On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 13:26:40 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

To all:

It is my understanding that all gov't materials, since paid for by
taxpayers, are non-copyright.
Also, any material before 1923 would have expired copyrights and,
undoubtably, a significant amount of material will have been published
"public domain"; so, does anyone have a list of non-copyright materials
pertaining to antennas? Or, any ideas of how to obtain the information on
how to assemble one.
A website of non-copyright materials concerning antennas would be a great
asset to this community...

Regards,
John

I'm not sure I understand your point about copyrights.

Even if a copyright has expired or never existed in the first place,
anyone who gives you a printed piece is going to charge for paper and
ink -- all the manufacturing costs involved in a printed piece.

Or, if you're just looking for web materials, it costs money to put up
a web site. You'll be charged to help defray those costs.

What are you expecting?

bob
k5qwg

Bob:
You are living in the past my friend!
1) It costs nothing to make works available to the gutenberg project.
2) There are other endeavors, such as gutenberg (some colleges request help
in obtaining materials, Virginia is only one)...
3) There are excellent peer-to-peer filesharing networks (Take a look at
Winmx--it guarantees no spyware or malware in the app)
4) IRC allows direct DCC SENDS of data from one chatter to another. (this
begs for someone to set up an amateur chat room anyway--MIRC is an excellent
IRC chat client.)
5) There are free Web Hosting ISP's on which you can host data, files,
etc.--all you need to know is HTML markup language and an FTP client (ask
your kids/grandkids--they can set it up for you--if not, I will give some
assistance.)
6) Ebooks can be emailed and shared.
7) etc., etc., etc.
The only excuse of why not to is ignorance and lazyness...

Regards,
John

--
I would like to point out, I do appreciate the "Been there--done that!"
posts. Indeed, now your observations, comments and discourse should be
filled with wisdom--I am listening!!!
"Bob Miller" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 13:26:40 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

To all:

It is my understanding that all gov't materials, since paid for by
taxpayers, are non-copyright.
Also, any material before 1923 would have expired copyrights and,
undoubtably, a significant amount of material will have been published
"public domain"; so, does anyone have a list of non-copyright materials
pertaining to antennas? Or, any ideas of how to obtain the information on
how to assemble one.
A website of non-copyright materials concerning antennas would be a great
asset to this community...

Regards,
John

I'm not sure I understand your point about copyrights.

Even if a copyright has expired or never existed in the first place,
anyone who gives you a printed piece is going to charge for paper and
ink -- all the manufacturing costs involved in a printed piece.

Or, if you're just looking for web materials, it costs money to put up
a web site. You'll be charged to help defray those costs.

What are you expecting?

bob
k5qwg

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:11:37 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

Bob:
You are living in the past my friend!
1) It costs nothing to make works available to the gutenberg project.
2) There are other endeavors, such as gutenberg (some colleges request help
in obtaining materials, Virginia is only one)...
3) There are excellent peer-to-peer filesharing networks (Take a look at
Winmx--it guarantees no spyware or malware in the app)
4) IRC allows direct DCC SENDS of data from one chatter to another. (this
begs for someone to set up an amateur chat room anyway--MIRC is an excellent
IRC chat client.)
5) There are free Web Hosting ISP's on which you can host data, files,
etc.--all you need to know is HTML markup language and an FTP client (ask
your kids/grandkids--they can set it up for you--if not, I will give some
assistance.)
6) Ebooks can be emailed and shared.
7) etc., etc., etc.
The only excuse of why not to is ignorance and lazyness...

Regards,
John

I'm sure all of the above exists, but it sounds like you are basically
for people working for free and not being compensated for their labor.
I'm about as damned-liberal as anybody on this group, but I believe
people who create intellectual property should be paid for it, and if
they want their kids and grandkids to benefit, so be it, and any
deadbeats outside the family who want to glom on to it for free, to
heck with 'em.

There are way too many folks who want free music, free film, free
books, free everything -- but if we stop compensating people who
create intellectual property, it will simply stop being created.

bob
k5qwg

Bob:

You have a right to any opinion you so choose to hold, as an American
indebited to my forefathers sacrifices--I would defend such with my life...

Personally, I find you underhanded, subversive and purposefully obstructive,
I cite your posts, to this point, as proof, the rags you attempt to hide
such behavior behind are simply revealing to the point of being invisible!

NO ONE HERE has/is even hinted at illegal, immoral or unethical
practices--EXCEPT YOU!

I suspect your motives are much less than honorable and just an attempt at
interferring with the free exchange of information and knowledge...

There is a natural tendency of humans to help other humans. No where is
this better demonstrated than one amateur helping another; It is a notable
and highly redeeming quality of the human condition...

You my friend are one who is on the verge of being a "Control Freak!"

I suggest you re-analyze your motives, intentions and goals and certainly
how others will view an "unbridled tongue!"

Regards,
John

--
I would like to point out, I do appreciate the "Been there--done that!"
posts. Indeed, now your observations, comments and discourse should be
filled with wisdom--I am listening!!!
"Bob Miller" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:11:37 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

Bob:
You are living in the past my friend!
1) It costs nothing to make works available to the gutenberg project.
2) There are other endeavors, such as gutenberg (some colleges request
help
in obtaining materials, Virginia is only one)...
3) There are excellent peer-to-peer filesharing networks (Take a look at
Winmx--it guarantees no spyware or malware in the app)
4) IRC allows direct DCC SENDS of data from one chatter to another. (this
begs for someone to set up an amateur chat room anyway--MIRC is an
excellent
IRC chat client.)
5) There are free Web Hosting ISP's on which you can host data, files,
etc.--all you need to know is HTML markup language and an FTP client (ask
your kids/grandkids--they can set it up for you--if not, I will give some
assistance.)
6) Ebooks can be emailed and shared.
7) etc., etc., etc.
The only excuse of why not to is ignorance and lazyness...

Regards,
John

I'm sure all of the above exists, but it sounds like you are basically
for people working for free and not being compensated for their labor.
I'm about as damned-liberal as anybody on this group, but I believe
people who create intellectual property should be paid for it, and if
they want their kids and grandkids to benefit, so be it, and any
deadbeats outside the family who want to glom on to it for free, to
heck with 'em.

There are way too many folks who want free music, free film, free
books, free everything -- but if we stop compensating people who
create intellectual property, it will simply stop being created.

bob
k5qwg

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:18:06 GMT, Bob Miller
wrote:

but if we stop compensating people who
create intellectual property, it will simply stop being created.

Hi Bob,

This assertion is untested by simple virtue of the extension of
copyright, and the continued abuse of patents. Being untested does
not mean that it defaults to being true.

Insofar as left/right/liberal/conservative politics go, Ben Franklin
was very much against patenting. In his era, plagiarism was rife, but
its penalty was weighed against purpose and claims and punished in the
form of opprobrium. You were far more likely to be sued for slander
than stealing ideas. Back then, if you couldn't pay the fine, they
threw you in the slammer.

But back to the assertion, there is every proof that this is simply
not the case. One of the chief contentions that America is shipping
its software jobs east (the far east, not Jersey) is that Asians will
soon crowd the field with better programmers (or simply more, cheaper
programmers) who will flood the capitalist market with their product.

Creativity being what it is, and what intellectuals do, such product
that is free and unencumbered has already washed the Asians out like a
tidal wave. I can point at one example of creativity that confounds
the monetary need for patent or copyright:
http://sourceforge.net/
where you and others may observe more than 98,000 software packages
are being offered for free (this is NOT crippleware) that are being
built by more than 1 Million designers (creative individuals). They
do ask for pledges, but this is not a condition of use.

The Chinese don't need more programmers to burn illegal copies of M$
Office, but neither do I need to fly to Shanghai to buy them. Instead
I can download Open Office for free (and certainly at less hazard to
asian infections). Do I breathlessly wait for the next iteration now
called Longhorn? That horse is so lame, M$ hasn't realized that the
field has left it behind. If a million Indian Engineers could put it
on wheels with a hemi under the hood, it still wouldn't pay their
wages in rice when it hits the market. M$ daily pays the cost for
exclusivity that eclipes copyright or patent. As far as creativity
go, copyright and patent offer abysmal return unless you are a one
note symphony composer.

The ONLY software I have ever purchased in the last 10 years was for
Agent (the newsreader I am now using to post to this forum) and
Outpost Firewall. Both items were to protect me from the third piece
of software I bought, M$ Win2K Pro which could now be easily replaced
with Linux (which I now build custom business systems on). Absolutely
every application that is mainstream can be replaced and upgraded to
for FREE.

In the spirit of compensation, not to the individual(s) who designed
Open Office, but to the community at large, I have contributed my own
Web Search Engines for FREE. My effort to produce them expended as
much time, but far less cash in my pursuit of 5 patents (ego
certificates).

If any want to argue that this is far different from Mickey Mouse
protection, I would offer that even if his copyright expired, there
would still be protection through Trade Mark, and Licensing
agreements. Really, the laws are manifestly and explicitly for
intimidation alone.

You can be sued for distributing the image of Moe Howard, but sky
through with Abraham Lincoln's mug on a T-shirt. This is not about
creativity, merit, or intellectual worth. It is simply about
government sanctioned monopoly (and again, manifestly and explicitly
so). As TR observed 100 years ago, expanded monopolies are bad for
America.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 11:15:34 -0700, Richard Clark
wrote:

Absolutely every application that is mainstream can be replaced and upgraded to
for FREE.

Hi All,

In today's news, from the Seattle Times:
"'My belief is that open-source software is going to help drive
the acquisition cost of software down toward zero,' he said, a
shift that will require software companies to move 'over to a
maintenance and support model.'"
and this is a quote from Martin Taylor, Ballmer's chief of staff at
M$.

Now, taking that cue about future trends in protecting the rights of
those who create intellectual property, you may notice that patents
and copyright have ceased to have market leverage in an industry that
is content dominated. On the other hand, maintenance and support are
strictly labor centric. How long do you think 1million Chinese will
take to hone their mid-west accent? How long do you think it would
take you to brush up your Mandarin or Cantonese?

The economy of off-shoring is not found in how many calls the Chinese
Help Desk can answer, but in how many answers the Chinese Help Desk
can make understandable.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard Clark wrote:

If any want to argue that this is far different from Mickey Mouse
protection, I would offer that even if his copyright expired, there
would still be protection through Trade Mark, and Licensing
agreements.

Why would anyone pay to license something for which the copyright has
expired?

Really, the laws are manifestly and explicitly for
intimidation alone.

No. They are also meant to encourage R&D, advance the state of the art,
and promote entepreneurism.

You can be sued for distributing the image of Moe Howard, but sky
through with Abraham Lincoln's mug on a T-shirt.

That's where the similarity ends. But where does it begin?

This is not about
creativity, merit, or intellectual worth. It is simply about
government sanctioned monopoly (and again, manifestly and explicitly
so). As TR observed 100 years ago, expanded monopolies are bad for
America.

The Truthspeak word for pessimist is realist.

ac6xg

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 17:18:06 GMT, Bob Miller
wrote:

On Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:11:37 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

Bob:
You are living in the past my friend!
1) It costs nothing to make works available to the gutenberg project.
2) There are other endeavors, such as gutenberg (some colleges request help
in obtaining materials, Virginia is only one)...
3) There are excellent peer-to-peer filesharing networks (Take a look at
Winmx--it guarantees no spyware or malware in the app)
4) IRC allows direct DCC SENDS of data from one chatter to another. (this
begs for someone to set up an amateur chat room anyway--MIRC is an excellent
IRC chat client.)
5) There are free Web Hosting ISP's on which you can host data, files,
etc.--all you need to know is HTML markup language and an FTP client (ask
your kids/grandkids--they can set it up for you--if not, I will give some
assistance.)
6) Ebooks can be emailed and shared.
7) etc., etc., etc.
The only excuse of why not to is ignorance and lazyness...

Regards,
John

I'm sure all of the above exists, but it sounds like you are basically
for people working for free and not being compensated for their labor.
I'm about as damned-liberal as anybody on this group, but I believe
people who create intellectual property should be paid for it, and if
they want their kids and grandkids to benefit, so be it, and any
deadbeats outside the family who want to glom on to it for free, to
heck with 'em.

There are way too many folks who want free music, free film, free
books, free everything -- but if we stop compensating people who
create intellectual property, it will simply stop being created.


IP lawyers agree with you.

The open source software movement refutes you.

Actually, books published from approx. 1938 back will have expired
copyrights (before 1923 is just an absolute!)--there are ways to research
any certain-given work (a search of the internet will provide these, and the
library of congress provides some help itself with answers to email
questions)--and I would most certainly suggest doing this before releasing
any document as public domain...

This idea takes some getting used to--we all learn old wives tales which, if
we are not careful, replace fact with fiction in our combined knowledge...

However, there is another reason why many are not knowledgeable of the fact
knowledge itself was/is intentionally meant to, eventually, be placed within
the publics domain. This reason I tend to refer to as, "The Control Freak
Factor." A group of people who for one reason or another tend to attempt to
halt, make impossible, obfuscate, and hinder the attempts of others to
disperse knowledge and learning. Why they do this and what their motivation
is, is beyond my comprehension.

Perhaps the reason is as simple as--given they feel such little control over
their own lives they seek to control others...



Think about it, I believe you will realize you have seen this behavior
before--both here and elsewhere...



Regards,

John


--
I would like to point out, I do appreciate the "Been there--done that!"
posts. Indeed, now your observations, comments and discourse should be
filled with wisdom--I am listening!!!
"John Smith" wrote in message
...
To all:

It is my understanding that all gov't materials, since paid for by
taxpayers, are non-copyright.
Also, any material before 1923 would have expired copyrights and,
undoubtably, a significant amount of material will have been published
"public domain"; so, does anyone have a list of non-copyright materials
pertaining to antennas? Or, any ideas of how to obtain the information on
how to assemble one.
A website of non-copyright materials concerning antennas would be a great
asset to this community...

Regards,
John
--
I would like to point out, I do appreciate the "Been there--done that!"
posts. Indeed, now your observations, comments and discourse should be
filled with wisdom--I am listening!!!

John Smith wrote:


However, there is another reason why many are not knowledgeable of the fact
knowledge itself was/is intentionally meant to, eventually, be placed within
the publics domain. This reason I tend to refer to as, "The Control Freak
Factor." A group of people who for one reason or another tend to attempt to
halt, make impossible, obfuscate, and hinder the attempts of others to
disperse knowledge and learning. Why they do this and what their motivation
is, is beyond my comprehension.

Indeed. Try creating something of your own, and see how you feel about
somebody coming along and claiming the product of your effort for
themselves. If you can't comprehend that, then consider what it might
be like for someone to put your house in their name and then sell it.
If you can't get a feel for that, then imagine somebody coming along and
taking food our of your child's mouth because it's 'the people's food'
and everybody has a right to eat it.

ac6xg