Oh I forgot, Islam recognizes Jesus as another prophet with Mohammed being the
last and greatest. Islam does not recognize that Jesus is the Son of God, and
is indeed God.

Randy

Chuck,

Reread my post. I said that Islam and Hinduism both practice religious
discrimination. In fact Islam is monthiestic will Hindi's are polytheistic.

As you posted, religious liberty includes the right not to practice. But
religious liberty also includes my right to vote based on religious beliefs, to
work as a minister seeking to help mankind, and even evangelise and pass out
information in public forums.

Of the 13 colonies that were founded for religious freedom, I can think of
Mass., Rhode Island, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Maryland. 5 out of 13.
Several other colonies offered freedom from religious discrimination.

Randy

"Theplanters95" wrote in message
...
Chuck,

Reread my post. I said that Islam and Hinduism both practice religious
discrimination. In fact Islam is monthiestic will Hindi's are
polytheistic.

As you posted, religious liberty includes the right not to practice. But
religious liberty also includes my right to vote based on religious
beliefs, to
work as a minister seeking to help mankind, and even evangelise and pass
out
information in public forums.

Of the 13 colonies that were founded for religious freedom, I can think
of
Mass., Rhode Island, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Maryland. 5 out of 13.
Several other colonies offered freedom from religious discrimination.

Randy

Massachusetts was hardly "founded for religious freedom." It was founded by
true believers who had The Answer. Escaping persecution doesn't mean one
won't practice it when in power.

A strong case can be made that Hinduism is basically monotheistic -- as with
many/most religions (Rabbinical Judaism and Islam excepted) the popular
beliefs tend toward polytheism (e.g., Christian trinity, saints and he
semi-deification of Mary).

While "work as a minister seeking to help mankind" might not be technically
oxymoronic it is not more meaningful than "work as a garbage collector (or
even, gasp, an EE) to help mankind."

Paul

p.paulfriedman wrote:
"Theplanters95" wrote in message
...

Chuck,

Reread my post. I said that Islam and Hinduism both practice religious
discrimination. In fact Islam is monthiestic will Hindi's are
polytheistic.

As you posted, religious liberty includes the right not to practice. But
religious liberty also includes my right to vote based on religious
beliefs, to
work as a minister seeking to help mankind, and even evangelise and pass
out
information in public forums.

Of the 13 colonies that were founded for religious freedom, I can think
of
Mass., Rhode Island, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Maryland. 5 out of 13.
Several other colonies offered freedom from religious discrimination.

Randy


Massachusetts was hardly "founded for religious freedom." It was founded by
true believers who had The Answer. Escaping persecution doesn't mean one
won't practice it when in power.

A strong case can be made that Hinduism is basically monotheistic -- as with
many/most religions (Rabbinical Judaism and Islam excepted) the popular
beliefs tend toward polytheism (e.g., Christian trinity, saints and he
semi-deification of Mary).

While "work as a minister seeking to help mankind" might not be technically
oxymoronic it is not more meaningful than "work as a garbage collector (or
even, gasp, an EE) to help mankind."

Paul



Most of the hick preachers I've known have spent more time
helping themselves to their followers money than helping mankind.
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:47:19 GMT, "Tom Donaly"
wrote:

Most of the hick preachers I've known have spent more time
helping themselves to their followers money than helping mankind.
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH


Just watch the God Channel on Sat TV ... that's some big business!

Theplanters95 wrote in message
...
Chuck,

Reread my post. I said that Islam and Hinduism both practice religious
discrimination. In fact Islam is monthiestic will Hindi's are polytheistic.

Well, actually, the Hundu religion is
monotheistic as well: many sub-deities, but
only one God.

Modern Christianity has many sub-deities
as well, only they are called angels.

The Hundu God is a loving god, as that of
the Christ, not warlike like the god of
Abraham which faux-Christians worship
today.

In any case, I took issue with your notion
of discrimination... perhaps you should
re-read my post.


As you posted, religious liberty includes the right not to practice. But
religious liberty also includes my right to vote based on religious beliefs, to
work as a minister seeking to help mankind, and even evangelise and pass out
information in public forums.

Yes, you can vote any way you wish, but if
your church holds a non-profit status, then
passing out political fliers is illegal, since this
makes your church a political orginization,
subject to taxation.

You do not have a right to be a criminal,
nor is it ethical (or honest) to usurp the
intent or spirit of that law.

If you really want to help mankind, then
mind your own business (worry about
'saving' yourself, not others) since
historically, religion has been responsible
for most wars, oppression, and human
misery!


Of the 13 colonies that were founded for religious freedom, I can think of
Mass., Rhode Island, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Maryland. 5 out of 13.
Several other colonies offered freedom from religious discrimination.


Folks left Europe for the 'New World' mainly
to get away religious oppression - similar to
what we can expect from perverted cults like
your power hungry Pat Robertson's coalition.
You can Justify your actions by any number
of historical revisions, but the fact remains;
America was founded as a secular nation and
religion has no role to play in its government.

Now, if a bunch of crazy Mullah's were to take
your position - wishing to influence government
policy - your position would take a 180° turn in
NY minute... flip-flop!

Chuck, WA7RAI

Randy

Peter wrote in message
...
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:47:19 GMT, "Tom Donaly"
wrote:

Most of the hick preachers I've known have spent more time
helping themselves to their followers money than helping mankind.
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH


Just watch the God Channel on Sat TV ... that's some big business!


Tom,

I just read where Trinity Broadcasting is
undergoing an audit... seems the big cheese
there is living a lifestyle way too opulent
for his salary... ;)

Chuck, WA7RAI

Theplanters95 wrote in message
...
Oh I forgot, Islam recognizes Jesus as another prophet with Mohammed being the
last and greatest. Islam does not recognize that Jesus is the Son of God, and
is indeed God.

Randy

Are you saying Jesus created the Universe
and the laws of physics?

Chuck, WA7RAI

Chuck, et al:

Yes, Jesus created the laws of physics and created the universe. I can hear it
now, Creation vs Intellegent Design vs Evolution. 3 seperate ideas.. That is a
Off Topic and Off List question.

How can you say Hinduism is a peaceful monotheistic religion? One of the major
goddess is Shiva. Or what about Krishnia? They have hundreds of gods and
goddess. In may parts of India, it is illegal to convert from Hinduism to
another religion, often punished by torture and/or death. The Caste system and
the Law of Karma is one of the major discriminators in the world.

The trinity is 1 God in three persons. As a Baptist, we do not diefy Mary the
mother of Jesus nor worship the "Saints". The God of Abraham in the OT is the
same God of the NT. God the father, God the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit is
one God in 3 essences. Sort of like a man being a husband, father and brother
- three distinct roles, but one person. Angels are created beings, not to be
worshipped or diefied as a God. May I suggest you read some of the historic
creeds and confessions of faith, such as the Apostle Creed, Nicine Creed, The
London Confession, and the Southern Baptist Statement of faith? This will help
you better understand the main doctrines of Christianity verses some of the
strange teachings seen on Trinity.

On the political side, when people ask or talk politics to me, I tell them that
the Bible tells us to pray for the kings over us. Since USA does not have a
king, the principle to be applied is pray for our Government leaders, starting
with our local leaders, and pray for Kerry and Bush, or Bush and Kerry. The
Bible also tells us to be good citizens, so please go vote. As you can see, I
endorse no candiate or party. Even though position papers and voter guides (if
they do not endorse any person or party) are legal to give out, I will not,
because politics is too sensitive.

If asked a question, say for example, What does the Bible say about abortion,
or any other issue, I will show what the Bible says. Basically, I say, read
the Bible, read pro and con arguements and then make up your mind.

Christians should not be brain dead robots, but people with critical thinking
skills. Of course, a Christian worldview should be based around the Bible. Yes.
I have 2 degrees, and have studied most ot the world religions, science,
philosophy and "humanism". I made my decision.

On money. If, I was after money, I would have stayed a mid-level computer
programmer making 4 times my pastor salary. Would you be interested in
donating a Raibeam to a poor preacher?? :-) But then I would need a tower and a
rotor and approval from the Historical Commission...:-)

I did not know Trinity Broadcasting was being audited. I have heard about the
sex scandal - One of the founders tried to bribe somebody not to talk of
homosexual affair. Trinity is not on the local cable system, and I have strong
concerns about them. Thanks for the info. In the past, I have watched Trinity
mainly to see what strange clothes would be worn, and what outlandish
statements made. Sure was fun, but sad -- thinking about the people being
duped by them.

It is evident that you are well versed in the many world religions. May I
suggest you read the series of books by Lee Strobel? They all start out "The
Case for ..." Lee was a news reporter and atheist and has written several books
detailing his experiences. Have you read Josh Mcdowells books on Evidences for
Christianity? The Caner (Canar, sp?) brothers have some excellent books
detailing how they grew up as Muslims and then converted to Christianity.

I'm confused by the statement that Juduism is not monothiestic. The Shema
(Deuteronomy 6:4-9) clearly states that. Can you explain that?

It has been fun talking with you. It is past midnight. Time to go QRT.

Randy

Theplanters95 wrote in message
...
Chuck, et al:

Yes, Jesus created the laws of physics and created the universe.

Ummm... this means the universe is
only about 2000 years old, right?

How can you say Hinduism is a peaceful monotheistic religion? One of the major
goddess is Shiva. Or what about Krishnia?

Shiva is a lower deity like an archangel...

Krishna was a man.

Most Hindi are vegetarians because they
do not believe in killing... that's peaceful.

Obviously, your mind is made up that
Hindu is not monotheistic.

The Caste system and
the Law of Karma is one of the major discriminators in the world.

The Law of Karma is similar to a law of
physics: for every action there is an
opposite and equal reaction - which can
also be said as: "as ye sow, so shall ye
reap".

I don't defend the cast system, but
I do understand its religious basis.

Let me suggest that you should inform
yourself in this regard as well.

The God of Abraham in the OT is the
same God of the NT.

Perhaps in the mind of faux-Christians...

But in reality they are contradictory: one a
god of love and compassion, the other a
god of hatred, violence, and oppression.

On the political side, when people ask or talk politics to me, I tell them that
the Bible tells us to pray for the kings over us.

The Bible also says to slay the wicked
and perform other violent acts - in complete
contradiction to the teachings of the Christ.

He said in regards to evangelism: "cast not
your pearls before swine".

In regards to politics: "leave unto Caesar
what is Caesar's... ".


If asked a question, say for example, What does the Bible say about abortion,
or any other issue, I will show what the Bible says. Basically, I say, read
the Bible, read pro and con arguments and then make up your mind.

The Bible is the work of man.

If you don't believe in abortion, then by all
means, do not have one. On the other hand,
what right have you to enforce your beliefs
on others?


Christians should not be brain dead robots, but people with critical thinking
skills. .

Where is the critical thinking in ignoring
contradictions and believing illogical
silliness?

Of course, a Christian worldview should be based around the Bible. Yes.
I have 2 degrees, and have studied most of the world religions, science,
philosophy and "humanism". I made my decision

Judging from what you write, either you
weren't paying much attention, or your
'course' was so biased towards the
evangelical point of view, that any
modicum of truth about 'world religions'
was, on the most part, lost.


It is evident that you are well versed in the many world religions. May I
suggest you read [... ]

Been there, done than - many years ago.

Perhaps you should read the 'holy' books
of all religions on your own (as opposed
to being taught erroneous opinions). At
minimum, you could then hold a valid view.


I'm confused by the statement that Juduism is not monothiestic.

So am I. I did not say that!

It has been fun talking with you. It is past midnight. Time to go QRT.

Randy

I'm glad you're having fun. In truth, this
seems more an excursive in futility, than
any thing else.

Though I was raised as a conservative
Christian, I am neither Hindu, Sikh, Muslim,
Buddhist, Jewish, Christian, Bahai', Mormon,
Eckancar, Brotherhood of light, etc,.

I do recognize there is a measure of truth in
them all (some more than others). For this
reason, it is salient that we do not suppress
any religious thought, or promote one over
another. America, like India, must remain
both democratic and secular.

Cheers,

Chuck, WA7RAI