Airy R. Bean wrote:

Some of us have encountered the wrath of our local planning
committees when erecting antennae that seemed reasonable to us,
but perhaps unreasonable to SFB neighbours.

Could we conceive of an antenna, even possible an HF beam, that
folds away into a single rod-like structure when not in use?

I have in mind the way in which quite elaborate antennae and solar
cells unfold from a satellite once it reaches orbit.

Such an antenna, if it were to be deployed only during the hours
of darkness, might also serve the needs of those who are obliged
to use stealth antennae due to restrictive covenants on the buildings
used as their shacks!


I know the ideal 'antenna' for you, Beanie, it's called a 'dummy load',
affordable even on benefits from your local CB shop. You could also try
replacing your broadband modem with a dummy load and leave Usenet in peace.
....(_!_)...

jonny wrote:

The man next door has a large erection in the back garden, which is
unsightly and dangerous. !!
Is This is the sort of complaint they send to the council, Mr Bean ??


Are you sure this relates to Beanie? 'Unsightly and dangerous', YES, but
'large erection'?
--
;)
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
http://turner-smith.co.uk

Ian White, G3SEK wrote:


Your experience may vary, but an informal preliminary chat with the help
of some mocked-up images can never do any harm.



Yes, the very approach I'm considering for two masts in the garden, one
at 20ft to support one end of a 180ft doublet, and the other at 30ft to
support some VHF/UHF antennas, a 2.4GHz fixed dish towards an VHF NFD
Contest Site (line-of-sight at 23Km!), and I'm also considering another
Dipole or Inverted-V for HF.

The 20ft mast will shadow an existing BT telegraph pole (had thought
about using it!), and shouldn't be a problem in terms of planning or
interference (well my telephone isn't connected to it), but the 30ft
mast will have to be a wind up design as I want to experiment, and
because I'm a long way down the rear garden, it could be 60ft tall and
still wouldn't be seen from the pavement at the front of the house.
30ft or 40ft would be ample here as I'm on a hill anyway, and shall only
initially be using two small beams on a rotator, for 2m and 23cms.

M5WJF

wrote:
Ian White, G3SEK wrote:

Your experience may vary, but an informal preliminary chat with the
help of some mocked-up images can never do any harm.


Yes, the very approach I'm considering for two masts in the garden, one
at 20ft to support one end of a 180ft doublet, and the other at 30ft to
support some VHF/UHF antennas, a 2.4GHz fixed dish towards an VHF NFD
Contest Site (line-of-sight at 23Km!), and I'm also considering another
Dipole or Inverted-V for HF.

The 20ft mast will shadow an existing BT telegraph pole (had thought
about using it!), and shouldn't be a problem in terms of planning or
interference (well my telephone isn't connected to it), but the 30ft
mast will have to be a wind up design as I want to experiment, and
because I'm a long way down the rear garden, it could be 60ft tall and
still wouldn't be seen from the pavement at the front of the house.
30ft or 40ft would be ample here as I'm on a hill anyway, and shall
only initially be using two small beams on a rotator, for 2m and 23cms.

OK then, try to get into the neighbours' gardens and take some
photographs you can draw on.


--
73 from Ian G3SEK 'In Practice' columnist for RadCom (RSGB)
http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek

Oh dear Bean's on the Wacky Backy again. - Stick to Special Brew OM !!

What if you don't have a pavement at the front of the dwelling (serious
question). Incidentally none of the antennas are visable from the front
of my "dwelling" (it looks like a tall ship race at the back mind) so I
guess I am ok.

Can I insist that my neighbour removes the two 80 foot oak trees he has
grown in his garden?

G1LVN wrote:
What if you don't have a pavement at the front of the dwelling (serious
question). Incidentally none of the antennas are visable from the front
of my "dwelling" (it looks like a tall ship race at the back mind) so I
guess I am ok.

Well, the Planning Enforcement Officer must make a determination of
which side of your house is the front, and view the house from standing
at least 6ft from your boundary.


Can I insist that my neighbour removes the two 80 foot oak trees he has
grown in his garden?


Possibly not, but you may erect an 80ft mast and almost certainly gain
approved planning, since stating that he has two 80ft trees next door
will allow you to maintain that the visual impact of your tower/antennas
various, will not be over-powering to the local area. ;-)

M5WJF

jonny wrote:
The man next door has a large erection in the back garden, which is
unsightly and dangerous. !!
Is This is the sort of complaint they send to the council, Mr Bean ??

Has anybody ever erected an antenna with slanted poles and
straight down guy wires? That would allow the antenna to
be as long as the lot.

----------------------------------------
|\ antenna /|
| \ / |
| \ / |
| \pole pole/ |guy
| \ / |
| \ / |


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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp


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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 00:00:43 -0600, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Has anybody ever erected an antenna with slanted poles and
straight down guy wires? That would allow the antenna to
be as long as the lot.

True. But in your design the antenna wire will be carrying serious
tension loads in addition to its own weight, and you would need aerial
components suitably rated for this.
--
from
Aero Spike

"jonny" wrote in message
...
The man next door has a large erection in the back garden, which is
unsightly and dangerous. !!
Is This is the sort of complaint they send to the council, Mr Bean ??


Is that Mr. Hugh E. Rection?