On Sep 2, 12:34*pm, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:54:01 -0700 (PDT), Art Unwin

wrote:
No John I am not jewish!

Thank God. *For a moment, I was worried.

One thing that
was also written at the time that only a few jewish people continued
on the journey while the majority
stayed enjoying their former bad ways.

Sorta. *The old testament says (somewhere) that about 600,000 left
Egypt. *No clue how many followed Moses into the desert as most just
wanted to leave the scene of the disaster (10 plagues). *40 years
later, about 25,000 entered the promised land with Joshua. *Most of
the 40 years was probably spend building and training an army, so
there must have been a major reduction in followers in the desert. The
actual numbers are highly debatable.

As for "bad ways", that's also debatable. *For example, what's the
difference between a bribe and a commission? *The only difference is
when it's paid. *A bribe in advance, a commission after. *In most
middle east cultures, bribes are necessary to secure ones profit.
Anyone taking a commission is usually deemed a fool. *Yet, western
culture defines taking a bribe as evil, and a commission as desirable.
So, who's acting badly, and from who's perspective?

These were not receipients of
the "promise" so what is going to happen to them when they lose out on
judgement day?

Same as what we do today.... bribe the judge and pay off his cronies.

--
Jeff Liebermann * *
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Santa Cruz CA 95060http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann * * AE6KS * *831-336-2558

Hmmm
Then it would appear that the promised land was only given to less
than 10% of those that left in the first place! Maybe Gaza will be
large enough for those that followed thru. Grin. I would imagine that
decimation could avoid that strip of coastal area.
Maybe agreement will come after all, but not this or the next time
around as Israel has not stopped gaining ground.

On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 12:14:57 -0700 (PDT), Art Unwin
wrote:

Then it would appear that the promised land was only given to less
than 10% of those that left in the first place!

We claimed abandonment by the other interested parties.

While enforcing a 3000 year old land claim might seem a bit odd, we do
have some of the best documented evidence (i.e. the Old and New
Testaments) which have stood up in the courts for at least 2000 years.
The only problems have been when deconstructionist academics and movie
producers attempt to reverse engineer the intent of God. This might
have succeeded had they been successful at issuing a subpoena asking
for explanations and corroboration of the land claim.

Maybe Gaza will be
large enough for those that followed thru. Grin. I would imagine that
decimation could avoid that strip of coastal area.

Decimation means 1 out of 10. That's been deemed politically
inexpedient after the Romans tried it, and found it useless. These
days, we just build a wall down the center of the country.

Maybe agreement will come after all, but not this or the next time
around as Israel has not stopped gaining ground.

Agreement has always been easy. Keeping the agreements has been the
main problem. It isn't just the Arabs. We have the same problem. Get
10 Jews together to form a minion, and instead of agreement, we have
an argument. It's a miracle that we've gotten this far, being so
screwed up, but that's just evidence that God is on our side.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Sep 2, 2:14*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Sep 2, 12:34*pm, Jeff Liebermann wrote:



On Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:54:01 -0700 (PDT), Art Unwin

wrote:
No John I am not jewish!

Thank God. *For a moment, I was worried.

One thing that
was also written at the time that only a few jewish people continued
on the journey while the majority
stayed enjoying their former bad ways.

Sorta. *The old testament says (somewhere) that about 600,000 left
Egypt. *No clue how many followed Moses into the desert as most just
wanted to leave the scene of the disaster (10 plagues). *40 years
later, about 25,000 entered the promised land with Joshua. *Most of
the 40 years was probably spend building and training an army, so
there must have been a major reduction in followers in the desert. The
actual numbers are highly debatable.

As for "bad ways", that's also debatable. *For example, what's the
difference between a bribe and a commission? *The only difference is
when it's paid. *A bribe in advance, a commission after. *In most
middle east cultures, bribes are necessary to secure ones profit.
Anyone taking a commission is usually deemed a fool. *Yet, western
culture defines taking a bribe as evil, and a commission as desirable.
So, who's acting badly, and from who's perspective?

These were not receipients of
the "promise" so what is going to happen to them when they lose out on
judgement day?

Same as what we do today.... bribe the judge and pay off his cronies.

--
Jeff Liebermann * *
150 Felker St #D * *http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann * * AE6KS * *831-336-2558

Hmmm
Then it would appear that the promised land was only given to less
than 10% of those that left in the first place! Maybe Gaza will be
large enough for those that followed thru. Grin. I would imagine that
decimation could avoid that strip of coastal area.
Maybe agreement will come after all, but not this or the next time
around as Israel has not stopped gaining ground.

Non jews in Israel will never accept expulsion to the
new palestinian State in Gaza so that the land of Israel can be
totally segregated and jewish. Yet until that happens the opening of
the heavens cannot happen without involving the destruction of non
jews!
A predicament has been written!

On Sep 3, 8:34*am, Art Unwin wrote:


Non jews in Israel will never accept expulsion to the
new palestinian State in Gaza so that the land of Israel can be
totally segregated and jewish. Yet until that happens the opening of
the heavens cannot happen without involving the destruction of non
jews!
A predicament has been written!

You are confused, again, Art. The promise was to the Hebrew people,
not the "Jews". Very few of the "Jews" in Israel today are Hebrew.

Paul

On Sep 3, 10:52*am, " wrote:
On Sep 3, 8:34*am, Art Unwin wrote:



Non jews in Israel will never accept expulsion to the
new palestinian State in Gaza so that the land of Israel can be
totally segregated and jewish. Yet until that happens the opening of
the heavens cannot happen without involving the destruction of non
jews!
A predicament has been written!

You are confused, again, Art. The promise was to the Hebrew people,
not the "Jews". Very few of the "Jews" in Israel today are Hebrew.

Paul

Why thank you for that titbit! I had never heard that before today.
Maybe I should back off and go back to physics where I can give
titbits to others and fill in their gaps of knowledge
Regards
Art

wrote:
You are confused, again, Art. The promise was to the Hebrew people,
not the "Jews". Very few of the "Jews" in Israel today are Hebrew.

There is DNA evidence to the contrary:

http://reformjudaismmag.org/Articles/index.cfm?id=1321

Geoff.
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