On 11/16/2014 6:10 PM, wrote:

Nothing important.

You obviously have no idea what the chart is showing.

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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/16/2014 6:10 PM, wrote:

Nothing important.

You obviously have no idea what the chart is showing.

So that is your entire technical arguement?

So what, then, is the chart showing if not that as the height of a dipole
decreases from 1/2 wavelength, the main lobe elevation angle increases
until it becomes straight up?



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On 11/16/2014 6:50 PM, wrote:

Noting important.

You can copy/paste charts, but have no understanding as to what they
mean. And trying to carry on a technical discussion with you is a
complete waste of time.

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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/16/2014 6:50 PM, wrote:

Noting important.

You can copy/paste charts, but have no understanding as to what they
mean. And trying to carry on a technical discussion with you is a
complete waste of time.

So where is YOUR technical discussion of the data or is childish
insults all you have?



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On 11/17/2014 11:56 AM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/16/2014 6:50 PM, wrote:

Noting important.

You can copy/paste charts, but have no understanding as to what they
mean. And trying to carry on a technical discussion with you is a
complete waste of time.

So where is YOUR technical discussion of the data or is childish
insults all you have?

This is why this group is suffering. Individually, not because of you,
Jim, nor you Jerry. But, together you both have some kind of need to
insult each other for at least 14 posts. Each of you seem to have the
kind of ego that will not allow the other to have the last word.

By your actions, you run other innocent posters away. What the hell is
wrong with saying, "Ok, you disagree with me. I disagree with you, as
well. So what? Let's get on with the discussion."

You both have technical knowledge to share with those us who have less
knowledge than the two of you. Can't you find a way to help us instead
of fighting?

On 11/17/2014 2:34 PM, John S wrote:
On 11/17/2014 11:56 AM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/16/2014 6:50 PM, wrote:

Noting important.

You can copy/paste charts, but have no understanding as to what they
mean. And trying to carry on a technical discussion with you is a
complete waste of time.

So where is YOUR technical discussion of the data or is childish
insults all you have?

This is why this group is suffering. Individually, not because of you,
Jim, nor you Jerry. But, together you both have some kind of need to
insult each other for at least 14 posts. Each of you seem to have the
kind of ego that will not allow the other to have the last word.

By your actions, you run other innocent posters away. What the hell is
wrong with saying, "Ok, you disagree with me. I disagree with you, as
well. So what? Let's get on with the discussion."

You both have technical knowledge to share with those us who have less
knowledge than the two of you. Can't you find a way to help us instead
of fighting?

John, you're right. I should know better than to try to wrestle with a
pig. It gets both dirty and the pig enjoys it.

I'll stop and let Jim continue to shoot himself in the foot. I just
hope too many newbies don't fall for his crap.

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On Monday, November 17, 2014 3:05:35 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/17/2014 2:34 PM, John S wrote:
On 11/17/2014 11:56 AM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/16/2014 6:50 PM, wrote:

Noting important.

You can copy/paste charts, but have no understanding as to what they
mean. And trying to carry on a technical discussion with you is a
complete waste of time.

So where is YOUR technical discussion of the data or is childish
insults all you have?

This is why this group is suffering. Individually, not because of you,
Jim, nor you Jerry. But, together you both have some kind of need to
insult each other for at least 14 posts. Each of you seem to have the
kind of ego that will not allow the other to have the last word.

By your actions, you run other innocent posters away. What the hell is
wrong with saying, "Ok, you disagree with me. I disagree with you, as
well. So what? Let's get on with the discussion."

You both have technical knowledge to share with those us who have less
knowledge than the two of you. Can't you find a way to help us instead
of fighting?

John, you're right. I should know better than to try to wrestle with a
pig. It gets both dirty and the pig enjoys it.

I'll stop and let Jim continue to shoot himself in the foot. I just
hope too many newbies don't fall for his crap.

I don't see where he's shot himself in the foot. Maybe leaning towards
a DXers point of view as far as the desired pattern he'd like to see at
first, but other than that, I don't see any real problems with anything
else he has posted.

And I agree that you can work DX fairly well with a low 80m dipole,
as I've done it several times, but it is true that a higher dipole will
be much better as far as the lower angles.
I still think a good vertical is overall the best for DX myself..
On 40m, my elevated full size ground plane used to tear my 40 ft high
dipole a new one on paths to VK and such. Even my mobile antenna was
better for DX vs that dipole.. And much the same would happen on 80m,
and 160m for that matter.

On 17/11/2014 19:34, John S wrote:
This is why this group is suffering. Individually, not because of you,
Jim, nor you Jerry. But, together you both have some kind of need to
insult each other for at least 14 posts. Each of you seem to have the
kind of ego that will not allow the other to have the last word.

By your actions, you run other innocent posters away. What the hell is
wrong with saying, "Ok, you disagree with me. I disagree with you, as
well. So what? Let's get on with the discussion."

You both have technical knowledge to share with those us who have less
knowledge than the two of you. Can't you find a way to help us instead
of fighting?

You should see uk.radio.amateur -- it's like a cesspit of weirdos all
accusing each other of everything from simple lack of technical
knowledge up to child molestation.

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To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address.

Brian Gregory wrote:
On 17/11/2014 19:34, John S wrote:
This is why this group is suffering. Individually, not because of you,
Jim, nor you Jerry. But, together you both have some kind of need to
insult each other for at least 14 posts. Each of you seem to have the
kind of ego that will not allow the other to have the last word.

By your actions, you run other innocent posters away. What the hell is
wrong with saying, "Ok, you disagree with me. I disagree with you, as
well. So what? Let's get on with the discussion."

You both have technical knowledge to share with those us who have less
knowledge than the two of you. Can't you find a way to help us instead
of fighting?

You should see uk.radio.amateur -- it's like a cesspit of weirdos all
accusing each other of everything from simple lack of technical knowledge
up to child molestation.

Which is why there's a CFV open in uk.net.news.config to create a moderated
version where such madness cannot take root.

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Stephen Thomas Cole // Sent from my iPhone

On 2/12/2014 10:07 AM, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 17/11/2014 19:34, John S wrote:
This is why this group is suffering. Individually, not because of you,
Jim, nor you Jerry. But, together you both have some kind of need to
insult each other for at least 14 posts. Each of you seem to have the
kind of ego that will not allow the other to have the last word.

By your actions, you run other innocent posters away. What the hell is
wrong with saying, "Ok, you disagree with me. I disagree with you, as
well. So what? Let's get on with the discussion."

You both have technical knowledge to share with those us who have less
knowledge than the two of you. Can't you find a way to help us instead
of fighting?

You should see uk.radio.amateur -- it's like a cesspit of weirdos all
accusing each other of everything from simple lack of technical
knowledge up to child molestation.

The degree of discourse and the manner of presentation in that group
might well be a social malady regarding the population of the island
and specific social ineptitude .

not that there is anything wrong with that (sic)