rickman wrote:
On 5/23/2016 6:52 PM, wrote:
rickman wrote:
On 5/23/2016 6:05 PM, David Ryeburn wrote:

I've kind of liked end-fed wires as antennas ever since, though now I'm
well aware of their limitations, and, with a pacemaker inside me, I no
longer dare use one. Balanced lines and center-fed doublets are a
nuisance when you go backpacking, but I do want to be able to hike back
out to the car afterwards.

What is wrong with pacemakers that they can't make one that functions
around radios and microwaves?

Lack of space for installing the faraday cage.

Pacemakers DO function around radios and microwaves.

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Condit...13_Article.jsp

Lol! Devices that have to work should be designed to work properly in
the very low level fields that occur in every day life. It's not really
hard. There are any number of engineers who can do that.

According to the article, they ARE designed to work properly in the
very low level fields that occur in everyday life and the biggest risks
are from medical equipment.

Here's the list from your reference. Notice that even MP3 players with
earbuds are a risk!

I read the article; there was no reason for you to copy it.

Here's another article with numbers in it:

http://europace.oxfordjournals.org/content/15/3/388



--
Jim Pennino

On 5/23/2016 9:08 PM, wrote:
rickman wrote:
On 5/23/2016 6:52 PM, wrote:
rickman wrote:
On 5/23/2016 6:05 PM, David Ryeburn wrote:

I've kind of liked end-fed wires as antennas ever since, though now I'm
well aware of their limitations, and, with a pacemaker inside me, I no
longer dare use one. Balanced lines and center-fed doublets are a
nuisance when you go backpacking, but I do want to be able to hike back
out to the car afterwards.

What is wrong with pacemakers that they can't make one that functions
around radios and microwaves?

Lack of space for installing the faraday cage.

Pacemakers DO function around radios and microwaves.

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Condit...13_Article.jsp

Lol! Devices that have to work should be designed to work properly in
the very low level fields that occur in every day life. It's not really
hard. There are any number of engineers who can do that.

According to the article, they ARE designed to work properly in the
very low level fields that occur in everyday life and the biggest risks
are from medical equipment.

Your reference contradicts what you say. Are MP3 players "medical"
equipment? I think they are every day devices. If I read the reasoning
correctly, I'd bet holding an old style telephone receiver to your chest
(commonly done to mute it when you are calling for someone to get the
phone) puts a pacemaker patient at risk too. That's the sort of thing
that happens automatically without thinking.


Here's the list from your reference. Notice that even MP3 players with
earbuds are a risk!

I read the article; there was no reason for you to copy it.

Then why do you continue to contradict it?


Here's another article with numbers in it:

http://europace.oxfordjournals.org/content/15/3/388





--

Rick C

rickman wrote:
On 5/23/2016 9:08 PM, wrote:
rickman wrote:
On 5/23/2016 6:52 PM, wrote:
rickman wrote:
On 5/23/2016 6:05 PM, David Ryeburn wrote:

I've kind of liked end-fed wires as antennas ever since, though now I'm
well aware of their limitations, and, with a pacemaker inside me, I no
longer dare use one. Balanced lines and center-fed doublets are a
nuisance when you go backpacking, but I do want to be able to hike back
out to the car afterwards.

What is wrong with pacemakers that they can't make one that functions
around radios and microwaves?

Lack of space for installing the faraday cage.

Pacemakers DO function around radios and microwaves.

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Condit...13_Article.jsp

Lol! Devices that have to work should be designed to work properly in
the very low level fields that occur in every day life. It's not really
hard. There are any number of engineers who can do that.

According to the article, they ARE designed to work properly in the
very low level fields that occur in everyday life and the biggest risks
are from medical equipment.

Your reference contradicts what you say. Are MP3 players "medical"
equipment?

What part of the word 'biggest' did you fail to understand?


--
Jim Pennino

On 5/24/2016 1:05 AM, wrote:
rickman wrote:
On 5/23/2016 9:08 PM, wrote:
rickman wrote:
On 5/23/2016 6:52 PM, wrote:
rickman wrote:
On 5/23/2016 6:05 PM, David Ryeburn wrote:

I've kind of liked end-fed wires as antennas ever since, though now I'm
well aware of their limitations, and, with a pacemaker inside me, I no
longer dare use one. Balanced lines and center-fed doublets are a
nuisance when you go backpacking, but I do want to be able to hike back
out to the car afterwards.

What is wrong with pacemakers that they can't make one that functions
around radios and microwaves?

Lack of space for installing the faraday cage.

Pacemakers DO function around radios and microwaves.

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Condit...13_Article.jsp

Lol! Devices that have to work should be designed to work properly in
the very low level fields that occur in every day life. It's not really
hard. There are any number of engineers who can do that.

According to the article, they ARE designed to work properly in the
very low level fields that occur in everyday life and the biggest risks
are from medical equipment.

Your reference contradicts what you say. Are MP3 players "medical"
equipment?

What part of the word 'biggest' did you fail to understand?

Exactly. You didn't really say anything since you qualify it so it
means nothing. Bottom line is pacemakers have problems with common
household electronics. Not well designed I think.

--

Rick C

rickman wrote:

On 5/24/2016 1:05 AM, wrote:
rickman wrote:
On 5/23/2016 9:08 PM, wrote:
rickman wrote:
On 5/23/2016 6:52 PM, wrote:
rickman wrote:
On 5/23/2016 6:05 PM, David Ryeburn wrote:

I've kind of liked end-fed wires as antennas ever since, though
now I'm well aware of their limitations, and, with a pacemaker
inside me, I no longer dare use one. Balanced lines and center-fed
doublets are a nuisance when you go backpacking, but I do want to
be able to hike back out to the car afterwards.

What is wrong with pacemakers that they can't make one that
functions around radios and microwaves?

Lack of space for installing the faraday cage.

Pacemakers DO function around radios and microwaves.


http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Condit...ventionTreatme
ntofArrhythmia/Devices-that-may-Interfere-with-Pacemakers_UCM_302013_
Article.jsp

Lol! Devices that have to work should be designed to work properly in
the very low level fields that occur in every day life. It's not really
hard. There are any number of engineers who can do that.

According to the article, they ARE designed to work properly in the
very low level fields that occur in everyday life and the biggest risks
are from medical equipment.

Your reference contradicts what you say. Are MP3 players "medical"
equipment?

What part of the word 'biggest' did you fail to understand?

Exactly. You didn't really say anything since you qualify it so it
means nothing. Bottom line is pacemakers have problems with common
household electronics. Not well designed I think.

i think it is more that pacemakers *could* potentially have problems
with everyday equipment under worst-case scenarios, especially with
possible faults. They don't usually, but for obvious reasons even rare
and unlikely risks have to be considered.

--

Roger Hayter

rickman wrote:
On 5/24/2016 1:05 AM, wrote:
rickman wrote:
On 5/23/2016 9:08 PM, wrote:
rickman wrote:
On 5/23/2016 6:52 PM, wrote:
rickman wrote:
On 5/23/2016 6:05 PM, David Ryeburn wrote:

I've kind of liked end-fed wires as antennas ever since, though now I'm
well aware of their limitations, and, with a pacemaker inside me, I no
longer dare use one. Balanced lines and center-fed doublets are a
nuisance when you go backpacking, but I do want to be able to hike back
out to the car afterwards.

What is wrong with pacemakers that they can't make one that functions
around radios and microwaves?

Lack of space for installing the faraday cage.

Pacemakers DO function around radios and microwaves.

http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Condit...13_Article.jsp

Lol! Devices that have to work should be designed to work properly in
the very low level fields that occur in every day life. It's not really
hard. There are any number of engineers who can do that.

According to the article, they ARE designed to work properly in the
very low level fields that occur in everyday life and the biggest risks
are from medical equipment.

Your reference contradicts what you say. Are MP3 players "medical"
equipment?

What part of the word 'biggest' did you fail to understand?

Exactly. You didn't really say anything since you qualify it so it
means nothing. Bottom line is pacemakers have problems with common
household electronics. Not well designed I think.

Whatever.

--
Jim Pennino