I think this Fractenna guy is ... ? ... or something. He managed to argue
here with everyone who asked him questions.

Now, does he really represent Fractal Antenna Systems?
http://www.fractalantenna.com/
All the patents mentioned on this Website have single author: Nathan Cohen.

If that's him and he makes all this noise on behalf of his company (pretty
unrealistic assumption anyway) ... this is not a good way to market
innovations, be it fractal antennas or anything.

They may be good innovations then, just hindered by his approach.

Andrey

PS: If someone has commercial request for Antenna design, I can help too - I
do it for living. No fractals, just whips, patches, dipoles, loops, arrays -
everything from the classic books. I am an older guy. And of course,
matching, tuning, conforming and any sorts of customization. I have several
patents too, though I do not think of them as anything special.


--
Andrey Gleener R&D Services Ltd.
4775 Gilpin Crt. Burnaby
BC V5G 3A1
Tel: 604 844 7578
EMail:







"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:54:57 +0100, "Mark"
wrote:

I've looked at the Fractantenna web site and there is only marketing info
available.

Hi Mark,

And the intent in being obscure, or coy, is another marketing
technique to churn a amateur newsgroup for commercial interest. When
drawn into these banalities, the marketeer then steers the sucker
through the maze of claims to elicit a public declaration "sure this
looks good." Once having secured this admission from the prospect,
the marketeer then has the leverage to ask "what is keeping you from
giving me your money?"

All very standard and by the book [consult the recent activities of
Mr. Spitzer, Attorney General for New York for other material found in
"the book"].

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

I think this Fractenna guy is ... ? ... or something. He managed to argue
here with everyone who asked him questions.

Now, does he really represent Fractal Antenna Systems?
http://www.fractalantenna.com/
All the patents mentioned on this Website have single author: Nathan Cohen.

If that's him and he makes all this noise on behalf of his company (pretty
unrealistic assumption anyway) ... this is not a good way to market
innovations, be it fractal antennas or anything.

They may be good innovations then, just hindered by his approach.

Andrey

PS: If someone has commercial request for Antenna design, I can help too - I
do it for living. No fractals, just whips, patches, dipoles, loops, arrays -
everything from the classic books. I am an older guy. And of course,
matching, tuning, conforming and any sorts of customization. I have several
patents too, though I do not think of them as anything special.


--
Andrey Gleener R&D Services Ltd.
4775 Gilpin Crt. Burnaby
BC V5G 3A1
Tel: 604 844 7578
EMail:

Yup. Just what I expected.

Get the competitor nonsense off the NG. It's interference of business.

I hate to be right...

Chip N1IR

Andrey said:

Fractal antennas ... turned out to be useless. That's how I understand it.
It is not a myth, as someone here said it. Drawing "fractal dipole" is shown
in "Antennas for all applications" - there is such a book. It,
anecdotically, does not do you much of anything.
Looks fancy, that's it.

There were bunch of articles promising miracles, but it did not work
according to the promises, otherwise we would hear about it, see them
around.

Andrey



and later....


If that's him and he makes all this noise on behalf of his company (pretty
unrealistic assumption anyway) ... this is not a good way to market
innovations, be it fractal antennas or anything.

They may be good innovations then, just hindered by his approach.

Andrey

PS: If someone has commercial request for Antenna design, I can help too - I
do it for living. No fractals, just whips, patches, dipoles, loops, arrays -
everything from the classic books. I am an older guy. And of course,
matching, tuning, conforming and any sorts of customization. I have several
patents too, though I do not think of them as anything special.


--
Andrey Gleener R&D Services Ltd.
4775 Gilpin Crt. Burnaby
BC V5G 3A1
Tel: 604 844 7578
EMail:


Andrey, I have long noticed that having a competitor as a source of
non-factual comment is the norm in this industry, You just happened to get
caught...

Ah yes, the antenna industry: one of the few business fields without a trade
organization--ever wonder why?

73,
Chip N1IR

"Andrey" wrote in message
...
I think this Fractenna guy is ... ? ... or something. He managed to argue
here with everyone who asked him questions.

Now, does he really represent Fractal Antenna Systems?
http://www.fractalantenna.com/
All the patents mentioned on this Website have single author: Nathan
Cohen.

If that's him and he makes all this noise on behalf of his company (pretty
unrealistic assumption anyway) ... this is not a good way to market
innovations, be it fractal antennas or anything.


Guess what Andrey... that company was founded by Nathan Cohen. And Fractenna
has been signing his posts as Chip, N1IR. An ARRL call sign search turns up

COHEN, NATHAN L, N1IR (Extra)
(address withheld)



So I guess you're right. He has a vested interest in arguing for fractal
antennas, yes?

John

Wow! Together we strong!




"John Smith" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Andrey" wrote in message
...
I think this Fractenna guy is ... ? ... or something. He managed to argue
here with everyone who asked him questions.

Now, does he really represent Fractal Antenna Systems?
http://www.fractalantenna.com/
All the patents mentioned on this Website have single author: Nathan
Cohen.

If that's him and he makes all this noise on behalf of his company
(pretty
unrealistic assumption anyway) ... this is not a good way to market
innovations, be it fractal antennas or anything.


Guess what Andrey... that company was founded by Nathan Cohen. And
Fractenna
has been signing his posts as Chip, N1IR. An ARRL call sign search turns
up

COHEN, NATHAN L, N1IR (Extra)
(address withheld)



So I guess you're right. He has a vested interest in arguing for fractal
antennas, yes?

John

The dingbat wants your ID so that he can send you a laughable (but annoying)
threatening legaleze mumbo-jumbo e-mail. It is much more relaxing to taunt
the lunacy from a slightly more annonymous position.

The dingbat has one valid point. There are nearly infinitely more 'fractal'
shapes than simple shapes. This means, as he says, that the solution space
is vastly increased by using fractal-shaped antennas to provide some weird
combination of parameters.

What he won't acknowledge is that there are *infinitely again* more
non-fractal squiggly shapes than pure fractal shapes (turtles upon turtles
all the way down). Therefore, his patents are apparently worthless because,
even if there were some applications that happened to 'allow' a fractal
antenna solution, anyone could take the fractal antenna solution and
randomize it a bit (loop until better) to make it slightly nonfractal (and
better at the same time!) and off you go.

It must be annoying to have spent the entire bundle on this and only now
realize that it is absolutely trivial to walk around the patents.

That would be if, big if, anyone cared to.

I hereby place all slightly non-fractal squiggly antennas into the public
domain.

rom: "Le plume de ma taunt"
Date: 10/21/2004 7:37 PM Eastern

I hereby place all slightly non-fractal squiggly antennas into the public
domain.

The poster's screenname says it all...

73,
Chip N1IR

[F]rom: "Le plume de ma taunt"


"Fractenna"
The poster's screenname says it all...

I presume that you meant 'e-mail address' vice 'screen name' (assuming that
you aimed at the obvious target, and missed).

The screen name ("Le plume de ma taunt") is actually hilarious - I hope that
the humour wasn't wasted on you. 'taunt' vice 'tante' - get it? Ah, forget
it.

Now, go away, or I shall taunt you a third time...

Subject: Fractal Antennas
From: "This is a 'screenname'"
Date: 10/21/2004 9:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

[F]rom: "Le plume de ma taunt"


"Fractenna"
The poster's screenname says it all...

I presume that you meant 'e-mail address' vice 'screen name' (assuming that
you aimed at the obvious target, and missed).

The screen name ("Le plume de ma taunt") is actually hilarious - I hope that
the humour wasn't wasted on you. 'taunt' vice 'tante' - get it? Ah, forget
it.

Now, go away, or I shall taunt you a third time...


Sisna...I'm glad I met 'ya. Good luck to YOU Mr. Bogus:-)

73,
Chip N1IR

So I guess you're right. He has a vested interest in arguing for fractal
antennas, yes?

John

Hi "John",

I have a vested interest in the accuracy of my comments to Andrey, which he
solicited.

What's YOUR interest, :"John"?

No one is selling fractal antennas on this NG, John.

My motivations were to take the commercial stuff off-line (hardly a hidden
agenda) and to counter hi targeted statements with some relevant fact and query
on his supposed sources. his was apparently to introduce commercial
interference.

I imagine that some person on this NG with his head in the sand doesn't know
who I am at this point--but I doubt it.

I am amused, however, to have you think that I am so unwilling to 'fess up to
my background. See, for example:
www.qrz.com

Do a look-up on N1IR. That's pretty transparent.

Are you expecting me to feel put-out in some way by these histrionics?:-)

Anyway, don't do this purely for my enjoyment:-)

73,
Chip N1IR