On Aug 30, 11:39*am, Michael Coslo wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
On Aug 28, 3:26 pm, Art Unwin wrote:
Whoa!You are talking apples and oranges.

Of course, but apples and oranges are both particles. The old masters
were correct about the aether consisting of particles - they were just
wrong about the nature of the particles.

If someone hits you in the head with a frozen apple or a frozen orange
in the dark on a winter night, it is difficult to tell the difference.
Quantum physics has turned on the light.

You people are all barking up the wrong tree. Phlogiston theory is where
it is at. Everything since then is nothing but gobbldygook. Including
that Johnny come lately, *Aether theory.

-73 de Mike N3LI -

Mike as I understand it Aether theory started with the motion that if
two mediums meet then a electron
can pass thru both mediums OR travel between two mediums. I suppose
you can look at the Universe that way starting

and then going thru a progression of different mediums until you come
to the end or the last medium. If you put together two pieces of glass
in sandwich fashion a electron, say light, may travel thru both pieces
of glass AND/OR along the path
between the two pieces of glass.
Thus the exercise starts with Earth itself and then one determines the
next medium and so on until one reaches the outer Galaxy. Now in a
particular case scientists came across a dilemma where a path of light
existed parallel to a medium but they could not determine exactly what
the next medium was. Thus was brought forward the term Aether
as a stop gap term until the medium could be truely determined.

On Aug 30, 12:57*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
Thus the exercise starts with Earth itself and then one determines the
next medium and so on until one reaches the outer Galaxy.

Visible energy/matter can occupy the same space as dark energy/matter,
much like solid salt and water can occupy the same space. Just as the
salt contributes to the mass contained in the water, visible mass
contributes to the mass occupied by dark matter.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

On Aug 30, 2:35*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
On Aug 30, 12:57*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

Thus the exercise starts with Earth itself and then one determines the
next medium and so on until one reaches the outer Galaxy.

Visible energy/matter can occupy the same space as dark energy/matter,
much like solid salt and water can occupy the same space. Just as the
salt contributes to the mass contained in the water, visible mass
contributes to the mass occupied by dark matter.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Since you are so familiar with the concept why not start from Earth
with a progression until you get to Aether. I don't think you will get
to your favorite "dark matter" For that matter explain what a "medium"
is in physics terms.

On Aug 30, 5:22*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
Since you are so familiar with the concept why not start from Earth
with a progression until you get to Aether. I don't think you will get
to your favorite "dark matter" For that matter explain what a "medium"
is in physics terms.

Art, you don't seem to understand that there is a quantum base medium
to which some other medium may or may not be added. The base medium
exists throughout all of universal space and is the only medium that
exists in otherwise empty space. Any other added medium, e.g. air or
water, is just mixed with that base medium. Please stop thinking with
a concrete brain.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

On Aug 30, 6:06*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
On Aug 30, 5:22*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

Since you are so familiar with the concept why not start from Earth
with a progression until you get to Aether. I don't think you will get
to your favorite "dark matter" For that matter explain what a "medium"
is in physics terms.

Art, you don't seem to understand that there is a quantum base medium
to which some other medium may or may not be added. The base medium
exists throughout all of universal space and is the only medium that
exists in otherwise empty space. Any other added medium, e.g. air or
water, is just mixed with that base medium. Please stop thinking with
a concrete brain.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Concrete brain ! What are you referring to ?
Frankly I just do not understand your response.

On Aug 30, 11:39*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Aug 30, 6:06*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:

On Aug 30, 5:22*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

Since you are so familiar with the concept why not start from Earth
with a progression until you get to Aether. I don't think you will get
to your favorite "dark matter" For that matter explain what a "medium"
is in physics terms.

Art, you don't seem to understand that there is a quantum base medium
to which some other medium may or may not be added. The base medium
exists throughout all of universal space and is the only medium that
exists in otherwise empty space. Any other added medium, e.g. air or
water, is just mixed with that base medium. Please stop thinking with
a concrete brain.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Concrete brain ! What are you referring to ?
Frankly I just do not understand your response.

he's telling you that you are right but you are just so smart that you
can't understand your own solution!

On 8/30/2010 4:39 PM, Art Unwin wrote:
...

Simply put, the ether has been in existence before God ... well, wait,
they may cause a big debate ... change that to, "... in existence since
God." ROFLOL

Regards,
JS

On Aug 30, 6:39*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
Frankly I just do not understand your response.

Outside of the space-volume of the universe, there is no structure.
Inside the space-volume of the universe, there is an invisible quantum
structure everywhere. You live and function within that structure
without being aware of it. That quantum structure may or may not
contain visible matter/energy which can modify the electromagnetic
characteristics of the medium, but does NOT replace the quantum
structure as you appear to think. The quantum structure is the
container of everything that exists. Nothing exists outside of the
container (unless there are more unconnected containers somewhere
else).

Air, water, or earth does not displace the quantum structure but
gravity can warp it, e.g. black holes. Everything that exists in our
universe is contained within the invisible quantum structure which
appears to consist of dark matter interacting with dark energy. It is
believed that the pressure of the dark energy is overwhelming gravity
and is causing the expansion of the universe.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

On Aug 31, 6:50*am, Cecil Moore wrote:
On Aug 30, 6:39*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

Frankly I just do not understand your response.

Outside of the space-volume of the universe, there is no structure.
Inside the space-volume of the universe, there is an invisible quantum
structure everywhere. You live and function within that structure
without being aware of it. That quantum structure may or may not
contain visible matter/energy which can modify the electromagnetic
characteristics of the medium, but does NOT replace the quantum
structure as you appear to think. The quantum structure is the
container of everything that exists. Nothing exists outside of the
container (unless there are more unconnected containers somewhere
else).

Air, water, or earth does not displace the quantum structure but
gravity can warp it, e.g. black holes. Everything that exists in our
universe is contained within the invisible quantum structure which
appears to consist of dark matter interacting with dark energy. It is
believed that the pressure of the dark energy is overwhelming gravity
and is causing the expansion of the universe.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com
Cecil as I stated before a electron can travel thru
two mediums OR along the path between the two mediums. The presence of
surface wave of propagation points to another medium whether it be
between Earth and the atmosphere OR the atmosphere is a medium itself.
It is because of this
electron travel along the surface of Earth that scientists come to the
conclusion that the atmosphere is a medium which they name.
This is not accepted by mainstream but to be fair mainstream has not
named or explained the medium that allowed for over the surface
electron travel.
From my point of view the "missing" medium is a carpet of free
electrons that are bound in a skin as seen on surface tension on water
and it is this skin
or carpet upon Earth is the medium that explains the surface travel of
electrons, a missing medium that satisfies both sides of the puzzle.
Regards
Art

On 8/31/2010 4:50 AM, Cecil Moore wrote:

...
Outside of the space-volume of the universe, there is no structure.
Inside the space-volume of the universe, there is an invisible quantum
structure everywhere. You live and function within that structure
without being aware of it. That quantum structure may or may not
contain visible matter/energy which can modify the electromagnetic
characteristics of the medium, but does NOT replace the quantum
structure as you appear to think. The quantum structure is the
container of everything that exists. Nothing exists outside of the
container (unless there are more unconnected containers somewhere
else).

Air, water, or earth does not displace the quantum structure but
gravity can warp it, e.g. black holes. Everything that exists in our
universe is contained within the invisible quantum structure which
appears to consist of dark matter interacting with dark energy. It is
believed that the pressure of the dark energy is overwhelming gravity
and is causing the expansion of the universe.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Beautiful, Morpheus, when he explains the Matrix, to Neo, could have
done no better ... ROFLOL

Regards,
JS