Mike Coslo wrote:
Time is very real to us mortals, Cecil.

So is God (whether He exists in reality or not).
Question is: Did time exist before man? A year is
simply movement, once around the sun. I've been
here for about 40 billion miles around the sun. Is
that time or simply distance? Am I winding down
because of the years or simply, like my '96 pickup,
because of the miles?
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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp


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Cecil:

You surprise me, Einstein thought, eventually, one equation would be found,
probably about one-inch long--which would explain all...
You follow in his footsteps, you are adept at seeing relationships!!!!
grin

Regards,
John

John Smith wrote:
You surprise me, Einstein thought, eventually, one equation would be found,
probably about one-inch long--which would explain all...
You follow in his footsteps, you are adept at seeing relationships!!!!

If one just takes existence at face value, one lives closer
to that which actually exists. Time, like language, may
be just a human characteristic. Ever try to talk about
time without using time-sensitive words, e.g. the tenses
of verbs? :-)
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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp


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Cecil Moore wrote:

John Smith wrote:

You surprise me, Einstein thought, eventually, one equation would be
found, probably about one-inch long--which would explain all...
You follow in his footsteps, you are adept at seeing relationships!!!!


If one just takes existence at face value, one lives closer
to that which actually exists. Time, like language, may
be just a human characteristic.

A great mystery for sure. I think that the beginning-being-end of
things - as related to the experience of humanity - makes for a
necessary concept. That would be time.

At least in this existence, we have a finite appearance. So time is
very real. Here.


Ever try to talk about
time without using time-sensitive words, e.g. the tenses
of verbs? :-)

Verbs can make one very tense....

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote:
At least in this existence, we have a finite appearance. So time is
very real. Here.

How would your life change if time didn't really
exist and your calendar and clock simply marked
changes in degrees of rotation of the earth?
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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp


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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Mike Coslo wrote:
At least in this existence, we have a finite appearance. So time is
very real. Here.

How would your life change if time didn't really
exist and your calendar and clock simply marked
changes in degrees of rotation of the earth?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp


Can you define "changes" without reference to time?

Roger Conroy wrote:
Can you define "changes" without reference to time?

My dog cannot tell time but knows when to eat by the
changes in her feelings from not hungry to hungry. Time
is just an artifact of man's mental model of reality.
Before man emerged, living organisms got by on changes
alone with no reference to time.

That reminds me of something I caught my Dad on one time.
Daylight savings time had just arrived and we set our
clocks forward one hour thus losing one hour of sleep. I
said, "Pity the poor birds who have to wake up an hour
earlier and fly around in the dark." My Dad said, "Yeah,
poor birds, - - - hey, wait a minute!"
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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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Cecil Moore wrote:

Mike Coslo wrote:

At least in this existence, we have a finite appearance. So time is
very real. Here.


How would your life change if time didn't really
exist and your calendar and clock simply marked
changes in degrees of rotation of the earth?

How would they exist? Unless the observer were incredibly dense, it
would be noted that the stars or position of the sun, or whatever they
based their degree system on - would return to something that looked a
lot like an earlier state.

It is difficult to imagine how mortal, intelligent creatures would not
develop a concept of time. The concept (reality?) seems ingrained in
almost everything we do, say, or think.

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote:
It is difficult to imagine how mortal, intelligent creatures would
not develop a concept of time. The concept (reality?) seems ingrained in
almost everything we do, say, or think.

Yep, you can say the same thing about a concept of God or a
concept of a soul. But models of reality do not dictate reality.
It is supposed to be the other way around.
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73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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"Cecil Moore" asks -
Did time exist before man?

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Entirely insignificant mankind could not possibly have had any
influence on the course of the Universe.
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