If you really must disrupt these NGs with page after page of unnecessary
and gratuitous abuse, abuse which is largely confabulated and
entirely false, then please at least have the decency to acknowledge
that the fault lies in your own personality for your own atrocious behaviour
and your own need for attention and do not try to justify the unjustifiable
by confabulating that the victim of your spleen is seeking that abuse.

Amateur radio has twin traditions of gentlemanly conduct and technical
motivation and you would do well to recognise that.

"gareth" wrote in message
...
If you really must disrupt these NGs with page after page of unnecessary
and gratuitous abuse, abuse which is largely confabulated and
entirely false, then please at least have the decency to acknowledge
that the fault lies in your own personality for your own atrocious
behaviour
and your own need for attention and do not try to justify the
unjustifiable
by confabulating that the victim of your spleen is seeking that abuse.

Amateur radio has twin traditions of gentlemanly conduct and technical
motivation and you would do well to recognise that.





I admit it ....I wasn't beat up ...

On 05/12/15 12:16, Jimbo in the Borders ... wrote:

I admit it ....I wasn't beat up ...


I suggest ignoring Gareth for the rest of Dec. Not crowing about
shunning, or talking around him, just plain ignoring his posts.

"Phil Kyle" wrote in message
web.com...
On 05/12/15 12:16, Jimbo in the Borders ... wrote:

I admit it ....I wasn't beat up ...


I suggest ignoring Gareth for the rest of Dec. Not crowing about shunning,
or talking around him, just plain ignoring his posts.

why?...

"gareth" wrote in message
...
If you really must disrupt these NGs with page after page of unnecessary
and gratuitous abuse, abuse which is largely confabulated and
entirely false, then please at least have the decency to acknowledge
that the fault lies in your own personality for your own atrocious
behaviour
and your own need for attention and do not try to justify the
unjustifiable
by confabulating that the victim of your spleen is seeking that abuse.

Amateur radio has twin traditions of gentlemanly conduct and technical
motivation and you would do well to recognise that.


Some say talking to yourself is the first sign of madness, old Bean.
--
;-)
..
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
..
http://turner-smith.uk

On 05/12/15 12:32, Jimbo in the Borders ... wrote:
"Phil Kyle" wrote in message
web.com...
On 05/12/15 12:16, Jimbo in the Borders ... wrote:

I admit it ....I wasn't beat up ...


I suggest ignoring Gareth for the rest of Dec. Not crowing about shunning,
or talking around him, just plain ignoring his posts.

why?...


Because he's shown time and time again that he's unwilling to listen to
reason, so any reply just gives him an excuse to post even more
hysterical nonsense. I don't think that he's as technically inept as he
like us to believe - he only posts his bizarre theories because he knows
that a number of people can't resist correcting them¹ which does nothing
to educate him and just gives him a reason to squeal "abuse".


¹ https://xkcd.com/386/

On 05/12/15 15:07, Phil Kyle wrote:
On 05/12/15 12:32, Jimbo in the Borders ... wrote:
"Phil Kyle" wrote in message
web.com...
On 05/12/15 12:16, Jimbo in the Borders ... wrote:

I admit it ....I wasn't beat up ...


I suggest ignoring Gareth for the rest of Dec. Not crowing about
shunning,
or talking around him, just plain ignoring his posts.

why?...


Because he's shown time and time again that he's unwilling to listen to
reason, so any reply just gives him an excuse to post even more
hysterical nonsense. I don't think that he's as technically inept as he
like us to believe


The evidence doesn't support that.


- he only posts his bizarre theories because he knows
that a number of people can't resist correcting them¹ which does nothing
to educate him and just gives him a reason to squeal "abuse".


¹ https://xkcd.com/386/

He will invent abuse even if there is none. It is one of his few skills.


--
Why you should not ignore animal neglect and cruelty:
http://www.caar-uk.org/why.html

On Sat, 5 Dec 2015, Phil Kyle wrote:

On 05/12/15 12:16, Jimbo in the Borders ... wrote:

I admit it ....I wasn't beat up ...


I suggest ignoring Gareth for the rest of Dec. Not crowing about shunning, or
talking around him, just plain ignoring his posts.


YOu could just reply on topic, and then let the conversation go that way,
instead of it always turning to the usual ruckus.

Most threads he starts can be interpreted as on topic, and an excuse to
post something on topic. If others joined in, these places would be
better, but instead the usual crowd comes out and wants to "shun" him.

I've never looked in the UK newsgroup, all I see is when what happens
there falls out to the rec.radio.amateur.* hierarchy. Maybe there is a
real grievance, maybe not, but out here, I see people more interested in
attackhing him than talking about amateur radio.

Michael

On 12/5/2015 10:40 AM, Michael Black wrote:
On Sat, 5 Dec 2015, Phil Kyle wrote:

On 05/12/15 12:16, Jimbo in the Borders ... wrote:

I admit it ....I wasn't beat up ...


I suggest ignoring Gareth for the rest of Dec. Not crowing about
shunning, or talking around him, just plain ignoring his posts.


YOu could just reply on topic, and then let the conversation go that
way, instead of it always turning to the usual ruckus.

Most threads he starts can be interpreted as on topic, and an excuse to
post something on topic. If others joined in, these places would be
better, but instead the usual crowd comes out and wants to "shun" him.

I've never looked in the UK newsgroup, all I see is when what happens
there falls out to the rec.radio.amateur.* hierarchy. Maybe there is a
real grievance, maybe not, but out here, I see people more interested in
attackhing him than talking about amateur radio.

Unfortunately there are some who have legitimate gripes with Gareth.
Those who he has sought to harm. They feel compelled to share their
trouble in no small part to warn others how dangerous he can be. They
sometimes post regardless of any bans or shuns.

Then there are others who just can't resist piling on because it is fun.
All in all this group has a very marginal signal to noise ratio.
Sometimes the group is ok, but then a brouhaha will break out and the
group is possessed by demons for a week or two.

Then there is the ongoing discussion of how to deal with him. It also
detracts from the small, but useful technical content of the group. So
many people have opinions they wish to share about how to deal with the
noise level, meanwhile adding to it just as my post has done.

--

Rick

"Michael Black" wrote in message
news:alpine.LNX.2.02.1512051037460.16706@darkstar. example.org...
Most threads he starts can be interpreted as on topic, and an excuse to
post something on topic.

Indeed they are just that, and also a defence by a decent right-thinking
individual
against the infantile and anti-social effluent that comes from so many
others.

I've been a subscriber to uk.radio.amateur for 21 years and am increasingly
concerned
that a cornerstone of amateur radio in Brit is being driven down from its
position as an exemplar of gentlemanly and technical discussion, and so I
try to
fly the flag for those traditions.

As I said elsewhere, 43 years ago I completed an electronics degree,
specialising
in computers and communications, and am now in a position as a retired
engineer
to discuss those things that puzzled me and which were never explained at
the time in the rush to
be able to regurgitate facts in order to pass exams. I have assumed,
possibly wrongly,
that the spirit of enquiry and technical curiosity was what motivated all
radio amateurs.

I'm a great believer that education should deliver understanding as opposed
to training that
only delivers knowledge.

If you had a teenage daughter, which would you prefer her to receive, sex
education or sex training?