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On Sat, 05 Dec 2015 12:30:27 +0000, Phil Kyle
wrote:
On 05/12/15 12:16, Jimbo in the Borders ... wrote:
I admit it ....I wasn't beat up ...
I suggest ignoring Gareth for the rest of Dec. Not crowing about
shunning, or talking around him, just plain ignoring his posts.
December? When will the otherwise smart people here stop feeding Evens by
letting him draw them into useless discussions designed to illicit
responses? I
long ago kill filed him, why don't others do the same? He clearly has
nothing to
contribute to rra.antenna, kill filing, or simply ignoring him will go a
long
way to eliminating the problem troll. Enough is enough already.
Bob KB2ZGN

ITYM "elicit", and I am sad to see that you are another who has decided to
side with the
gratuitous abusers. As always, there is none so blind as he who will not
see.

From your own gratuitous abuse above, I take it that you are a
CBer-masquerading-as-a-radio-ham,
and to help you to understand the difference, I append my FAQ ...

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Q. What is Ham Radio?

A. Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for those who
are interested in the science of radio wave
propagation and who are also interested in the
way that their radios function. It has a long-standing
tradition of providing a source of engineers who
are born naturals.

Ham Radio awakens in its aficionados a whole-life
fascination with all things technical and gives
an all-abiding curiosity to improve one's scientific
knowledge. It's a great swimming pool, please dive in!

This excitement causes a wish to share the experience
with ones fellow man, and shows itself in the
gentlemanly traditions of Ham Radio.

Radio Hams are in a unique privileged position in that
they can construct and operate their own equipment! No-one
else has this privilege. Users, such as broadcasters,
the po lice and armed farces, CBers and mobile phone
users have to purchase ready-made gear. Manufacturers
are not licensed to operate their gear. Radio Hams
are qualified to design, build and then
operate their own pieces of equipment. They do this
with gusto, and also repair and modify their own
equipment. This is a privilege well worth the effort
to gain, and one to be jealously guarded.

The excitement that drives a Radio Ham starts with
relatively simple technologies at first, perhaps making
his own Wimshurst machine and primary cells. Small pieces
of test equipment follow, possibly multimeters and signal
generators. Then comes receivers and transmitters. It is with
the latter that communication with like-minded technically
motivated people takes off. The scope for technical
development grows with the years and now encompasses DSP
and DDS. There is also a great deal
of excitement in the areas of computer programming to
be learnt and applied.

The technical excitement motivates Radio Hams to compete
with each other to determine who has designed and manufactured
the best-quality station. This competitiveness is found in DXing,
competitions and fox-hunts.

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However, beware! A Ham Radio licence is such a
desirable thing to have that there are large
numbers of people who wish to be thought of
as Radio Hams when, in fact, they are nothing
of the kind! Usually such people are a
variation of the CB Radio hobbyist; they buy their
radios off the shelf and send them back to be
repaired; they are not interested in technical discussion
and sneer at those who are; they have no idea how
their radios work inside and have no wish to find out;
they are free with rather silly personal insults.


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One infallible way to disambiguate the CB Radio Hobbyist
from the _REAL_ Radio Ham is to solicit their view of the
difference between CB Radio and Ham Radio. A Radio Ham will
perceive Ham Radio to be a technical pursuit and will
perceive CB Radio to be a social communications facility
no different in essence to a land-line telephone or a
GSM mobile in the hands of a 6-year-old. Thus a Radio Ham
could also use a CB set safe in the knowledge that
such use says no more about him than having a land-line
telephone, whilst continuing to regard Ham Radio as a separate
technical pursuit.

A CB Radio hobbyist, on the other hand, sees no difference between
Ham Radio and CB Radio. To him, they are
sisters-under-the-skin. Wrongly, the CB Radio Hobbyist then
tries to classify himself as the equal of the Radio
Ham when, in fact, he is nothing of the kind.

Ham Radio is not CB Radio and has no common ground with it!
Ham Radio is _THE_ technical pursuit for gentlemen; CB Radio
is the name for the operating hobby for those who buy their
rigs and equipment off the shelf.

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If you are the sort of person who is motivated by
a technical interest in how things work; if you took apart
malfunctioning clocks, toasters and the like and put them
right despite never having seen them working, then
a Ham Radio licence is your traditional route! There has
never been a shortage of such people, and those who gravitate
towards such an interest have always been welcomed into
our shacks and their interests fostered. There is not today,
nor has there ever been, a need to go out and encourage
and press children, children who have never expressed an
interest in Ham Radio, to come into our shacks. Such an
activity should cause eyebrows to be raised - what
normal well-adjusted adults seek the social acquaintance
of children?!

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Please remember that this FAQ is a _POSITIVE EXHORTATION_
to you to exert yourselves to join our fraternity!

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015 23:42:55 -0000, "gareth"
wrote:

From your own gratuitous abuse above, I take it that you are a
CBer-masquerading-as-a-radio-ham,
and to help you to understand the difference, I append my FAQ ...

So much for burning bridges behind you. I suggest you not set fire to
the bridge that you're standing upon.

I got my start in radio as a CB operator. Most of my ham radio
friends in high skool were also CB operators. That's because we could
afford a CB radio or the 1960's, but not ham radios of the day. I
tried to build my own, but lacked the time and expertise. I settled
for converting old mobile FM radios and repeaters into a workable
communications system. Circa 1965:
http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/Old%20Repeaters/slides/wb6eep-01.html
Had it not been for CB, I would not have been able to get a start in
radio of any type.

More recently, some of the best volunteers for events and emergency
operations came from the CB sector. When looking in the mirror, don't
assume that you're seeing the entire world. Ham radio is a very big
hobby, with room for contesting, DX, experimentation, EME, antennas,
chatting, emergency services, public service, message passing, and
whatever else you can devise within the rules and regulations. Each
area comes and goes as the times change. Were ham radio limited to
being only a technical hobby, it would have died long ago.



--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558