heat
emission.
I was expected that you (radio people) know the results.

Actually we do. You, who believe the 200 and 100 year old myths, don't
believe us. And then you prattle on about us not knowing of what we
speak
when it is you who do not.

Tesla wrote in XX century that EM is a myth. I simply agree with him.
Tell me then who know better how the radio works: Tesla or you?
S*



Me.

*t

I hate to break in on private arguments, but Tesla was one of the
smartest people to ever walk this earth. Are You?
He invented Radio, but Marconi took the credit, using at least 6 of
Tesla's patents.
I can rant on Edison and Daguerre, but that gets long.
Some of you guys need a 'TRUE' history lesson.

Bill Baka, Listener only, since I rent these days.
Had a 1st Class Radiotelephone with Marine RADAR, P1-12-24966,
but gave it up some years back when they decided to do away with the
first class distinction.

Different numbers, but hard work to get anyway.

Just noticed the renter part.

I've been renting for 35 years and haven't been too seriously
constrained for most of it. And by not seriously constrained I mean 4
over 4 yagis at 25 and 37 feet with 1000 watts on 6m amongst other things.

If you work with your landlord you can often get permission for a lot.
And the right city helps, too.

tom
K0TAR

You are obviously not renting from Herr Commandant Earl Kennedy. He
doesn't allow **** except for maybe a long wire run through the trees.
If he can see it, he says take it down. I can't wait to move to a house
that is farther out and he doesn't own.
Bill Baka

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On 08/10/2010 11:29 PM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
wrote
...
On Aug 10, 7:51 am, "Szczepan wrote:

Teachers must be in "real world" and wait for the end of works on the
Unification of gravity, electricity and magnetism (they are pending).
S*

it sure would be nice if gravity and electrostatics were the same
force, would make it easy to build antigravity device, just hook up a
van de graf generator and fly away!!!

Moon dust fly away.
On the Earth the soap-bubble levitates if are charged.
Earth and Moon have the excess of electrons.

you really are digging up some
old and incorrect theories from long ago... keep digging and you'll
get back to the 4 basic elements, then you will know everything.

Bill Baka wrote: "Some of you guys need a 'TRUE' history lesson."

I didn't start this to be a flame war, but I should have known.
As for really high magnetic fields they have levitated a mouse in the
lab with about 5 Teslas interacting with the water in his body.
Bill Baka

In the history are the reasons for which Maxwell did the hipothesis and and
why it was discarded.
Not as a whole. The math for solid body is in using. In a solid body are
stress and strains.

In the history no the school version by Heaviside. It is only in your "real
world" and in textbooks.
S*

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Bill Baka wrote:
On 08/05/2010 06:35 PM, tom wrote:
On 8/5/2010 7:37 PM, Bill Baka wrote:
On 08/05/2010 05:13 PM, tom wrote:
On 8/5/2010 2:38 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
wrote
. net...
On 8/4/2010 2:45 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Now everybody from you can measure the electron emission and heat
emission.
I was expected that you (radio people) know the results.

Actually we do. You, who believe the 200 and 100 year old myths, don't
believe us. And then you prattle on about us not knowing of what we
speak
when it is you who do not.

Tesla wrote in XX century that EM is a myth. I simply agree with him.
Tell me then who know better how the radio works: Tesla or you?
S*



Me.

*t

I hate to break in on private arguments, but Tesla was one of the
smartest people to ever walk this earth. Are You?
He invented Radio, but Marconi took the credit, using at least 6 of
Tesla's patents.
I can rant on Edison and Daguerre, but that gets long.
Some of you guys need a 'TRUE' history lesson.

Bill Baka, Listener only, since I rent these days.
Had a 1st Class Radiotelephone with Marine RADAR, P1-12-24966,
but gave it up some years back when they decided to do away with the
first class distinction.

Different numbers, but hard work to get anyway.

I was specifically responding to the part where it is claimed that Tesla
said EM is a myth. I feel quite safe, thanks.

But I wouldn't have debated alternating current motors with Tesla. No sir.

*t

I am not arguing the obvious, just that Tesla was a genius before his
time. Edison had some creativity but mostly stole other people's
inventions and made them work for commercially viable products.
He wanted to distribute DC power but Tesla wanted nothing to do with it
so he became allied with Western House who knew that AC motors were the
way to go. Since Edison went with D.C. and then found out it was only
good at the local level he lost out. It took years but we can all see
the effects by looking at those million volt transmission towers. I
climbed one about 15 years ago and all I could hear was the crackling
around me. Let Edison try to convert DC at that level.
Bill Baka

HVDC distribution systems over long distances are not that uncommon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-vo...direct_current

The Pacific DC Intertie from Celilo, Oregon to Sylmar, California is just
under 2,000 km long and runs at .5 MV.


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On Aug 11, 8:46*pm, Bill Baka wrote:
On 08/05/2010 06:35 PM, tom wrote:

On 8/5/2010 7:37 PM, Bill Baka wrote:
On 08/05/2010 05:13 PM, tom wrote:
On 8/5/2010 2:38 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
wrote
use.net...
On 8/4/2010 2:45 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Now everybody from you can measure the electron emission and heat
emission.
I was expected that you (radio people) know the results.

Actually we do. You, who believe the 200 and 100 year old myths, don't
believe us. And then you prattle on about us not knowing of what we
speak
when it is you who do not.

Tesla wrote in XX century that EM is a myth. I simply agree with him..
Tell me then who know better how the radio works: Tesla or you?
S*

Me.

*t

I hate to break in on private arguments, but Tesla was one of the
smartest people to ever walk this earth. Are You?
He invented Radio, but Marconi took the credit, using at least 6 of
Tesla's patents.
I can rant on Edison and Daguerre, but that gets long.
Some of you guys need a 'TRUE' history lesson.

Bill Baka, Listener only, since I rent these days.
Had a 1st Class Radiotelephone with Marine RADAR, P1-12-24966,
but gave it up some years back when they decided to do away with the
first class distinction.

Different numbers, but hard work to get anyway.

I was specifically responding to the part where it is claimed that Tesla
said EM is a myth. I feel quite safe, thanks.

But I wouldn't have debated alternating current motors with Tesla. No sir.

*t

I am not arguing the obvious, just that Tesla was a genius before his
time. Edison had some creativity but mostly stole other people's
inventions and made them work for commercially viable products.
He wanted to distribute DC power but Tesla wanted nothing to do with it
so he became allied with Western House who knew that AC motors were the
way to go. Since Edison went with D.C. and then found out it was only
good at the local level he lost out. It took years but we can all see
the effects by looking at those million volt transmission towers. I
climbed one about 15 years ago and all I could hear was the crackling
around me. Let Edison try to convert DC at that level.
Bill Baka

well, actually edison was right... and many long distance transmission
lines today are DC at up to +/- 600kv, that will put a crackle in your
snap and pop! There are also places where interconnects between major
AC systems are done using back to back AC/DC converters so that the
systems can be isolated due to voltage or frequency control issues.
don't count out large dc motors either, our submarines have been using
them forever... even nuclear subs have dc propulsion systems. All
solar panels start as DC, as are most of the storage systems for them,
and don't forget plugin hybrid or all electric vehicles, most all of
them are dc powered. There is also a new move to use DC distribution
in large data centers to reduce heat from transformers and simplify
backup power systems. most subway systems and electric rail i believe
are also dc powered. and believe it or not, there was still a block in
nyc that was provided with dc by ConEd until 2007, and as i understand
it they had to provide custom rectifiers for some equipment that was
still in use so they could retire the rest of that system.