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On 8/5/2010 7:37 PM, Bill Baka wrote:
On 08/05/2010 05:13 PM, tom wrote:
On 8/5/2010 2:38 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
wrote
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On 8/4/2010 2:45 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Now everybody from you can measure the electron emission and heat
emission.
I was expected that you (radio people) know the results.

Actually we do. You, who believe the 200 and 100 year old myths, don't
believe us. And then you prattle on about us not knowing of what we
speak
when it is you who do not.

Tesla wrote in XX century that EM is a myth. I simply agree with him.
Tell me then who know better how the radio works: Tesla or you?
S*



Me.

*t

I hate to break in on private arguments, but Tesla was one of the
smartest people to ever walk this earth. Are You?
He invented Radio, but Marconi took the credit, using at least 6 of
Tesla's patents.
I can rant on Edison and Daguerre, but that gets long.
Some of you guys need a 'TRUE' history lesson.

Bill Baka, Listener only, since I rent these days.
Had a 1st Class Radiotelephone with Marine RADAR, P1-12-24966,
but gave it up some years back when they decided to do away with the
first class distinction.

Different numbers, but hard work to get anyway.

Just noticed the renter part.

I've been renting for 35 years and haven't been too seriously
constrained for most of it. And by not seriously constrained I mean 4
over 4 yagis at 25 and 37 feet with 1000 watts on 6m amongst other things.

If you work with your landlord you can often get permission for a lot.
And the right city helps, too.

tom
K0TAR

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"tom" wrote
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On 8/5/2010 7:37 PM, Bill Baka wrote:
On 08/05/2010 05:13 PM, tom wrote:
On 8/5/2010 2:38 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Tesla wrote in XX century that EM is a myth. I simply agree with him.
Tell me then who know better how the radio works: Tesla or you?
Me.

I hate to break in on private arguments, but Tesla was one of the
smartest people to ever walk this earth. Are You?
He invented Radio, but Marconi took the credit, using at least 6 of
Tesla's patents.
I can rant on Edison and Daguerre, but that gets long.
Some of you guys need a 'TRUE' history lesson.

Bill Baka, Listener only, since I rent these days.
Had a 1st Class Radiotelephone with Marine RADAR, P1-12-24966,
but gave it up some years back when they decided to do away with the
first class distinction.

Different numbers, but hard work to get anyway.

I was specifically responding to the part where it is claimed that Tesla
said EM is a myth. I feel quite safe, thanks.

Nikola Tesla wrote: " I showed that the universal medium is a gaseous body
in which only longitudinal pulses can be propagated, involving alternating
compressions and expansions similar to those produced by sound waves in the
air. Thus, a wireless transmitter does not propagate Hertz waves, which are
a myth, but sound waves in the ether, behaving in every respect like those
in the air, except that, owing to the great elastic force and extremely
small density of the medium, their speed is that of light."

Bill Baka wrote: "Some of you guys need a 'TRUE' history lesson."

There is also wrote that EM wrote Heaviside not Maxwell.
Maxwell's hypothesis was quite different. There were the molecullar magnetic
vortices. Inside the solenoid were millions of them. They rotate the
polarisation plane. What rotate it in Heaviside EM? Inside the solenoid is
the flux. Any rotation.
In our textbooks is wrote "whats a pity that to teaching was choosen
Heaviside not Ampere".
But Ampere is too sophisticated for students.

So, "I feel quite safe, thanks."
S*

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On Aug 6, 7:42*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"tom" ouse.net...



On 8/5/2010 7:37 PM, Bill Baka wrote:
On 08/05/2010 05:13 PM, tom wrote:
On 8/5/2010 2:38 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Tesla wrote in XX century that EM is a myth. I simply agree with him..
Tell me then who know better how the radio works: Tesla or you?
Me.

I hate to break in on private arguments, but Tesla was one of the
smartest people to ever walk this earth. Are You?
He invented Radio, but Marconi took the credit, using at least 6 of
Tesla's patents.
I can rant on Edison and Daguerre, but that gets long.
Some of you guys need a 'TRUE' history lesson.

Bill Baka, Listener only, since I rent these days.
Had a 1st Class Radiotelephone with Marine RADAR, P1-12-24966,
but gave it up some years back when they decided to do away with the
first class distinction.

Different numbers, but hard work to get anyway.

I was specifically responding to the part where it is claimed that Tesla
said EM is a myth. *I feel quite safe, thanks.
Nikola Tesla wrote: " I showed that the universal medium is a gaseous body

in which only longitudinal pulses can be propagated, involving alternating
compressions and expansions similar to those produced by sound waves in the
air. Thus, a wireless transmitter does not propagate Hertz waves, which are
a myth, but sound waves in the ether, behaving in every respect like those
in the air, except that, owing to the great elastic force and extremely
small density of the medium, their speed is that of light."

Bill Baka wrote: "Some of you guys need a 'TRUE' history lesson."

There is also wrote that EM wrote Heaviside not Maxwell.
Maxwell's hypothesis was quite different. There were the molecullar magnetic
vortices. Inside the solenoid were millions of them. They rotate the
polarisation plane. What rotate it in Heaviside EM? Inside the solenoid is
the flux. Any rotation.
In our textbooks is wrote "whats a pity that to teaching was choosen
Heaviside not Ampere".
But Ampere is too sophisticated for students.

So, "I feel quite safe, thanks."
S*

maybe in your 19th century text books, mine has plenty of Ampere in
it. you must remember, those guys were working things out as they
went along, their early writings were likely replaced by later ones
that changed with improved observations that disproved what they
thought at first. and then many things changed after the michaelson-
morley experiment dispelled the last believers in aether. so unless
you are studying things after that you are likely reading outdated and
well disproved early theories.

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"tom" wrote
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On 8/5/2010 7:37 PM, Bill Baka wrote:
On 08/05/2010 05:13 PM, tom wrote:
On 8/5/2010 2:38 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Tesla wrote in XX century that EM is a myth. I simply agree with him.
Tell me then who know better how the radio works: Tesla or you?
Me.

I hate to break in on private arguments, but Tesla was one of the
smartest people to ever walk this earth. Are You?
He invented Radio, but Marconi took the credit, using at least 6 of
Tesla's patents.
I can rant on Edison and Daguerre, but that gets long.
Some of you guys need a 'TRUE' history lesson.

Bill Baka, Listener only, since I rent these days.
Had a 1st Class Radiotelephone with Marine RADAR, P1-12-24966,
but gave it up some years back when they decided to do away with the
first class distinction.

Different numbers, but hard work to get anyway.

I was specifically responding to the part where it is claimed that Tesla
said EM is a myth. I feel quite safe, thanks.

Nikola Tesla wrote: " I showed that the universal medium is a gaseous body
in which only longitudinal pulses can be propagated, involving alternating
compressions and expansions similar to those produced by sound waves in the
air. Thus, a wireless transmitter does not propagate Hertz waves, which are
a myth, but sound waves in the ether, behaving in every respect like those
in the air, except that, owing to the great elastic force and extremely
small density of the medium, their speed is that of light."

And close to 100 years worth of experimental testing say Tesla was wrong, get
over it.



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"K1TTT" wrote
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On Aug 5, 7:55 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

The simplest dipole is made from a transmission cable. It is enough to
stretch the wires in the oppsite directions (like arms).
There no junctions.

Which part is the hottest?:
-Transmission cable,
-The first part of the arm,
-The end of the arm.
S*

i know better than whatever you think you understand of tesla's work,
and also have at least 60 years of research after he died to support
it. the first part of the arm is hottest, just like the center part
of the dipole that is not heated due to a bad connection... maybe you
make bad connections to dipoles, i don't!

Michaels answer was the best: "Aside from analysis, has anyone measured this
effect?

Is it to be expected in highly efficent antennas, or just inneficient
ones in which there is substantial heating already?

I have found that ice (hoar-frost) and rain do not disturbs radiating. But
the ice-water strongly. The ice-water is in a moment when the hoar-frost is
melting and in the pores is water (normally is air).

It is agreement with: " "In fact, most dipolar solids exhibit extremely
small dielectric losses since W tends to be extremely large. Water-free ice,
for example does not heat significantly under microwave irradiation."

I have found also that the temperature is measured for antennas for
annimals. The temperature rise must be below 15C. Of course they know the
details.

So no additional questions from me.
S*

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"K1TTT" wrote
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On Aug 6, 7:42 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

In our textbooks is wrote "whats a pity that to teaching was choosen
Heaviside not Ampere".
But Ampere is too sophisticated for students.

So, "I feel quite safe, thanks."

maybe in your 19th century text books, mine has plenty of Ampere in
it. you must remember, those guys were working things out as they
went along, their early writings were likely replaced by later ones
that changed with improved observations that disproved what they
thought at first.

Ampere, Gauss, Weber, Maxwell are too difficult for student.

and then many things changed after the michaelson-
morley experiment dispelled the last believers in aether.

MMX proved that no motionless solid ether. Such was necessary for the
transverse waves.

so unless
you are studying things after that you are likely reading outdated and
well disproved early theories.

Now is the plasma physics: "Waves in plasmas can be classified as
electromagnetic or electrostatic according to whether or not there is an
oscillating magnetic field. Applying Faraday's law of induction to plane
waves, we find , implying that an electrostatic wave must be purely
longitudinal. An electromagnetic wave, in contrast, must have a transverse
component, but may also be partially longitudinal"

For Tesla ether is: "but sound waves in the ether, behaving in every respect
like those
in the air, except that, owing to the great elastic force and extremely
small density of the medium, their speed is that of light."

For Dirac it was an electrons see.

Now we know that in the electron see are the positive ions, So the plasma is
neutral.

As you see people step by step go ahead. Only you are standing in the
Heaviside's water (hydraulic analogy).
S*

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wrote ...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Nikola Tesla wrote: " I showed that the universal medium is a gaseous
body
in which only longitudinal pulses can be propagated, involving
alternating
compressions and expansions similar to those produced by sound waves in
the
air. Thus, a wireless transmitter does not propagate Hertz waves, which
are
a myth, but sound waves in the ether, behaving in every respect like
those
in the air, except that, owing to the great elastic force and extremely
small density of the medium, their speed is that of light."

And close to 100 years worth of experimental testing say Tesla was wrong,
get
over it.

Tesla like Ampere are not in the teaching program.
Teaching programs are written by Ministry of Education.
Not all is in the teaching programs.

Up to now I have never seen opinion that Ampere and Tesla was wrong.
Remember that all scientists discard the Maxwell's hypothesis.

Heavisde made the EM.:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Electr..._moving_charge
But he wrote: " I must, however, disagree with Prof. Thomson's assumption
that the motion must be irrotational. It would appear, by the above, that
this limitation is unnecessary."

The magnetic whirl was born. Teachers like it. They can write divrot H = 0.
It seems that you also like it.
S*

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On Aug 7, 7:44*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ...
On Aug 6, 7:42 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



In our textbooks is wrote "whats a pity that to teaching was choosen
Heaviside not Ampere".
But Ampere is too sophisticated for students.

So, "I feel quite safe, thanks."
maybe in your 19th century text books, mine has plenty of Ampere in

it. *you must remember, those guys were working things out as they
went along, their early writings were likely replaced by later ones
that changed with improved observations that disproved what they
thought at first.

Ampere, Gauss, Weber, Maxwell are too difficult for student.

they are not hard they are the basis of teaching modern
electromagnetics. Any introductory electromagnetics course uses their
stuff. if they are too hard for you that explains why you have all
those strange ideas, you are stuck 100 years ago with outdated over
simplified theories that have been disproved many times.

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On Aug 7, 7:44*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ...
On Aug 6, 7:42 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



In our textbooks is wrote "whats a pity that to teaching was choosen
Heaviside not Ampere".
But Ampere is too sophisticated for students.

So, "I feel quite safe, thanks."
maybe in your 19th century text books, mine has plenty of Ampere in

it. *you must remember, those guys were working things out as they
went along, their early writings were likely replaced by later ones
that changed with improved observations that disproved what they
thought at first.

Ampere, Gauss, Weber, Maxwell are too difficult for student.

they are not hard they are the basis of teaching modern
electromagnetics. Any introductory electromagnetics course uses their
stuff. if they are too hard for you that explains why you have all
those strange ideas, you are stuck 100 years ago with outdated over
simplified theories that have been disproved many times.

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Ampere, Gauss, Weber, Maxwell are too difficult for student.

A lot of college students would disagree with you.

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