On Oct 18, 2:44*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Photons are the math joke.

:-) ... he says as photons impacting his retina allow him to read the
postings and see his keyboard.
--
Cecil, w5dxp.com

"Cecil Moore" wrote
...
On Oct 18, 2:44 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Photons are the math joke.

:-) ... he says as photons impacting his retina allow him to read the
postings and see his keyboard.

Light is not coherent. It is "produced" in the packets (photons). But the
radio waves and the radiation from the "free electron laser" are coherent.
When the photons start and when finish?
S*

On Oct 18, 7:44*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Uzytkownik "Cecil Moore" napisal w ...
On Oct 17, 11:06 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

"Exactly how much horizontal movement can there be in the free electrons
when the electric wave is moving at 300000 km/h?
Already answered earlier in this thread. For HF frequencies, the

horizontal movement of the electrons is minuscule and they can be
considered to be oscillating in place.

Waves are described in the two method: " More generally, the Stokes drift
velocity is the difference between the
*average Lagrangian flow velocity of a fluid parcel, and the average
Eulerian *flow velocity of the fluid at a fixed position. This nonlinear
phenomenon *is *named after George Gabriel Stokes, who derived expressions
for this drift *in *his 1847 study of water waves."

It is the photons that move at the speed of light.

Photons are the math joke.
Electric waves in a medium made of electrons move at the speed of light.
S*

the waves are photons, or the photons are waves, either way they move
at the speed of light, the electrons do not move at the speed of light.

On 10/18/2010 2:37 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

The vector calculus describe only movements.

Really? I did not know that.

Crap. And argh.

I thought it was more useful than that.

Who knew?

tom
K0TAR

On 10/18/2010 2:44 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Uzytkownik "Cecil napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Oct 17, 11:06 am, "Szczepan wrote:
"Exactly how much horizontal movement can there be in the free electrons
when the electric wave is moving at 300000 km/h?

Already answered earlier in this thread. For HF frequencies, the
horizontal movement of the electrons is minuscule and they can be
considered to be oscillating in place.

Waves are described in the two method: " More generally, the Stokes drift
velocity is the difference between the
average Lagrangian flow velocity of a fluid parcel, and the average
Eulerian flow velocity of the fluid at a fixed position. This nonlinear
phenomenon is named after George Gabriel Stokes, who derived expressions
for this drift in his 1847 study of water waves."

It is the photons that move at the speed of light.

Photons are the math joke.
Electric waves in a medium made of electrons move at the speed of light.
S*



One thing I'm wondering. In your world, how does the energy jump from
electron to electron? And try to make some sort of sense for once. Please.

tom
K0TAR

On 10/18/2010 11:46 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
"Cecil wrote
...
On Oct 18, 2:44 am, "Szczepan wrote:
Photons are the math joke.

:-) ... he says as photons impacting his retina allow him to read the
postings and see his keyboard.

Light is not coherent. It is "produced" in the packets (photons). But the
radio waves and the radiation from the "free electron laser" are coherent.
When the photons start and when finish?
S*



Where did Cecil mention "coherence"?

tom
K0TAR

On 10/18/2010 2:44 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Uzytkownik "Cecil napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Oct 17, 11:06 am, "Szczepan wrote:
"Exactly how much horizontal movement can there be in the free electrons
when the electric wave is moving at 300000 km/h?

Already answered earlier in this thread. For HF frequencies, the
horizontal movement of the electrons is minuscule and they can be
considered to be oscillating in place.

Waves are described in the two method: " More generally, the Stokes drift
velocity is the difference between the
average Lagrangian flow velocity of a fluid parcel, and the average
Eulerian flow velocity of the fluid at a fixed position. This nonlinear
phenomenon is named after George Gabriel Stokes, who derived expressions
for this drift in his 1847 study of water waves."

It is the photons that move at the speed of light.

Photons are the math joke.
Electric waves in a medium made of electrons move at the speed of light.
S*



Another couple questions. Should be easy answers for you.

Since your model supposes that the "plasma" carries the signal, what
does the model predict as the radiation resistance of a dipole in free
space?

Given your model, which you have spoken about at some length but no
depth, why wouldn't your predicted radiation resistance change with
plasma density, contrary to all measurements ever made?

tom
K0TAR

"tom" wrote
. net...
On 10/18/2010 11:46 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
"Cecil wrote
...
On Oct 18, 2:44 am, "Szczepan wrote:
Photons are the math joke.

:-) ... he says as photons impacting his retina allow him to read the
postings and see his keyboard.

Light is not coherent. It is "produced" in the packets (photons). But the
radio waves and the radiation from the "free electron laser" are
coherent.
When the photons start and when finish?
S*

Where did Cecil mention "coherence"?

Photons and incoherence are the same. "In 1900, Max Planck was working on
black-body radiation and suggested that the energy in electromagnetic waves
could only be released in "packets" of energy".

In a black body is many dipoles which work with brakes. In radio a dipole
(or monopole) works continously.
S*

"tom" wrote
. net...
On 10/18/2010 2:44 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Waves are described in the two method: " More generally, the Stokes drift
velocity is the difference between the
average Lagrangian flow velocity of a fluid parcel, and the average
Eulerian flow velocity of the fluid at a fixed position. This nonlinear
phenomenon is named after George Gabriel Stokes, who derived
expressions
for this drift in his 1847 study of water waves."

It is the photons that move at the speed of light.

Photons are the math joke.
Electric waves in a medium made of electrons move at the speed of light.
S*

One thing I'm wondering. In your world, how does the energy jump from
electron to electron? And try to make some sort of sense for once.
Please.

They have the kinetic energy. "the energy jump from electron to electron"
by collisions.

It is a full analogy with the acoustic waves. Molecules are the medium for
acoustic and free electrpns for the electric waves.
S*

"tom" wrote
. net...

Electric waves in a medium made of electrons move at the speed of light.

Another couple questions. Should be easy answers for you.

Since your model supposes that the "plasma" carries the signal, what does
the model predict as the radiation resistance of a dipole in free space?

Given your model, which you have spoken about at some length but no depth,
why wouldn't your predicted radiation resistance change with plasma
density, contrary to all measurements ever made?

It is not my model but Tesla's. Probably he was spoken deeper.
You try to marry Heaviside with Tesla. TEM are not longitudinal.
Longitudinal waves have analogy with acoustic waves.
S*


tom
K0TAR